The problem I had with that Silverstein column then, and still today, is it was all based on suppositions and what-ifs, with no real reporting of what was going on inside 1265. Spoon guessed, and guessed wrong. Ball got an interview because it made sense, but the best candidate got the job. Ball was smart enough to not jump to another gig because he could see his career path and it wasn't ever going to head to a GM gig down the road.
Sorry, the whole triangle of dingdongery just feels like a giant concession to Ball not getting the GM job and "stepping back" into whatever vice president title. I fail to believe Ball or Murphy aren't involved. The whole structure caters to it. I'd put dollars to donuts if the triumvirate of silos were to all of a sudden develop a power struggle Stooge McGunt would be on the outside.
Wolf wasn’t retained in Cleveland, they purged that FO culture and got better immediately.
Winning has not been the issue with the current structure. Winning championships has been.
@Grave Digger posted:Wolf wasn’t retained in Cleveland, they purged that FO culture and got better immediately.
Meanwhile Gunt has been an utter failure. Our NFCN neighbors would be whacking of to pictures of Gunt if he carried them to 2 13-3 seasons.
Back to back NFCC games and we’re sniveling about Gunt, silos, dumbfuckery and how fucked up the front office is. Miserable nonsense
Jesus fuck.
Well a competent GM would have won 4 Super Bowls by now. It ain’t hard.
@Pakrz posted:Back to back NFCC games and we’re sniveling about Gunt, silos, dumbfuckery and how fucked up the front office is. Miserable nonsense
Jesus fuck.
Yes, had nothing to do with that Rodgers guy or the trending stupidity of Murphy over the course of his tenure.
Jesus fuck indeed.
@Goalline posted:Meanwhile Gunt has been an utter failure. Our NFCN neighbors would be whacking of to pictures of Gunt if he carried them to 2 13-3 seasons.
Who exactly “carried” the Packers to those 13-3 seasons? How much of that roster is TT’s doing?
Come back when you have something that isn’t complete bullshit.
Gunt ball fondlers the lot.
I wonder if Steve of Norway will make an appearance?
@Grave Digger posted:Wolf wasn’t retained in Cleveland, they purged that FO culture and got better immediately.
Just so I’m clear, Dorsey, Wolf and Highsmith were the problem correct? Along with all those draft picks?
@Henry posted:Just so I’m clear, Dorsey, Wolf and Highsmith were the problem correct? Along with all those draft picks?
Which is why they purged them all plus the coach they hired and the team was a magically a contender just 1 season later. Meanwhile GB has drafted better without them. Coincidence?
I don't think it's a bold statement to say that the back-to-back 13-3 seasons had as much, and maybe more, to do with LaFleur/scheme, as it did with who was playing QB.
The key players did not change over that much from McCarthy's final year to LaFleur year 1.
I do believe Russ Ball and Mark Murphy have a lot to do with the current mess regarding Rodgers. To a lesser extent Gute may as well.
But to suggest Rodgers isn’t at all responsible is wishful thinking at best. There are a number of things he could do or could have done differently (or his handlers) but nah, that’s beneath him and he’s better and smarter than everyone else.
Thank God for Giannis and the Bucks right now. We can look forward to them defending their title starting in October and hopefully be enjoying a deep playoff run by the Brewers at the same time. All bets are off on WTF will happen with the Packers but as far as I am concerned make a goddamn decision. Report to TC. Retire. Demand a trade and make it happen. Enough of the drama already.
12 and 17 are now apparently posting identical Instagram messages about the "Last Dance" with photos of Jordan and Pippen.
Not exactly Jordan and Pippen.... but whatever blows your arrogant skirt up.
Very passive aggressive. Also Jordan and Pippen, ya know, won championships together…
They should be posting Instagram messages about the "Last Dance" with Donna Summer instead:
@Grave Digger posted:Which is why they purged them all plus the coach they hired and the team was a magically a contender just 1 season later. Meanwhile GB has drafted better without them. Coincidence?
Freddy Kitchens was a huge mistake. Now let's talk about drafting guys like Mayfield, Chubb, etc.
They were fired along with Dorsey. Go figure Schneider gladly hired Highsmith and Wolf is in New England.
You don't suppose "GB drafted better without them" had anything to do with that TT guy? Of course not. Not sure how you're equating better drafts either.
Well anyways, you guys can continue to snowball your villain narrative while I hope for one last Super Bowl run. Then we can all enjoy the rebuild together.
Onward to TC.
@Grave Digger posted:Very passive aggressive. Also Jordan and Pippen, ya know, won championships together…
That's because they had complete teams in a different sport.
@Tschmack posted:I do believe Russ Ball and Mark Murphy have a lot to do with the current mess regarding Rodgers. To a lesser extent Gute may as well.
But to suggest Rodgers isn’t at all responsible is wishful thinking at best. There are a number of things he could do or could have done differently (or his handlers) but nah, that’s beneath him and he’s better and smarter than everyone else.
Who is suggesting that exactly?
Psst, there's a Bucks forum but I guess the diversity of posters is a bit light. Are you getting a cut from your "viral marketing"?
@H5 posted:I don't think it's a bold statement to say that the back-to-back 13-3 seasons had as much, and maybe more, to do with LaFleur/scheme, as it did with who was playing QB.
The key players did not change over that much from McCarthy's final year to LaFleur year 1.
I don't either. A new, dynamic system with great players is going to produce excellent results, especially in the 2nd year when all the players have a more complete grasp.
