Official 2019 Draft Thread

skully posted:
sschumer - Packer Fan HoF'r posted:

YATITTLE, try again?  Can someone else here try?  Link works for me.

works for me, SSCHUMER

12 Packers:  inside linebacker Devon White,  LSU

30 Packers:  safety,  Johnathan Abrams, Mississippi State

Link works.  

Jon Abrams would be really disappointing. Box safety with poor ball skills and poor deep range. Packers need a Free Safety !!!

FLPACKER posted:
Chongo posted:
. You can get plenty of All Pro caliber OG in rounds 4-7. 

Really? In the past 6 years the all-pro guards and where they were drafted is as follows:

First round - 7

Second round - 3

Third Round - 1

UDFA - 1

   IMHO there are 4 guards who could be starters as rookies: Bradbury, Lindstrom, Risner, Ford. All will likely be gone by the time we draft in the third round. 

I think you could put Erik McCoy in that list too.

What if Oakland comes calling with #24 and #27, then Denver to get a QB at #30? That would likely mean all the elite prospect front seven guys are gone and is a lot further back than #12, but it would be two picks in each of the first four rounds. 

That could leave them with something like:

24: TJ Hockenson TE (I don't buy the top-20 TE smokescreen)

27: Nasir Adderly S

41. Deebo Samuel WR

44. JoeJuan Williams CB

71. Michael Deiter OG

75. Josh Oliver TE

114. Lukas Denis S

118. Dru Samia OG

150. Chuma Edoga OT

185. Greg Dortch WR

194. Marvell Tell II S

226. Andrew Van Ginkel OLB

Depth and talent at TE, speed at WR, the guard tandem for the next number of years, four DBs with cover skills, two with length and a swing tackle who isn't Jason Spriggs. 

However, no top-tier front-seven defenders in a draft strong in them would seem kind of disappointing, no? 

FLPACKER posted:
Chongo posted:
. You can get plenty of All Pro caliber OG in rounds 4-7. 

Really? In the past 6 years the all-pro guards and where they were drafted is as follows:

First round - 7

Second round - 3

Third Round - 1

UDFA - 1

   IMHO there are 4 guards who could be starters as rookies: Bradbury, Lindstrom, Risner, Ford. All will likely be gone by the time we draft in the third round. 

I disagree. I think OG is deep this year, it's OT that's thin. Guys like Deiter, Benzschawel, Samia, Powers, Sharping, Davis, etc. all look like guys with a chance to start right away, as well as a few OTs who could start inside early, like McGary. 

I'm not sure there's a Day one starter at LT I'd be overly comfortable with in this draft. Maybe Dillard or Jonah Williams, but I I think it's a bit iffy.

There were 7 o-lineman (C, G, T) that were starters early in their rookie year last season.ALL of them were drafted before the 4th round. A number others started due to injury as the season progressed. So it is rare ( 7 out of 160 spots) for a rookie o-lineman to come right in and beat out a veteran , especially if they are not a fairly high draft choice.  

FLPACKER posted:

There were 7 o-lineman (C, G, T) that were starters early in their rookie year last season.ALL of them were drafted before the 4th round. A number others started due to injury as the season progressed. So it is rare ( 7 out of 160 spots) for a rookie o-lineman to come right in and beat out a veteran , especially if they are not a fairly high draft choice.  

The higher the pick, the better the chance to start is pretty much it for every position. That said, last year was incredibly weak for offensive linemen. Nelson, Hernandez and Daniels were good. Kolton Miller was overdrafted but decent, Corbett, O'Neill and Connor Williams and Isaiah Wynn (who missed all year with a knee injury) were the only other solid prospects.

Boris posted:
The Heckler posted:

If I was the Cardinals I take Bosa and don't even think twice about it.  

Thank God you're not the Cardinals. 

I'm hoping 3 QBs go before #12 (at least 2, hopefully)

@Grave Digger - nailed it. Keim isn't lasting much more than 2 years....of course this is the Cardinals ownership we're talking about. So who knows...

