We are always so willing to give away millions of other people's money.
Come on, no one out there with Wisconsin ties to Watt? No one knows someone who knows a friend of his uncle, who has heard that his dream is to come back and play with the Packers?
@michiganjoe posted:Here's a 2-year $31 million fully guaranteed deal for J.J. Watt and how it works for Green Bay:
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) February 12, 2021
2021 Cap Hit: $6 million
2022 Cap Hit: $15 million
2023 Cap Hit: $10 million (while not on the team)
He was set to make $17.5 mil for Houston and had trade interest per @RapSheet pic.twitter.com/5BfFq0lDkP
Couple easy cuts to get the $6M or more to cover his hit: Kirksey and Wagner. Our current ILBs will look better with JJW in front of them anyway and we can draft a RT to fill in until Bakh is back and Turner goes back to RT. Restructure Rodgers to cover the draft class and UDFA’s and boom were in business.
It would be nice to cheer on 99 in GB but I would also really like to see a good CB to replace #20. I still heave at how awful he was in the playoffs!
Just created $8.3M by restructuring Bakhtiari. Would be willing to bet we see restructures from Rodgers, ZSmith, Amos, KC, and maybe Davante. Can probably squeeze another $10-15M out of that group. Cutting Wagner and Kirksey saves about $10.2M. Clearing space for going all-in.
Reportedly James White is interested in becoming a Packer. If both Jones and Williams sign elsewhere White could be an affordable replacement.
Yeah I wouldn’t hate that. Dillon + White + versatile rookie could be just fine. We won’t replace a RB of Jones caliber honestly, but I think Dillon is a 1,000 yard rusher. Biggest downgrade will be in pass pro where Jones and Jamal were pretty solid.
James White could be Jones 2.0. He can run, catch passes and move the chains. I would not mind seeing James White, in Green and Gold, at all.
I would much prefer a backfield of White and Dillon and a late rounder than using another high pick for a big namer. Seems to me that's why they took Dillon last year.
Whats the deal with Dillons pass pro/blocking? Can't he or won't he? If either apply some one in the scouting dept goofed.
I think it is more that he wasn't asked or required to do that in college. Good pass blocking can be coached and I assume he will get a crash course in that if Jones and Williams go elsewhere.
I don't see us using 2 high draft picks in successive year's on RBs, especially since the 2 probable outgoing backs were 4th & 5th round picks. Dillon, 4th to 6th round draft pick, & FA vet would be good.
I think it’s telling that the Packers attempted to extend Jones during the season and he turned them down.
Dude wants to get paid which is understandable given the position he plays, but history hasn’t been kind to big name RBs that have signed huge contracts.
They drafted Dillon for a reason and thinking if they either sign a guy like White or bring back Jamaal Williams on a team friendly deal that should work. I’d guess they draft a back anyway in the mid to late rounds.
If it comes down to it I’d much rather they use Jones money on adding another defensive player or two.
@FLPACKER posted:I don't see us using 2 high draft picks in successive year's on RBs, especially since the 2 probable outgoing backs were 4th & 5th round picks. Dillon, 4th to 6th round draft pick, & FA vet would be good.
That's just silly. Dean Lowry, Tyler Lancester and whatever UDFA ILB comes along have the middle of defense shored up for years to come.
@mrtundra posted:James White could be Jones 2.0. He can run, catch passes and move the chains. I would not mind seeing James White, in Green and Gold, at all.
Don't be surprised if James White ends up in Tampa Bay.
That is not funny.
Rewatching Dillon's runs, he has much lighter feet and more wiggle than I would have imagined. He's a 1000yds all day long. He could be as effective as Jones in this offense. He'll just look different doing it.
@ammo posted:I think it is more that he wasn't asked or required to do that in college. Good pass blocking can be coached and I assume he will get a crash course in that if Jones and Williams go elsewhere.
And if you watched the way Dillon performed it last year he will be better at it than either Jones or Williams when he gets the process down. Absolutely destroys rushers when he meets them head on, while the other 2 tend to give up ground to big pass rushers.
@FLPACKER posted:I don't see us using 2 high draft picks in successive year's on RBs, especially since the 2 probable outgoing backs were 4th & 5th round picks. Dillon, 4th to 6th round draft pick, & FA vet would be good.
The run game is more valuable in this offense than it was during the MM years. I definitely think it will be a good use of resources drafting a RB high.
Dillon is going to put up almost 3000 yards from scrimmage and 30 touchdowns over a 2 year span? Not to mention catching about 50 passes each year?
I know we are all enamored with Dillon and he doesn’t need to replace Jones production but let’s pump the brakes a bit. The kid should get every opportunity but Jones has been very good in this offense the last couple of years. In a perfect world he’d be back and Dillon would be the #2 change of pace guy.
Agreed with the exception of tagging Dillon as a change of pace RB. Jones and Dillon are perfect compliments but both are actually quite good running up the gut and receiving. Considering what Jones did at the WRB position, hard to say Dillon would emulate that kind of production. Never know I guess.
@Goalline posted:The run game is more valuable in this offense than it was during the MM years. I definitely think it will be a good use of resources drafting a RB high.
I get that, but that but you never hear NFL personnel say "you can never have enough good RBs" ....but you do hear them say that about CBs & D-lineman. Looking at a number of analytical articles, in addition to average pay per position, RBs are considered around the 10th most valuable position.
@Goalline posted:The run game is more valuable in this offense than it was during the MM years. I definitely think it will be a good use of resources drafting a RB high.
When Jordan Love needs the cover. Not with Rodgers. You have Dillon already with a couple of solid blocking TEs. Get defense.
