@YATittle posted:What do the draft experts on this board think about the Notre Dame LB?
I'd rather we go CB or OL in round 1...as good as he may be, the corners are going to go fast in this draft.
@YATittle posted:What do the draft experts on this board think about the Notre Dame LB?
He seems like he will be really good. Flies around like a missile and covers like a Safety. I think his big drawback is that he's built more like a big Safety and might not hold up to the rigors of full time NFL LB. Between that and the fact that they don't seem to put a premium on ILB will make them pass on him...in reality I don't think they will have that choice, I think someone takes him earlier.
I looked at the "consensus" top 50 among the media and tried to narrow down the parameters that match all of Gute's R1 picks (<22, 8.35+ RAS) while excluding non-premium position and positions where they have recently invested a lot of capital (QB, RB). To me there are 17 surefire first rounders that will be gone. I see 6 other likely solid first rounders who are likely gone and none of them are within GB's "parameters" that would make me think we would trade up into the late teens/early 20's for them. Here are the scenarios and the players I see us potentially targeting:
Trade up (~23-28)
1. Greg Newsome/CB/Northwestern (20 years old, 9.66 RAS)
2. Terrace Marshall/WR/LSU (20 years old, 9.77 RAS)
Stay at 29
1. Jayson Oweh/Edge/Penn St. (21 years old, 9.49 RAS)
2. Joe Tryon/Edge/Washington (21 years old, 9.29 RAS)
Trade Down (~33-40)
1. Jevon Holland/DB/Oregon (21 years old, 9.54 RAS)
2. Creed Humphrey/OL/Oklahoma (21 years old, 10 RAS)
3. Elijah Moore/WR/Ole Miss (21 years old, 8.68 RAS)
There are a lot of players who are young, but don't have the high RAS or the opposite is true. Guys who will be at 29 like Bama OT Alex Leatherwood and Texas OT Sam Cosmi are 22+ years old, but compare well to their peers athletically. Same is true of potentially solid R2 players we could trade down for like NDSU OT Radunz or Florida WR Toney. I'm not saying the RAS score is an indicator or the complete picture, but age and RAS are data points that seem to have emerged as a pattern for Gute. That's not to say Gute literally looks at RAS scores, but they seem to be matching up. If I had to really nail down a guess on the first pick, I would say either Newsome or Oweh are Packers on Day 1 or Humphrey would be the guy when Day 2 rolls around.
@Packmeister posted:I love it...the Bears reach for a 4th round QB...😆
Make it so.
Meanwhile, the interviewees were able to gauge their willingness to play for Sirianni.
Wonder how many of them had their agents draft a letter to the Iggles FO asking them not to draft their client.
Another sim, PFN365 has one, as well, and I just basically went with best player available each pick.
29. Joseph Ossai Edge TX - Okay, pass rush is good, Preston is on a one-year deal and Z 's cap hit is $28 million next season and may be very expensive come 2023.
62. Jevon Holland DB Oregon - Safety who can play man on receivers and allow flexibility/depth with Savage? Yeah, I'm cool with that.
92. Jabril Cox LB LSU - Speedy ILB who can cover? Heck yeah, he was a guy it appeared the algorithm was passing over, for some reason.
135. Dre Dalman C Stanford - A little light but mobile and smart, may allow Jenkins to stay at guard or be plugged in wherever. He was the top of the list, so great.
142. Keith Taylor CB Washington - This one I admittedly dropped a few spots because I didn't care for most of the players in front of him and I was feeling squirrely about not having a corner yet.
173. Patrick Johnson Edge Tulane - A shorter, more versatile Preston and an absolute steal here.
178. Khyris Tonga DL BYU - Whew, finally a big man fell in to place.
214. Tay Gowan CB UCF - Athletically freaky corner who's a bit raw. I think a lot of boards really undervalue him.
220. Brendedn Jaimes OT NE - He and Alaric Jackson were the last of the decent tackles and were about right here.
256. Franklin McCain III CB NC A&T - Token pick of a guy from a school most have never heard of.
I think we can stand pat at 29, or move down, some, and still get a very good player with our first pick.
@Goalline posted:Please do not trade up for a WR. Overrated position.
from a personnel dude:
“The evolution of this game has happened so much right before our guys,” another executive in personnel said. “These slot receivers, from 155 pounds up to 215, are productive, skilled, talented. Every school in the country has three- and four-receiver packages. The truth is, for every good lineman, there’s six wideouts. It is so crazy.”
There are so many receivers that some of us are still pissed off at the receiver who cost us the Tampa Bay game by catching ONLY 115 yards and a TD.
WR is so important that the Vikings drafted a great one and couldn’t even make the playoffs.
WR is so important that the GB Packers are undefeated over the last 2 seasons when their elite WR MISSES THE GAME.
