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Current order for the 2019 NFL Draft
— Charlie Campbell (@DraftCampbell) December 4, 2018
1. 49ers
2. Raiders
3. Jets
4. Cardinals
5. Lions
6. Falcons
7. Giants
8. Bills
9. Jags
10. Packers
11. Browns
12. Bucs
13. Bengals
14. Dolphins
15. Colts
16. Redskins
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18. Titans
19. Broncos
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Niner fans think Green Bay is trying to "steal" the #1 pick by tanking
After what we saw last sunday I think there is a good possibility they lose out whether they tank it or not. At a minimum I think JAX and DET will win more games putting GB at #8. And let's not forget, it's not just the #08 pick, it's the 8th pick in every round. That just seems too good to be true after all these years. MUST make hay next May.
Hope they have a shot at this guy...
Looks like a lot of DL projected for top 10.
Oh absolutely there is a lot of DL projected that high. I can't rememer names but Clemson's DL should all go high and the DL from Bama as well.
OL with that first pick. Right side of the line in GB slides a little deeper into the abyss every week. Need a permanent long term solution for Bulaga.
Brainwashed Boris posted:
Niner fans think Green Bay is trying to "steal" the #1 pick by tanking
Yeah, I've lived in or near Whiner Xanadu for the better part of my life...I can vouch their delusion knows no end...
Really, no position is off the table save P or K. If Güberknöcken has a franchise QB fall to him, he has to pull the trigger. DL, DB, LB, OL, RB, TE, WR are all acceptable picks.
Tank? How could we tell?
We got a chance at getting as high as 4 thanks to the Cards game. I don't think it will happen, will probably end up at 14 or 15... (Insert the sad pony pic )
Pikes Peak posted:Tank? How could we tell?
Another positive: I won't have to stay up late the first night! 
Packiderm posted:Pikes Peak posted:Tank? How could we tell?
Another positive: I won't have to stay up late the first night!
You forgot about the Saints pick... Jokes on you!
GT will trade it for an extra pic in day 2
Packiderm posted:Pikes Peak posted:Tank? How could we tell?
Another positive: I won't have to stay up late the first night!
But don't you want to see the Vikings pic........ oh, wait, never mind.
PackerHawk posted:Packiderm posted:Pikes Peak posted:Tank? How could we tell?
Another positive: I won't have to stay up late the first night!
But don't you want to see the Vikings pic........ oh, wait, never mind.
I don't have that kind of time. In fact no one has.
Seeing some mocks with DE Josh Allen going to the Packers. Don't know if he'll be around when the Packers pick (currently sitting at 10), but he'd be an instant disruption the Packers haven't had in forever.
If they have a chance to get a top 5 pick by virtue of tanking then I say tank away. Not sure when they’ll be picking that high again so I would do everything possible to get as good of draft position as they can.
It would seem there are several really good defensive prospects (especially DL) that will be available in the top 10-12 range. I know they need OLB and OL and S but you team up another stud DL with Daniels and Clark and look out. We won’t need elite corners if you get a really good DL that can disrupt the OL and get to the QB.
Amazing how the importance of OL fails everyone until they watch the OL fail on game day. And it happens every week....
You cant win shit without a great OL. You have the ball. You can dictate what you want to do with it. At your discression. For 60 minutes. You own the defense if you have a great OL.
Stop this bullshit about more defensive players.
So your draft priorities would be?
1. OT?
2. OG?
3. Pass Rush?
If GB drafts the best 4 OL on the board, signs Landon Collins as a FA, and gets a coach that understands how to use a TE then this team wins 13 games every year for the next 5 years and 2 Lombardi Trophies.
This is not a complicated road map.
It's a pretty bad year for OTs IMO. The OG class looks stacked though. We could come out with 2 plug and play starters on Day 2 for sure. We might have to try and find a David Bahktiari early on Day 3 though, the top of this OT class is just weak.
it. is. time.
Grave Digger posted:It's a pretty bad year for OTs IMO. The OG class looks stacked though. We could come out with 2 plug and play starters on Day 2 for sure. We might have to try and find a David Bahktiari early on Day 3 though, the top of this OT class is just weak.
Totally shocked you’d post something like this. You’re normally far more protective of previous posts about $7 million bargains.
ChilliJon posted:If GB drafts the best 4 OL on the board, signs Landon Collins as a FA, and gets a coach that understands how to use a TE then this team wins 13 games every year for the next 5 years and 2 Lombardi Trophies.