Might be to our benefit if one of the top QB's is still there, trade possibilities open up better.

Herschel posted:
FLPACKER posted:

There were 7 o-lineman (C, G, T) that were starters early in their rookie year last season.ALL of them were drafted before the 4th round. A number others started due to injury as the season progressed. So it is rare ( 7 out of 160 spots) for a rookie o-lineman to come right in and beat out a veteran , especially if they are not a fairly high draft choice.  

The higher the pick, the better the chance to start is pretty much it for every position. That said, last year was incredibly weak for offensive linemen. Nelson, Hernandez and Daniels were good. Kolton Miller was overdrafted but decent, Corbett, O'Neill and Connor Williams and Isaiah Wynn (who missed all year with a knee injury) were the only other solid prospects.

2017 was worse, only 4 rookie o-lineman were starting by mid-season. 

Re: The "need" for a slot receiver. 

There is a really good chance that guy is already on the roster. The way that MLF, McVay and others in their circle use the slot doesn't really follow the NE Patriot model of the short quick white guy. 

In San Fran the slot receiver for the most part was George Kittle. 6-4, 247 lbs.

Rams used Cooper Kupp, 6-2, 208 lbs.

MLF used Corey Davis in TN, 6-2, 209 lbs.

ESB might be our long term answer as the slot receiver. Davonte was our best slot receiver last year but he's too good outside to be a full time slot guy. Jimmy Graham or a TE we pick up in the draft could be combined with ESB for slot duties. MLF loves him some TE. 

I for one never said the slot guy needs to be little.  Slots take a beating. They get the ball in traffic in the middle of the field and get lots of touches, with no sideline to help them from getting whacked every time they touch the ball.  It's why Cobb was hurt so much.  

They need to be tough ****ers.  I love St. Brown, and was actually looking at him before the draft last year and thought he should have gone at least 2 rounds higher, but he looks better suited for the outside.  Same with MVS.

Kumerow could be the answer at slot, switching it up with DA, or like you say, the TE.

That was for the people looking at the 5-8, 175ish receivers as our future slot guy. It just doesn't follow the mold of the offense we have now. These guys are all 6-2ish and over 200 lbs. Gotta stop looking at the NE mold slot receiver. Those days are gone and it is definitely a big reason why Cobb is done in Green Bay. Adams and Allison are definitely 2 of our outside WR's. MVS is likely another one. If ESB is going to have a big role in this offense in 2019 it's going to be the slot. There's going to be a lot less 4 wide looks in MLF's offense. 

I see no reason why he couldn't work there in this offense. He showed good ability to run routes and find separation and really good RAC ability. That's what we need in the slot and his size is going to give him that big catch radius that you need there.  

It's nice to have that shifty slot guy because he has more room to work inside and out and it makes it tough to cover him. When you have size guys and shifty guys it stresses coverages because the skill sets needed by D-Backs are different. It also gives you better options on bubble screens, jet sweeps, etc. where shiftiness and suddeness are key vs. straight long-strider speed. 

Plus, Deebo is built more like a RB who has more durability than regular smurfs. 

I swear Herschel is going to will him onto this team!

I can’t really say I disapprove. He does look  rock-solid for the slot.  

E.Q. can do it too, I just don’t want him to get hurt. Those long legs of his look like targets and his center of gravity is high.

But WTH do I know. It could be I just worry too much. 

YATittle posted:

Bucky Brooks? I've never seen one of these "mock drafts" come true. Just White Noise.

I ran a Draft Network auto pick for the Packers. Draft Network auto picked 3 RBs with our last three picks of this draft. RB was not even listed as a need for the Packers by Draft Network. White noise is right, YA.