Don't know if Newsome lasts until #29, but I'd be quite happy with this draft:
29: R1 P29 CB Greg Newsome II - Northwestern
62: R2 P30 S Jevon Holland - Oregon
92: R3 P28 WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette - Iowa
135: R4 P30 OT Brady Christensen - BYU
142: R4 P37 G Kendrick Green - Illinois
173: R5 P29 LB Charles Snowden - Virginia
178: R5 P34 DL Bobby Brown III - Texas A&M
214: R6 P30 WR Josh Palmer - Tennessee
220: R6 P36 CB Robert Rochell - Central Arkansas
256: R7 P28 DL Jonathan Marshall - Arkansas
This just in....
The Eagles have traded up in an effort to sign Gorman Hatchensack, a two-fingured tight end from West Central Eastern South Dakota Tech who beat Philadelphia head coach Nick Sirianni 4 out of 7 games of rock-paper-scissors.
Sirianni praised the pick. “Any guy with the guts to pick scissors 7 straight times has what it takes to be on my team any day”
WR is so important, Aaron Rodgers has never thrown at TD to a R1 WR
Yeah but Greg Jennings, Randall Cobb, Jordy Nelson and Davante Adams are BETTER than most R1 WRs....
I'd like to see them draft a CB and OL in the first 2 rounds. Seems like that's what holds this team back, an inability to cover opponents receivers and inability to protect Rodgers. And you can never have enough CBs or OL and with injuries, your 7th OL, 5th CB can become a starter pretty quick. And it's two position groups where one weak link will negate the play of the rest of the group. Opponents will literally attack that one weak link relentlessly. You don't see that with other position groups quite as blatant. Of course, it depends on the board.
I would like their R1 pick, whatever position, be a starter THIS upcoming season and have at least some impact week to week. Wouldn’t be thrilled with another “potential/raw/in a few years” type guy.
That settles it, then. Even at #29 they’ll have their pick of any and every long snapper available, unlike the sloppy seconds/thirds/fifths at others.
Don’t underestimate sloppy seconds. Thirds and beyond starts getting into “day old donut” territory though..
@Thunderbird posted:WR is so important, Aaron Rodgers has never thrown at TD to a R1 WR
...until 1st rounder WR Tavon Austin in 2020.
edit: "at TD" should be" a TD", you are correct, no TDs.
@CUPackFan posted:I'd like to see them draft a CB and OL in the first 2 rounds. Seems like that's what holds this team back, an inability to cover opponents receivers and inability to protect Rodgers. And you can never have enough CBs or OL and with injuries, your 7th OL, 5th CB can become a starter pretty quick. And it's two position groups where one weak link will negate the play of the rest of the group. Opponents will literally attack that one weak link relentlessly. You don't see that with other position groups quite as blatant. Of course, it depends on the board.
Or stop the run. Or passes over the middle. CB and OL are solid picks. If Gunt passes on an available premium DT, he needs to be kicked in the balls.
@Herschel posted:That settles it, then. Even at #29 they’ll have their pick of any and every long snapper available, unlike the sloppy seconds/thirds/fifths at others.
Fuck you and your long snapper BS! They are drafting a punter.
@PackLandVA posted:Don’t underestimate sloppy seconds. Thirds and beyond starts getting into “day old donut” territory though..
Are you quoting from Beef's seminal book, "Hell Yeah, I Would Hit That"?
@Goalline posted:Fuck you and your long snapper BS! They are drafting a punter.
They'll have to trade up, then...😆
Listening to NFL radio yesterday; Kirwin & Miller on the draft said that WRs have the biggest "bust" history of any position in First Round and Offensive Lineman have highest rate of success. Based on past history I think we will either move up to take CB Newsome or stay at 29 and take the best OT on the board.
First Ann Wilson, now this....Christmas in April!
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has been vaccinated and will be allowed to hug the players who attend Thursday night’s draft.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 23, 2021
@Chongo posted:First Ann Wilson, now this....Christmas in April!
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has been vaccinated and will be allowed to hug the players who attend Thursday night’s draft.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 23, 2021
I bet the players will be thrilled to hear that news. Goodell might be rushing it a bit, After our 2nd dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine the nurse said you won't reach full protection for another 2 weeks. 
@Chongo posted:First Ann Wilson, now this....Christmas in April!
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has been vaccinated and will be allowed to hug the players who attend Thursday night’s draft.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) April 23, 2021
That's important because we need iconic photos like this with the commissioner interacting with draftees.
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I actually laughed out loud when this happened
Draftees need more lavalavas
(That's kilts for your honkies)
@Henry posted:That really needs to be a coffee table book
That would be more like a full set of encyclopedias.
The Ravens could now move well up, if they wanted to, or just move up to have two picks before Green Bay. They have a lot of the same wants/needs as Green Bay does.
Chicago's going to trade up to get a QB this year.
@Herschel posted:The Ravens could now move well up, if they wanted to, or just move up to have two picks before Green Bay. They have a lot of the same wants/needs as Green Bay does.
The fans or the team?