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Grave Digger posted:

Good information on Jonah Williams from Tony Pauline:

http://draftanalyst.com/shrine-game-notes-monday

- I never graded Alabama offensive lineman Jonah Williams as a top-10 selection and have said so publically. In fact, I project him at guard in the NFL rather than left tackle. Williams is superb fundamentally but lacks the athleticism, agility and footwork to stay at left tackle on Sundays. Since the national title game, I’ve spoken with at least a dozen insiders and scouts to see if I was off base, yet they all agreed with me. The earliest grade I’ve received on him is the mid-first round, while some project him as a second-round selection. Everyone I’ve spoken with projects Williams to guard at the next level.

As I have said, he reminds me of Mike Wahle. I think he can be a terrific Guard. IMO he's not a LT in the NFL.

YATittle posted:

Yeah, but not at 12. If he's there with the Saints pick.... maybe. JMHO

 Even though GB needs O Line help, I'd reserve the 12 pick for C. Ferrell, if he falls that far.

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I guess I'm not seeing the Mike Wahle comparisons. I always thought Wahle's speed was the issue on the edge, but he was a strong/mean SOB. I get more of a Mike Flanagan vibe from Jonah Williams (since we're talking 2000's Packer OL). Flanny was the same kind of intelligent technician who wasn't overly strong or athletic, but he could get the job done.

mrtundra posted:
YATittle posted:

Yeah, but not at 12. If he's there with the Saints pick.... maybe. JMHO

 Even though need O Line help, I'd reserve the 12 pick for C. Ferrell, if he falls that far.

Best. Player. Available. regardless of position.

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Brainwashed Boris posted:
mrtundra posted:
YATittle posted:

Yeah, but not at 12. If he's there with the Saints pick.... maybe. JMHO

 Even though need O Line help, I'd reserve the 12 pick for C. Ferrell, if he falls that far.

Best. Player. Available. regardless of position.

 

Exactly. In the last 20 years the Packers have caused themselves major problems by overdrafting for need twice. All the wasted high picks on DBs since 2014 likely prevented them from taking the BPA at other positions.

The other time was the 1999 draft when Ron Wolf decided they needed someone to cover Randy Moss and picked DBs 1-2-3 that year (Antuan Edwards, Fred Vinson, and Mike McKenzie). Edwards was a bust. McKenzie was decent, and Vinson was a bust (but Wolf redeemed himself by flipping him for Ahman Green).

Just for perspective, here's a mock draft from 2005 that was based on the Packers picking for need. Another one mentions Marlon Jackson from Michigan because they were so weak at DB. We drafted a guy that didn't play for 3 years instead.

24. Green Bay Packers - David Pollack, DE, Georgia

Even if the Packers match Minnesota's offer on restricted free agent Aaron Kampman, it would be only a one-year deal. And in this DE-strong class, it would be wise to add a DE who can be ready to become a starter when Kampman leaves as a free agent after 2005. I mean, if the Packers are having to give this a great deal of thought now, just wait until he hits the open market.

Meanwhile, Pollack is a guy who, when he's on his game, can be one of the best. If Carlos Rogers does slide as I predict, don't be surprised if the Packers also try to get in on trading up to obtain him.

 

michiganjoe posted:

Nate Davis USA Today Mock

He's got the Packers taking an Alabama safety at #12 and Fant from Iowa with the pick from the Saints.

I'd take Iowa TE T.J. Hockenson before Fant. Reminds me of a Whitten type of TE. Kid has great hands, knows how to find holes in the D to get open and he's a better athlete than you think. I don't recall him ever being hurt either. Not quite as fast as Fant but that's about the only drawback. 

I have always been the one on here that argues against the BPA approach.  Not entirely against it and I am not totally on board with drafting for need either.  I think you need to be flexible somewhere in between.

I think if you have two players on your board that are almost equally ranked I think then you take something you need.  For instance we can all agree OL, edge rusher/LB, and safety are our biggest needs.  As an example to me it would be foolish to take a QB in that spot. 

But that's typically how it's done for any team.  There are usually a "group" of players that rate similarly at a given pick.  The GM will lean toward need or simply go with his gut.  Or gute.

I don't think you'll find any GM that simply sticks to "BPA" without exception.  I would also imagine that "best" is rarely clear cut.

AR was an anomaly in that GB had him ranked way higher than where he fell to.  He was a clear cut BPA.  And who knows what the thinking was with TT at the time regarding Favre and his constant retirement talk.

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RatPack posted:

If there is a qb in the draft that you are certain is the next Mahomes I would be heart broken if Murphy didn't do everything in his power to get him, including trading up in R1

Okay Gute.  But be honest who really calls the plays?

FTFY

I've been wondering about an undersized speed toy also. Green Bay has generally stuck with good-sized receivers, backs and corners but might this be a new era in a copycat league with the Cooks/Hill/Cohen-type players making a difference. 

Herschel posted:

I've been wondering about an undersized speed toy also. Green Bay has generally stuck with good-sized receivers, backs and corners but might this be a new era in a copycat league with the Cooks/Hill/Cohen-type players making a difference. 

Same here.  Watching playoff games this year I think of Sproles in his prime, Cohen, and HIll and wish the Packers could find a weapon like those guys.  Blinding speed and can score from anywhere in the field.  

I'm thinking GB takes an edge rusher with their first R1 pick.  Ferrell would be my guy if he's there.  If not, I think Polite will be there.  With the second R1 pick, I'd like to find a OL but a TE makes sense if one is there.  Gotta have at least one OL by the end of R3.  

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Imagine what a guy like Jerry Rice could do in today's NFL.

He played at a time when DBs were allowed to take your head off with impunity.

The NFL's Top 100 series includes Dick Night Train Lane at #30 all time.  His "impunity" caused I think it was three rule changes.  He close to literally took player's heads off.

Interesting bit of trivia.  He was the player Lombardi especially was concerned about in the book Run to Daylight which does not disclose the opponent, but it was the Lions in 1962.

Later there was the Mel Blount rule.  He removed receivers from entire games.

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michiganjoe posted:

Two mocks out today (Kiper and this one) have the Packers taking Ferrell at #12.

There you go.  Ferrell and Fant would be fantastic in R1.  I'd also resign Clay and stick his ass at MLB next to Martinez.  

Keep in mind there are a handful of guys we've probably not even heard of that as Helmet Hair and McShart hear about from people who actually know what they are doing, will start to creep up the charts, guys will get pushed down, guys we thought were sure fire first rounders at one point will fall.

Friend of mine who is an NFL scout has told me "No one needs help figuring out the top 4-5 guys...the real work is to figure out everyone else.

pkr_north posted:
michiganjoe posted:

Two mocks out today (Kiper and this one) have the Packers taking Ferrell at #12.

will literally do a kartwheel if that becomes fact.  guy is legit.

 

I always wonder about these mocks. Are they actually based on BPA or are they more of a somebody thinks is a need pick? 

why wonder at all, they are guesses to pass the time.  

I'm well over 90% accurate with my picks for the last 7 years through the 3rd round, just subscribe to my blog

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