This is not a complicated road map.
Collins has been very bad in coverage. No thanks.
Mike Francesa said send Rodgers home and let him heal, and get the best pick they can in the draft.
Last two posts are better than any response I may have come up with.
ChilliJon posted:Grave Digger posted:It's a pretty bad year for OTs IMO. The OG class looks stacked though. We could come out with 2 plug and play starters on Day 2 for sure. We might have to try and find a David Bahktiari early on Day 3 though, the top of this OT class is just weak.
Totally shocked you’d post something like this. You’re normally far more protective of previous posts about $7 million bargains.
Grave Digger posted:So your draft priorities would be?
1. OT?
2. OG?
3. Pass Rush?
To me all of those should be a priority and in no particular order. I would definately add TE and safety to that mix as well.
What would I like to see? I would go offensive line first and then defense often and frequently. They have to get help at LB, safety, and especially pass rush. I personally don't care in what order but I want playmakers for once on that defense.
We don't just need OL on offense. How many times have we seen AR hold the ball over :05 because nobody is open, even when he isn't being rushed or the OL is doing their job. That could be 50/50 stale routes/plays and lack of WR/TE talent. We are going to need a #2 WR and #1 TE.
I’ve checked out some mock drafts and I didn’t see many OT prospects listed in the top 15. Not to say some of those sources didn’t overlook the position, but it seems like a good draft year for elite DL near the top of the draft.
I completely agree the Packers need help at the OT positions - both as an eventual starter at RT if Bulaga isn’t back and also some depth behind Bahktari.
But if a stud DL or DE like Ed Oliver or Jeff Simmons is sitting there say at 10 and they are BPA I don’t think you can automatically pass on him. I think Daniels is entering the last year of his contract and who knows if he’s retained long term?
It’s not that different if they are picking at #12 and a stud CB like Greedy Williams is there. A position of strength today may not be the case a year from now.
Of course, Gute has also shown a willingness to go after FA so they can supplement the roster that way to fill in the holes but I totally support BPA in the draft.
Gutefink has done much better drafting than FAing.
Daniels isn't going anywhere but a crazy good Dline sure can help such a huge issue at OLB.
LT from Bama is the real deal...if he's there at 10, you gotta consider taking him. DL is very, very deep this draft...there will be guys at the end of round 1 (Saints pick) and 2nd and 3rd.
DH13 posted:We don't just need OL on offense. How many times have we seen AR hold the ball over :05 because nobody is open, even when he isn't being rushed or the OL is doing their job. That could be 50/50 stale routes/plays and lack of WR/TE talent. We are going to need a #2 WR and #1 TE.
Yeah, but how much of this is due to the scheme? Look what the Patriots did to the Packers without Gronkowski. They were far from stacked.
Also, supposing Cobb doesn't return, there is still Allison.
My inclination is that we would gain more by better protecting Rodgers from occurrences of a collapsing pocket than we would lose by Rodgers having no one to throw to. And we could lose less with respect to Rodgers having no one to throw to by an improvement in scheme.
But, I admit it. I am all in on the need to highly prioritize offensive line.
Finally, a better offensive line ought to lessen the chance Rodgers gets hurt.
Oh, one other thing. A better o-line also improves the running game.
And I also think an improved OL helps the defense as well. If you can run the ball better (assuming the new coach runs the ball) you milk the clock and that puts more pressure on the opponent and in turn makes them more one dimensional.
The Pats do well against all teams with out Gronk....this is posted Dec 2017
I don't want to minimize the importance of the OL. The Packers without a doubt need to replace the right side of the OL. They will have plenty of cap room to keep Bulaga. But you can't count on him as a starter anymore.
Having said that, if the Packers are sitting with a top 10 or lower pick, I just think they need a blue chip game changer. To me, that's either a pass rusher, a ball hawk safety, a shut down CB or a WR.
I think about guys like Von Miller, Khalil Mack, Aaron Donald, Earl Thomas, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Bradley Chubb, Bosa, etc. All top 1st round picks. The Packers may not be this high in the draft again for a long time. At least let's hope not.
It doesn't appear that OT is all that good a draft this year. I'd rather see the Packers get a sure fire talent at pass rusher or safety (think an Earl Thomas) that can change the face of a defense for GB.
I concur.
The Left OT position may be weak in this draft, but there are a fair number of guys playing OT that are projected to be better at Right Tackle or Guard. Those guys go towards the end of the 1st round and 2nd and 3rd rounds.