Dillon won’t produce like Jones, they’re different players entirely. Dillon, to me, is a 1200-1500 yard rusher in the mold of Derek Henry or Marshawn Lynch. He’s a 3 down workhorse and he’s going to produce, get tough yards, and be consistent for 16 games. Jones is the ultimate gadget player in the mold of Christian McCcaffrey. He does a little bit of everything and is really good at everything. Dillon won’t replace that, best we can do, with our cap situation, is moneyball the situation and replace Jones’ production with multiple guys. James White is a capable player who can be a factor in the run and pass game, he’s versatile, but he’s not Aaron Jones. Draft a Devin Singletary/Tarik Cohen type player and rotate him with White. Jones is great and I wish he was staying, btw I guarantee GB does too, but his impact is not impossible to replicate and there doesn’t seem to be a realistic path to keeping him.
I would love to see JJ Watt in Green Bay. He certainly isn't the player he was in his prime, but I think he still has some gas left in the tank to make a difference on the field. Where he absolutely excels though is leadership. The Green Bay defense has plenty of talent with the likes of Alexander, Z, Amos, Savage, Clark and Gary. That said, they lack strong leadership unless anybody thinks choreographing the train dance in the end zone after a turnover is "leadership." I think JJ Watt could come into Green Bay and do what Reggie White and Charles Woodson did to the defense. One guy like that can completely change the mindset of the entire group.
If Green Bay is truly going "all in" to capture the remainder of AR's career (And they damn well should), this is the type of move they need to make. Restructure AR's contract and commit to him for the foreseeable future while freeing up cap space. Get rid of guys like Lowry, Kirksey, Wagner, etc. Let guys like Jones, King, Williams, etc. walk. Bring in a guy like JJ Watt along with a few other guys and draft like a MFer.
I think Gute has the balls to pull this off if there is mutual interest. Although I can see where JJ Watt would be interested in playing with his brothers in Pittsburgh. He won't win a Super Bowl there though. I suspect Green Bay would be very attractive to him considering he grew up in Wisconsin and the Packers are thisclose to another ring.
Yes! No one on the defense has the combination of ability / communication skills to be a great leader. The players who have great ability are not great communicators (Clark / Alexander / Z. Smith) & the guys who are good communicators (Martin / Barnes / Amos / Savage) don't have top ability / personality, at least yet.
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— leroy butler (@leap36) February 14, 2021
@Henry posted:When Jordan Love needs the cover. Not with Rodgers. You have Dillon already with a couple of solid blocking TEs. Get defense.
They're not going to replace Jones with a Jones-like guy. But my fear with this FO is going econo-style with the rb position. Like they did at TE and lucked out with Tonyan stepping up this year. And even though Jared Cook had a subpar end to his season, he should have been in green and gold all this time and they let him walk for the likes of Graham and Kendricks.
I hate to say it, but I think Jones may have been checked out during that Tampa game. As odd as it feels to say, that one game turned the tide on my opinion of breaking the bank for him. He's a special player, but not worth the hassle of bending over backwards to keep him.
The problem with losing him is all the skills he provided won't be found in just one replacement. Giving the keys to Dillon is quite a risk if you hope to start 2021 anywhere near the level they reached this past year, and in that situation Jamaal should be made a priority, maybe along with White, just to keep some stability if AJ is gone. It sounds like a good problem to have, but that's where this organization tends to F things up the most.
Wondering if new DC Barry will make a push to keep Preston Smith, on the team? He turned Preston into an 8 sack per season guy, in Washington, and may want a known quantity, to help in his defense. BTW, I see Preston as a cap casualty, soon. Who would be released/restructured, in order to keep Preston, for Barry, if that played out?
P didn't do squat this past year. I'm all for cap savings and upgrading the defense , but if P leaves something tells me we'll regret it.
Suspect the team is very comfortable giving Preston's snaps to Gary.
I'm not so sure about that. Gary is more Z than P, and having all three gives them a decent amount of flexibility and rotation. P is the one who can cover some. The ability to have three legitimate pass rushers on the field is almost a necessity for successful teams these days and trying to have those guys play every snap is a recipe for disaster. I'd argue they are still a pass rusher short even with Preston. They could really use another Fackrell-type situational rusher: not a high-snap guy, but someone who can have a productive 10-20 snaps a game with fresh legs in the second half.
@ammo posted:I think it is more that he wasn't asked or required to do that in college. Good pass blocking can be coached and I assume he will get a crash course in that if Jones and Williams go elsewhere.
It might be a lost art to pick up blitzes in college. So often in college the emphasis for most teams it the RPO/air raid offenses that are designed to get the defense spread out they can't blitz that much because they have to cover so many players. I have no idea what offense BC ran when he was there though so maybe he just wasn't asked to do it.
@FLPACKER posted:
Can JJ go to Vegas and place a bet based on those odds?
@Herschel posted:I'm not so sure about that. Gary is more Z than P, and having all three gives them a decent amount of flexibility and rotation. P is the one who can cover some. The ability to have three legitimate pass rushers on the field is almost a necessity for successful teams these days and trying to have those guys play every snap is a recipe for disaster. I'd argue they are still a pass rusher short even with Preston. They could really use another Fackrell-type situational rusher: not a high-snap guy, but someone who can have a productive 10-20 snaps a game with fresh legs in the second half.
This is where the Packers could zig when everyone zags. You let P Smith go after June 1st, then draft his replacement. Then you use the cap savings on Watt and Patrick Peterson, and you are all-fucking-in. Both Watt and Peterson are looking to win, and can be gotten on shorter deals with the enticement of a ring. Neither are the players they once were, but their experience and talent with their veteran presence will help this team.
