AtTheMurph posted:
Henry posted:

Disagree only for the reason that travel is probably way down, which means scouts aren't out in full force.  I think it forces more teams to go with a Cleveland money ball approach, which we all know has worked out really well.

I was talking to a friend of mine who is a VP for the Colts about the draft problems. He said that travel and pro days, etc don't really mean much. The team has had it's draft board mostly done since last fall and only makes small changes to it between the end of the season and draft day.

And the changes are mostly due to character or medical issues that were unknown. But most of them are known. 

So the Combine is more tampering, subterfuge dog and pony show?

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Grave Digger posted:
Packmeister posted:
Grave Digger posted If guys like Reagor and Jefferson are not available at 30, take TB, solidify the interior OL and don't worry about it. Let Turner and Wagner fight for RT. 

Digger...I don't think the Pack will have him that high on their board...if they want a guard- type, they seem to like former tackles, or guys with prototype measureables for the position.

They won't draft a center just to back up Linsley, unless they feel they could win with either at guard. I don't see it.

They took Elgton Jenkins at 44, he was thought to be basically a Guard or Center only. Biadasz is a better prospect than Jenkins IMO. I think they would draft him to play RG.

I think they're looking at Turner and Wagner at RT because 1) they kept and paid Lane Taylor, you don't pay your backup OG $5.5M when you're your LG is rock solid and your RG is making $8.1M, and 2) both Turner and Wagner's deals are basically on 1 year deals at this point. They structured both so that either could be easily cut after this season with negligible dead money. So I think, which is wild speculation, they're looking at 1) letting Turner/Wagner compete and be bandaids at RT 2) inserting Lane Taylor at RG if Turner locks down the job and does well 3) drafting a RG replacement since Taylor is in a contract year.

Linsley is in also contract year, so if they draft a C/G prospect like Biadasz then they will feel comfortable letting Linsley walk. 

Put in that perspective, it does make a lot of sense.

Henry posted:
AtTheMurph posted:
Henry posted:

Disagree only for the reason that travel is probably way down, which means scouts aren't out in full force.  I think it forces more teams to go with a Cleveland money ball approach, which we all know has worked out really well.

I was talking to a friend of mine who is a VP for the Colts about the draft problems. He said that travel and pro days, etc don't really mean much. The team has had it's draft board mostly done since last fall and only makes small changes to it between the end of the season and draft day.

And the changes are mostly due to character or medical issues that were unknown. But most of them are known. 

So the Combine is more tampering, subterfuge dog and pony show?

We talked about the combine. It's held in Indy. His take was that the Colts scouts don't value it that much because it's guys running around shorts. Some guys it makes a difference because they played at small schools against inferior competition but even then the scouts know what they are doing. So not really a big deal.

They do like to interview however.

Fiend belongs to the same country club and we just traveled together to Jamaica to golf for a week in Feb. I golfed with him on Fri afternoon and we had a chance to talk about it. He's on the financial side so take everything with a grain of salt.

He did sort of telegraph the Luck retirement last summer but never gave it all away, so he knows things.

AtTheMurph posted:
Henry posted:

Disagree only for the reason that travel is probably way down, which means scouts aren't out in full force.  I think it forces more teams to go with a Cleveland money ball approach, which we all know has worked out really well.

I was talking to a friend of mine who is a VP for the Colts about the draft problems. He said that travel and pro days, etc don't really mean much. The team has had it's draft board mostly done since last fall and only makes small changes to it between the end of the season and draft day.

And the changes are mostly due to character or medical issues that were unknown. But most of them are known. 

I buy that. It's why I think online draftniks overthinking themselves on players like Biadasz is kind of funny. Immediately after bowls and before the Combine there wasn't anyone who DIDN'T have TB as a late 1st rounder. His play speaks for itself. But we don't have any "workout" numbers, as if the 40 and 3cone are essential to know how good an OL will be, so he gets ignored or downgraded? 

I've seen people talking about how the medicals at the combine are truly what teams are there for. I think it's also why we hear so many outlandish stories of teams asking unusual or confrontational questions in combine interviews. I imagine they've heard something in research and want to try and push players out of their media/interview coaching. 

The Bengals are apparently set on their quarterback, and Washington’s sending signals that Chase Young could be the second pick.

That means the third spot is suddenly the interesting one, and don’t the Lions know it.

According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, the Lions have β€œhad discussions with teams about potentially moving back,” and that there seems to be some interest.

The market for quarterbacks should dictate that they have a scarce commodity, and anyone wanting to get their hands on Tua Tagovailoa or Justin Herbert (or anyone, really), should be calling Detroit.

It doesn’t hurt for the Lions to put the β€œFor Sale” sign out two weeks ahead of the draft, giving them plenty of time to gauge the value of the pick as opposed to taking a player for themselves there.

This is that β€œBig Slot” role which is becoming more popular and is truly the landing spot for guys like Chase Claypool and Allen Lazard. Not an in-line TE like Gronk, not an HBack like Cooley, not a receiver though. There’s a place and a role for these guys in the NFL and it’s bullying CBs and running past LBs.

My new favorite simulator: fanspeak.com  look at all these assets available at 30

16 EDGE  A.J. EPENESA - IOWA
17 S  XAVIER MCKINNEY - ALABAMA
24 RB  JONATHAN TAYLOR - WISCONSIN
25 LB  KENNETH MURRAY - OKLAHOMA
27 DL  NEVILLE GALLIMORE - OKLAHOMA
28 CB  TREVON DIGGS - ALABAMA
29 DL  ROSS BLACKLOCK - TCU
35 LB  ZACK BAUN - WISCONSIN
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so I only went 3 rounds 
1. Kenneth Murry  ILB                                                                                                        2. Ezra Cleveland  OT                                                                                                         3. Devin Duvernay  WR
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My mock draft of the week. I used Fanspeak, with the consensus board from Fanspeak. I wanted to focus early on offense, so you may not like some of these picks, but not being able to move around the board with trades ties your hands, somewhat. I'm still fairly pleased with the way it turned out. If you have any questions on who I took, or who I passed on at a certain spot, I have the draft saved.

 

30: R1P30
WR DENZEL MIMS
BAYLOR
 
62: R2P30
ROBERT HUNT - he can be groomed to eventually start at RT, but for now, he's a plus at RG.
LOUISIANA
 
94: R3P30 
LB LOGAN WILSON
WYOMING
 
136: R4P30
RB ANTONIO GIBSON - he may be raw, but he's a weapon
MEMPHIS
 
175: R5P29 
TE DALTON KEENE
VIRGINIA TECH
 
192: R6P13
TANNER MUSE
CLEMSON
 
208: R6P29
DL JOHN PENISINI
UTAH
 
209: R6P30 
CB JOHN REID
PENN ST.
 
236: R7P22
EDGE BRYCE STERK
MONTANA ST.
 
242: R7P28 
QB JAKE LUTON
OREGON ST.

 

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I’m seeing talk that Texas Tech ILB Jordyn Brooks is more well thought of by DC’s and personnel folks than online draft folks. It’s a little surprising because of his injury history and the fact that he hasn’t done much in the way of workouts this offseason. Saw some talk he might be a late R1 player, I can’t imagine that. I had him pegged as a solid R3 player, but it’s not crazy think he could be a R2 pick.