Drafting in the top of round one my preference is they take the best DL or OLB available. Then in the lower round 1 pick from the Saints, and the high 2nd round pick, OL and or DL/OLB (whichever they did not get in the higher first pick) or TE. In any order.
As of right now I'm really liking the TE, Noah Fant from Iowa for our lower 1st round pick from the Saints, and Right tackle in the second. We should be able to get a good guard in round 3 or with our 2 4ths. Safety help in the 3rd or 4th as well. Could also use another WR or CB in that area also.
I agree with that idea for the first couple days but we don't need any more day 3 WR's. We're flush with them. Unless there is some guy they love that they thought slipped that far.
If there is a sure thing, unicorn, LT when they pick in R1, do it. Then move BuckCherry to RT.
Gotta get a Pass Rusher and a OT in their first 3 picks. Premium draft positions and the Pack is in bad need. Sure would have been nice if Spriggs didn't suck.
yep. pass rusher is a premium position.
Rush the passer and stop the pass rusher.
Bak is still a pro bowl level LT. You leave him there and put a RD1 rook at RT. Then he can move over to LT when Bak starts fading.
Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida seen in top 10.
Cody Ford, G, Oklahoma mid RD1.
Greg Little, OT, Ole Miss in the late 20's which could turn into 30-32.
Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State slated as #1WR, also slipping to end of RD1.
Tons (probably literally) of DT and LBs to pick from all over the first day.
Everyone's favorite TE Noah Fant slated to mid RD2. Lots of OL in RD2.
DH13 posted:Rush the passer and stop the pass rusher.
Bak is still a pro bowl level LT. You leave him there and put a RD1 rook at RT. Then he can move over to LT when Bak starts fading.
I was suggesting only if there is a unicorn there.
Chongo posted:Really, no position is off the table save P or K. If Güberknöcken has a franchise QB fall to him, he has to pull the trigger. DL, DB, LB, OL, RB, TE, WR are all acceptable picks.
Not sure there is a franchise QB in this class. Next year it will be Tua.
It's tough sledding for QB's this year. Too many pressing needs to consider anyway. Gute seems more focused on the near future than long. Everyone likes to point at TT taking AR when he still had #4 but Farb had been contemplating retirement for several years before that fateful day in April. AR agreed to too much money to consider quitting and says he wants to play to 40. I don't see Gooch taking a QB high in the next 2-3 drafts.
Hungry5 posted:DH13 posted:Rush the passer and stop the pass rusher.
Bak is still a pro bowl level LT. You leave him there and put a RD1 rook at RT. Then he can move over to LT when Bak starts fading.
I was suggesting only if there is a unicorn there.
What color?
Grave Digger posted:Hope they have a shot at this guy...
GD I agree edge rusher is priority #1, I assume a case for CB, S RT,RG and TE in what ever order matches the board could be made, how do you see this unfolding?
I am also hoping a Tackle Gute likes is available at 30 or 40. I did not see every Wisconsin game this year but David Johnson looks in the Bak mold and I hope he does not have TT's phobia about local players. I watched a lot of tackles this year, I am nervous and Williams from Alabama, he might be a great guard but I just see Greg Robinson all over again. I watched Rodney Cajuste and he looks great drive blocking not so much pass blocking and Greg Little I don't know what to think. I could see Gute taking Noah Fant at 30 and hoping his tackle is there at 40?
The greatest depth of this draft is on the defensive side so three and four might be spent on promising DBs
They need to rebuild the OL. Maybe they can do part of that in FA, but it is priority number 1 in the draft. It is what they are left with after years of TT mess.
bullshit
We draft at least (LEAST!) 4 wide receivers or we are not ****ing GREEN BAY
OL all day.
El-Ka-Bong posted:bullshit
We draft at least (LEAST!) 4 wide receivers or we are not ****ing GREEN BAY
And a punter
I think there should be an interactive system that allows the fans to make the picks. Instant dynasty.
Pack88 posted:GD I agree edge rusher is priority #1, I assume a case for CB, S RT,RG and TE in what ever order matches the board could be made, how do you see this unfolding?
I don't think Edge HAS to be a priority. Pettine seems to be able to get by just fine without a premier pass rusher, as he was able to do with the NYJ. We just need more reliable players at OLB, guys who are strong against the run and can at least put pressure on the QB. Gilbert, CM and Perry have been liabilities against the run this year and just aren't pushing the pocket. Ferrell is an insane talent at End, we should take the BPA if we stay in the 10's and I'm hoping he's the guy.