Now finish the job of getting great players and not alienating the ones you already have.
2021 or bust.
I guess I better let up or the vapors will set in again.
2021 or bust!
I'm really looking forward to seeing if Slaton and Amari can contribute from the get go.
2020 should have been the year to celebrate another title. After all, they finally got the NFCCG at home. Didn’t matter. Missed opportunity.
2021 or bust only matters if 1) Rodgers comes back 2) Rodgers and Adams don’t act butthurt 3) they actually win the whole enchilada.
I’ll put my money on Brady and the Bucs repeating or Mahomes and the Chiefs winning #2. Those two teams actually have their collective shit together and actually seem interested in winning another title instead of the BS we continue to hear and see from the FO and Rodgers and Adams.
If 12 and 17 actually posted some MJ and Pippen comparable situation nonsense the two Bulls legends should seek out defamation of character charges. I mean, there are no comparisons. Those other two were part of arguably the most dominant and successful run in recent pro sports history. 12 and 17? That’s fart in the wind territory.
1st ballot HOFer QBs are generally a fart in the wind.
It's pretty amazing what a unit, one without 11 players and without infinitely more aspects to be accounted for, can do with a committed FO.
What incredibly competitive fart in the wind wouldn't want that? Oh right, shut up and play.
I wonder if Amari will get reps as a returner like Cobb did? Hopefully the UDFA class is solid enough to really bump ST play.
@H5 posted:I don't think it's a bold statement to say that the back-to-back 13-3 seasons had as much, and maybe more, to do with LaFleur/scheme, as it did with who was playing QB.
The key players did not change over that much from McCarthy's final year to LaFleur year 1.
I think Mayo should get a ton of credit both for his scheme and getting AR up to speed. While it should be easier to have a great offense with a HOF qb, McCarthy proved you could eff that up too.
Mayo+AR - shitty defensive coordinators = Super Bowl
Did anyone know Usain Bolt is a Packers fan? That kind of makes my day.
Usain Bolt begs Aaron Rogers to stay with Green Bay Packers
Usain Bolt says 2021 or Bust!
@El-Ka-Bong posted:Mayo+AR+Johnny Jolly 2 - shitty defensive coordinators = Super Bowl
I can feel it! Slaton will explode! I hope.
Honest question. What are the chances of seeing some kind of uptick from Lowry and Lancaster? Not being a dick about it but guys like Lancaster top out pretty fast. Maybe Lowry can find another gear but I think he's hit his ceiling as well. Just having a new defense and DC leaves a ton of question marks and possibly a turn for the good on some of these rotational (should be) guys.
Rodgers-Adams LeBron- Anthony Davis. Lather Rinse repeat. Just suppose Rodgers holds out and forces a trade to say Denver. Devante refuses to sign a new contract. Packers use the tag and Devante refuses to sign the tag and forces a trade to you know where, Denver. This is why I'm pissed at Rodgers
Star players have seen what the NBA has become. Saw what happened in TB. Going to be shorter term contracts and players jumping around forming 1 super team after another. They won't win a title every year, but players are going to start dictating where they play in the NFL just like the NBA. You-all may call me an iDOT, but with all the new money coming in and pay per view ect, just watch.
@Pakrz posted:12 and 17 are now apparently posting identical Instagram messages about the "Last Dance" with photos of Jordan and Pippen.
Not exactly Jordan and Pippen.... but whatever blows your arrogant skirt up.
Perhaps the post was less about Jordan and Pippen and more about *why* it was their Last Dance (IE, the front office).
That said I don't see Adams pulling the passive aggressive card like Rodgers would in this case.
@Packiderm posted:Rodgers-Adams LeBron- Anthony Davis. Lather Rinse repeat. Just suppose Rodgers holds out and forces a trade to say Denver. Devante refuses to sign a new contract. Packers use the tag and Devante refuses to sign the tag and forces a trade to you know where, Denver. This is why I'm pissed at Rodgers
Star players have seen what the NBA has become. Saw what happened in TB. Going to be shorter term contracts and players jumping around forming 1 super team after another. They won't win a title every year, but players are going to start dictating where they play in the NFL just like the NBA. You-all may call me an iDOT, but with all the new money coming in and pay per view ect, just watch.
I don't think it's at all possible to force a trade or anything else at this point. Adams will play, Rodgers plays or retires. That's about it and I'm sure they both know it. Sure seems like it's the point of no return if Rodgers told them to take their second contract offer and cram it with walnuts so I'm not sure what else can happen other than playing out his current contract.
I wonder if Bortles is the guy who gets the nod if Rodgers retires. If they like this Benkert (?) kid I bet they keep 3 QBs as not only competition but backup for the inevitable changeover. Can't imagine Bortles being long for the roster.
It’s a different world now. Teams can no longer play the “we’re good and compete for championships” card to get guys to take less money. Players nowadays want to get paid more than anything. https://t.co/7NCcxR9W0H
— TJ Lang (@TJLang70) July 24, 2021
@Chongo posted:It’s a different world now. Teams can no longer play the “we’re good and compete for championships” card to get guys to take less money. Players nowadays want to get paid more than anything. https://t.co/7NCcxR9W0H
— TJ Lang (@TJLang70) July 24, 2021
Which is how it should be. Teams don’t have to show deep loyalty, why should players. Sucks for fans, but it’s why drafting well is more crucial than its ever been…especially finding a franchise QB you can win a championship with while he’s on a bargain rookie deal.