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Looks like the Jets intend to throw Zach Wilson, (or whichever QB they draft), directly into the fire.
The only other QB's they have on their roster at the moment are Mike White and James Morgan.  Not exactly household names.
On the plus side, Brett Hundley is still available on the FA market.

@ilcuqui posted:

@AdamSchefter: Filed to ESPN: Jets trading QB Sam Darnold to the Carolina Panthers for a 2021 sixth-round pick and second- and fourth-round picks in 2022, per sources.

Gotta give it up to the Jets.  Scoring three draft picks, including what will likely be mid 2nd and 4th round picks for Darnold is quite a feat.  Not sure how the Panthers see him as enough improvement over Bridgewater to give up three picks.

Tampa Bay at New England would make sense for one of the marquee games in Week 1.

Doesn't the Super Bowl winner get the Thursday nighter at home Week 1?  Otherwise I would agree.

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@RochNyFan posted:

Gotta give it up to the Jets.  Scoring three draft picks, including what will likely be mid 2nd and 4th round picks for Darnold is quite a feat.  Not sure how the Panthers see him as enough improvement over Bridgewater to give up three picks.

A roll of the dice...will depend on his line. He does have McCaffrey.

@RochNyFan posted:

Gotta give it up to the Jets.  Scoring three draft picks, including what will likely be mid 2nd and 4th round picks for Darnold is quite a feat.  Not sure how the Panthers see him as enough improvement over Bridgewater to give up three picks.

Darnold is only 23...Bridgewater is 28 and has a major injury on his resume.

@RochNyFan posted:

Gotta give it up to the Jets.  Scoring three draft picks, including what will likely be mid 2nd and 4th round picks for Darnold is quite a feat.  Not sure how the Panthers see him as enough improvement over Bridgewater to give up three picks.

CAR still has high RD1 pick.  They can go QB there too if someone they like is there.  Considering what they paid for him he doesn't need to be their "future and present" #1.

There are many times that I thank god I am a Packers fan.  One of the biggest times is when I see how the Jets are ran.  I bet Darnold threw a party when he found out he was getting away from them.

The Hall of Really Good? Why not? Meanwhile, Leroy Butler continues to sit on the sidelines. If it didn’t mean so much to these players I wouldn’t give a shit. I have been ignoring the ceremony for over a decade. There needs to me a more stringent process than whether said player made a bunch of reporters wet in their nether regions.

@mrtundra posted:

Does Edelmann make the NFL HOF?  I wonder how he feels, knowing his success on the field, was tied directly to Brady?

Not worthy in my mind.  He's in the same class as Danny Amendola or Wes Welker.  Good, but not exceptional talents made better by Brady.

If Sterling Sharpe- a 5x Pro Bowler in 7 seasons isn’t in, there’s no way in hell Julian Edelman is deserving to be in.

Sharpe had nearly the same amount of career catches (about 600), but 1,300 more receiving yards and double the TDs that Edelman had in 11 seasons.

@Tschmack posted:

If Sterling Sharpe- a 5x Pro Bowler in 7 seasons isn’t in, there’s no way in hell Julian Edelman is deserving to be in.

Sharpe had nearly the same amount of career catches (about 600), but 1,300 more receiving yards and double the TDs that Edelman had in 11 seasons.

There is not a single person who knows anything about the NFL that would say that Edelman was even remotely in the same league as Sterling. If they had been contemporaries, you would have had to package Edelmen with a high first-round pick to even begin a conversation about what it would take to trade him for Sterling.

Edelman shouldn't even be in the discussion for the hall of fame.  People go crazy b/c of his playoffs numbers but look closer and they aren't as impressive.  Yes he had 118 catches for 1,442 yards but that was in 19 games.  So per game, he only averaged 6 catches for 76 yards, catching a TD one out of every 4 games.  That's not worth a spot in the hall.

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@Pikes Peak posted:

Not HOF worthy, he was a very good player, made some big plays in big games.

While not worthy he certainly will be and should be on the ballot.  

Just for a thought exercise, let's compare these two players. The two players are the same size, roughly the same weight, and came into the league two years apart. They are both slot receivers. Both have 5 career playoff TDs.

Player A. 130 career games, 563 catches, 6793 yards, 47 TDs

Player B. 137 career games, 620 catches, 6822 yards, 36 TDs

To put this into even more context, while the QB plays a huge role in the success of any slot receiver, how good a TE they play next to also is huge. A superstar TE takes two guys out of the middle of the field.

Player A played a lot of his career with Richard Rodgers.

Player B played with Gronkowski.

Player A is Randall Cobb. Player B is Edelman

Edelman produced in the playoffs (although Cobb wasn't terrible by any means), and that means something. But is Robert Horry a Hall of Famer in the NBA because he happened to hit some wide-open 3s at key times after being set up by superstar teammates? Again, it means something (just ask Eric Bledsoe), but it doesn't make you a Hall of Famer.

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@mrtundra posted:

I wonder how he feels, knowing his success on the field, was tied directly to Brady?

Considering he's made ~$45M and has been doing nothing but banging supermodels for 10+ years, I'm gonna go with - Pretty good.

I think Edelman gets a lot of love because he made a number of plays in the postseason, much like Gronk has.

To me, the most clutch athlete in sports history is Robert Horry, aka Big Shot Rob.  He’s won 7 titles and hit many game clinching playoff shots but was basically a glorified role player.  Does he deserve to be in?  Nope.

@El-Ka-Bong posted:

Did people really think he was HOF caliber?

They really shouldn't think he is HOF caliber.  If there was a Hall of very good perhaps but not the HOF.   But then again when they put that Broncos RB in the HOF based upon 4 really good years anything is possible.

@The Heckler posted:

They really shouldn't think he is HOF caliber.  If there was a Hall of very good perhaps but not the HOF.   But then again when they put that Broncos RB in the HOF based upon 4 really good years anything is possible.

Putting Davis in the HOF was the biggest mistake they have ever made. Now it's a crapshoot and a guy like Edelmann could get in "just because he was pretty darn good."

@Timpranillo posted:

Considering he's made ~$45M and has been doing nothing but banging supermodels for 10+ years, I'm gonna go with - Pretty good.

Hey.

Most X4 members have been banging it out to super models for more than 15+ years.

@Fandame posted:

Putting Davis in the HOF was the biggest mistake they have ever made. Now it's a crapshoot and a guy like Edelmann could get in "just because he was pretty darn good."

At one time I thought Mike Alstott would get in on the basis of all those bogus pro-bowl fullback appearances. It looks like we dodged that bullet.

Donald Driver deserves be in before Edelman.  Their averages are almost identical.

Ave. per game. 

Driver          REC   3.6      Yards   49.4     TD  .3

Edelman     REC   4.5       Yards  49.8      TD  .3

Donald played more seasons.  Edelman had more playoff games.

LeRoy Butler and Sterling Sharpe should be in the NFL HOF, if they are even thinking of Edelmann being inducted. It's bad enough Davis and the mediocre Tampa Safety, John Lynch,  got in, while LeRoy and Sterling are made to wait. I think a case can be made for Fuzzy Thurston being inducted, into the HOF, more than either Davis or Lynch and especially Edelmann.

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