Who knows how things could unfold, there are lots of areas of concern that Gute could address. I don't love the OT class, but the OG class looks deep. I think he will take the TT method and wait until Day 2 to address the OL probably grabbing an interior guy and then trying to find a couple more TJ Langs on Day 3. Hard to say how much Gute values TEs at this point, he didn't seem to like any last year.
IMO, Pettine's defense relies most heavily on CB and ILB. We made a good investment in CB last year, so I could see Gute waiting until Day 2 to snag another Josh Jackson-type. Depending on how things shake out with evaluations and how they finish and him targeting Bama ILB Mack Wilson somewhere in the teens.
I understand modern NFL defenses aren't pure 4-3 vs 3-4 these days but I wonder if the Packers won't switch to a 4-3 base D moving forward.
It made sense to be a 3-4 in CMIII and Raji's primes. We're long past that.
4-3 ends seem to be much easier to find. I think Kenny Clark is just so good he can play in either. Much like Cullen Jenkins did. Same with Lowry, who's becoming a pretty decent DE.
MM also highly preferred a 3-4. That's also no longer an issue
I think Pettine prefers a base 34 look, but it's that Buddy Ryan 46 defense in execution. If we stick with him I think that's going to be what we do going forward. There are players whose skills lend better to the 43...Daniels at 3-tech, KC at Nose, Lowry at LDE, Perry at RDE, Martinez at MLB, Burks at SLB, etc.
ChilliJon posted:Grave Digger posted:It's a pretty bad year for OTs IMO. The OG class looks stacked though. We could come out with 2 plug and play starters on Day 2 for sure. We might have to try and find a David Bahktiari early on Day 3 though, the top of this OT class is just weak.
Totally shocked you’d post something like this. You’re normally far more protective of previous posts about $7 million bargains.
GD I agree but I just don't see them double dipping on guards in 2and 3. It would depend on how the board falls I prefer PR (Allen on Ferrell) TE or OT and then find a replacement cb/s that can cover and tackle!! Should the board dictate otherwise I am good with a competent 2nd rd guard. Has anybody heard if Cole Madison has decided to come back next year!! I thought he was a great value pick last year
Packdog posted:Gotta get a Pass Rusher and a OT in their first 3 picks. Premium draft positions and the Pack is in bad need. Sure would have been nice if Spriggs didn't suck.
I disagree. Pass rusher is a definite need, but I think this looks like a good draft for OTs and OGs in the mid rounds vs. early. With that extra #1, waiting until the third for a guy like Yodny Cajuste might be the best bet at RT, While a Michael Deiter or Max Sharping at guard in Round 4.
Hungry5 posted:If there is a sure thing, unicorn, LT when they pick in R1, do it. Then move BuckCherry to RT.
Why would you move one of the best LT's in the game to a less important position?
You want your best 5 out there.
Would Bulaga be able to move to guard?
Grave Digger posted:Pettine seems to be able to get by just fine without a premier pass rusher,
BrainDed posted:Hungry5 posted:If there is a sure thing, unicorn, LT when they pick in R1, do it. Then move BuckCherry to RT.
Why would you move one of the best LT's in the game to a less important position?
It's like wiping your ass with the other hand...
Signed,
Josh Sitton
Which I am going to have to do for a few days because I am having carpel tunnel surgery on my right hand Monday.
Good luck
El-Ka-Bong posted:Grave Digger posted:Pettine seems to be able to get by just fine without a premier pass rusher,
You mean Fackrell isn't a premier pass rusher?
ammo posted:Which I am going to have to do for a few days because I am having carpel tunnel surgery on my right hand Monday.
Are you having the new carpal tunnel thread release procedure ? Have seen a few of them and patients do reall well.
Packdog posted:ammo posted:Which I am going to have to do for a few days because I am having carpel tunnel surgery on my right hand Monday.
Are you having the new carpal tunnel thread release procedure ? Have seen a few of them and patients do reall well.
Ammo look at the bright side if Willaim Andrews does the surgery and something goes wrong you can sue him for 180 million (like Sheldon Richardson) and then you will be able tohire a lot of Viking fans to do it for you
ammo posted:Which I am going to have to do for a few days because I am having carpel tunnel surgery on my right hand Monday.