There are a few guys in this draft that can play two or three positions along the OL.  Guys like Connor McGovern, Ross Piersbacher, Chris Lindstrom, Cody Ford or  Dalton Risner could fill holes on the Packers OL very well. McGovern and Piersbacher could be around in the 3rd-4th Rounds, too.

Garrett Bradbury is, IMO, the best OL in the draft. He's the most likely OL to end up in GB because NCSU uses a ZBS, he fits the need and he fits the versatility mold. Only reason I don't think they would draft him is 1) the investment they just made in Turner to be the solution at RG and 2) Bradbury is versatile, but he's not a guy who could/would slide in at RT long term. He's more of a rich man's TJ Lang. He had a strong showing against Clemson's DL. I've seen comps to Joel Bitonio also. 

I think GB is in prime position at 12 to drop back again and still get some impact players. After the combine and some pro days plus some of the blockbuster trades/signings we have a better sense of what players are looking more realistic for what ranges and what positions that teams will likely be emphasizing. I look at NYG specifically as a prime candidate to jump up to 12 now that they have ammo with pick 17. They could easily pick the best defensive player available early and then look to add a QB in the teens by leapfrogging the QB needy Dolphins/Redskins. GB would get some better value at 17 than 12. Here's how I would see the BPA's shaking out for us in that scenario:

(GB trades 12 & 75 to NYG for 17 & 37 - NYG moves up for QB Dwayne Haskins)

Round 1 (Pick 17 From NYG): TJ Hockensen/TE/Iowa
*Complete TE as a receiver and blocker with elite upside, perfect fit for this offense
Round 1 (Pick 30): Garrett Bradbury/OL/North Carolina St.
*Aggressive and athletic OL with versatility and ZBS experience, going to be a 10+ year starter in the interior
Round 2 (Pick 37 From NYG): Terry McLaurin/WR/Ohio St.
*Fast (4.35), great route runner, move Adams/Kumerow in Slot with young guys outside
Round 2 (Pick 44): Darnell Savage/S/Maryland
*Fast (4.35), very aggressive with great instincts and great range to patrol deep, good complement for Amos who is better playing closer to the line

I know they are forecasting Bradbury as a IOL , but he's mainly a Center, no ? 

Dude is a heck of an athlete for 305 lbs. You won't see many OL get out in front on a reach block as quickly as he does it. I'm sure Carolina and Minnesota who both need a Center are drooling over him. 

Looks like JSO has been lurking Timesfour for content again, LOL.  From this morning's "Morning Buzz" column:

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Among the topics was how Gutekunst foresees replacing departed slot receiver Randall Cobb. Gutekunst replied that bigger could be better, in this case.

Pete writes:

"I think generally smaller guys have a harder time staying healthy than bigger guys," Gutekunst said. "There’s always exceptions. I think, first of all, we look for guys who can do what we ask them to do. Secondly, you look at the medical part of it and if they can hold up.” ...

Bigger slot receivers also fit with Gutekunst’s preference for big receivers overall. In last year’s draft he selected 6-5 Equanimeous St. Brown, 6-4 Marquez Valdes-Scantling and 6-3 J’Mon Moore.

“The ones that we’ve acquired lately are really fast, too, so that’s helpful,” Gutekunst said. “This is a big man’s game, always has been. Length is important. I don’t think it’s something we’re specifically just targeting. It’s about whether you can play the game. But it kind of just fell the way it fell last year."

The best offensive lineman in this draft is Jawaan Taylor. You draft him and he's your starting tackle for 10 years. Dillard will be an instant starter and for a long time as well. OT isn't a bad group this year. Even Edwards from Wisc if he is finally healthy might be a steal if you get him late enough.

AtTheMurph posted:

The best offensive lineman in this draft is Jawaan Taylor. You draft him and he's your starting tackle for 10 years. Dillard will be an instant starter and for a long time as well. OT isn't a bad group this year. Even Edwards from Wisc if he is finally healthy might be a steal if you get him late enough.

Most mocks have Taylor going to Jacksonville at 7.

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