Are you certain you have carpal tunnel syndrome? If you have any doubts, get a blood test for hypothyroidism. Hypothyroidism mimics carpal tunnel syndrome. I was at my Dentist's office talking to the hygienist about my upcoming surgical procedure for carpal tunnel when she told me about the hypothyroidism thing. I had a blood test and it confirmed hypothyroidism. I was able to cancel the carpal tunnel surgery after the medication, Synthroid, or it's generic equivalent, Levothyroxine, got my thyroid gland back in working order. Saved an unnecessary surgery.
We need to fix our O Line. We need to draft a RT and a RG or draft one of those positions and find the other in FA. Then we can go after a pass rusher. We need a pass rusher as we cannot count on Nick Perry being able to stay on the field. Matthews is disruptive on the line but has trouble getting to the QB, it seems. Fackrell has shown some pass rush abilities this season, but he is #3 on the depth chart. Depending on how things fall to Gute in the draft, I say OT/OG then pass rusher and then get a back up player for OT/ OG. Then go after a TE, D Line player for depth, Safety or another CB.
El-Ka-Bong posted:Grave Digger posted:Pettine seems to be able to get by just fine without a premier pass rusher,
I wouldn’t eat that, looks gross. Did Dom Capers make that for you?
OL is certainly a priority. Both lines are. Pass rush and protect Rodgers.
mrtundra posted:ammo posted:Which I am going to have to do for a few days because I am having carpel tunnel surgery on my right hand Monday.
Are you certain you have carpal tunnel syndrome? If you have any doubts, get a blood test for hypothyroidism. Hypothyroidism mimics carpal tunnel syndrome. I was at my Dentist's office talking to the hygienist about my upcoming surgical procedure for carpal tunnel when she told me about the hypothyroidism thing. I had a blood test and it confirmed hypothyroidism. I was able to cancel the carpal tunnel surgery after the medication, Synthroid, or it's generic equivalent, Levothyroxine, got my thyroid gland back in working order. Saved an unnecessary surgery.
Yep. Had the shock test about 2 months ago. Absolutely carpel tunnel. No issues with left hand, only the right one.
ammo posted:No issues with left hand, only the right one.
Well...I had the same issues as a teenager.
I knew this was going to be posted by some one once I hit post reply.
I hate being that guy! Good luck with the surgery.
Thanks all for the well wishes. Surgery was uneventful and should make a quick recovery. Some pain right now, but is tolerable. Sure is tough doing everything one handed, especially when right handed and that is the one operated on.
Hey ammo.....wish you only the best in your recovery, may it be fast and no problems. 
Best wishes Ammo. Glad the surgery went well.
Ammo, our friends to the south made a delicious remedy for your pain.
Take care, Ammo!
Vicodin & Jack = no pain.
Glad everything went well Ammo
ammo posted:Thanks all for the well wishes. Surgery was uneventful and should make a quick recovery. Some pain right now, but is tolerable. Sure is tough doing everything one handed, especially when right handed and that is the one operated on.
Hire some help.
Speedy recovery!
DH13 posted:ammo posted:No issues with left hand, only the right one.
Well...I had the same issues as a teenager.
Time to invest in a fleshlight.
Get well, Ammo!
How many times do you have to stick your arm inside a cow the exact same way to get carpal tunnel? 
had this before Sunday's game for the first time. I loved it! Your experience may vary. 
Hope you're getting healed up Ammo! I had to get a cortisone shot in both wrists earlier this year for inflammation. Worked pretty well for a while, but I just need to take better care of them.
I just noticed that Herb Adderley's cousin Nasir Adderley (Delaware) is in the draft this year and actually looks pretty good. If he runs well (estimated in the 4.5's) he could be a nice pick in R2 or R3, definitely has ball skills. Gotta get this kid in GB for the family connection alone.
I saw that posted elsewhere. Think it was Fennel.
But yeah, fans would go nuts to see that name on the back of a Packers jersey again.
Quit double dipping.
Is that when you need 2 hands?
It takes 2 hands to handle the whopper
Reading that article on Gurgleurps made me think of one thing. That 4th rounder for HaHa could turn into a legit Olineman. Completely worth it.
Henry posted:Reading that article on Gurgleurps made me think of one thing. That 4th rounder for HaHa could turn into a legit Olineman. Completely worth it.
True - Like Buck 🍒 or....
A D-Lineman. Like Mike Daniels.
Gems everywhere.
