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Makes things a little dicey for GB IRT Jordan Love. Unless he just looks horrible or gets in trouble in ‘21 or ‘22 they will have to blindly exercise his 5th year option. He starts one year on his rookie deal in ‘23 and then they either extend him or play him in ‘24 on his 5th year option. With Rodgers I believe they re-signed him mid-year of his 4th year, but that was the final year of his rookie deal then, I don’t think they had the 5th year option.

Meh, trying to draft a franchise QB is already a huge gamble, so now they maximize his development time and aren’t desperate for him to be the guy right now.

@Chongo posted:

Great points GD...

If 12 plays lights out this year, and they win the Superb Owl, and wants to come back, that creates another problem. Or what if they get to the Owl, and lose, but he has another MVP season and wants to come back again...does Gunt still trade him?

I can’t think of two better problems to have.

If AR continues to play anywhere near the way he played last season, no way you trade him.  He’s earned that right.

Gute’s big miscalculation was thinking AR’s play would decline, and it wasn’t a bad bet before last season. Obviously, he was wrong.

Sorry, Love. If you want to be the guy, outplay the guy ahead of you. AR did it 16 years ago.

@bdplant posted:

I can’t think of two better problems to have.

If AR continues to play anywhere near the way he played last season, no way you trade him.  He’s earned that right.

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He won’t. One year out of the last 10 he decided to take coaching and we think he’ll repeat it?

@Goalline posted:

He won’t. One year out of the last 10 he decided to take coaching and we think he’ll repeat it?

I don’t necessarily disagree with that. It’s possible that the Love pick (or MLF’s reaction to it) lit the fire that fueled the MVP season….whether 12 will admit or not.

If that’s the case, does the FO get credit for knowing how to motivate it’s star player, intentionally or not?

@Chongo posted:

As stated, 12 got his "commitment" for two years seemingly from a contract perspective.

But it's not about the money, and that's the commitment he gets in the 2nd year of his contract. The Packers still have total control over where he plays in '22.

His desire to play, the competitive drive was more of an influencer than the need for control.

@bdplant posted:

I don’t necessarily disagree with that. It’s possible that the Love pick (or MLF’s reaction to it) lit the fire that fueled the MVP season….whether 12 will admit or not.

If that’s the case, does the FO get credit for knowing how to motivate it’s star player, intentionally or not?

I think the Covid-forced lack of offseason was more of a factor. It resulted in significantly more interaction (virtual) than ever before, which brought MLF and AR to a much greater "common ground" on the offense. Sounds (and looks) like there was a lot of "give and take". They dissected the entire offense, purging some things, keeping & adding others. I think what it really did was give AR more ownership. It also allowed MLF to "sell" AR on some aspects of the offense that he initially did not care for.... two examples come to mind: 1) Pre snap motion - AR said that they had never used it, wasn't sold on it's benefits, but now sees it's worth 2) AR did not like to turn his back to the defense on play action, felt that it took away time that he could see & read the defense. So you had the franchise QB have absolutely no input in the hiring of an OC whose previous year's offense was 28th in the league. Of course MLF had to "sell" AR on his system. The first season and the subsequent off-season allowed him to do so, while also allowing AR to influence MLF also.

@Parrothead posted:

Is there no reason Love can't be traded if Rodgers has another good year? Just sayin'.

That ain't happening. Murphy is the only reason Rodgers is still a Packer or the MVP would've been traded for probably a John Hadl type trade.

@Parrothead posted:

Is there no reason Love can't be traded if Rodgers has another good year? Just sayin'.

I think if Rodgers has another MVP season, wins a SB, and publicly declares he wants an extension in GB to keep winning them, then it’s possible. Unlikely for sure considering Rodgers seems done with GBP, salary cap is outrageous and GB is barreling toward a rebuild.

I know people think the Rams aren’t a likely destination next year due to Stafford but if you could choose between the two who would you take? I’m sure he’d love to live where his fiancée works….

This transaction is a helluva deal for GB.

@TomSilverstein: #Packers free agent tackle Dennis Kelly signed a one-year, $1.325M deal that includes a base salary of $1.075M and a signing bonus of $250,000.

@Boris posted:

That ain't happening. Murphy is the only reason Rodgers is still a Packer or the MVP would've been traded for probably a John Hadl type trade.

I still don’t know why there are so many fans that miss that point. If Gute had his way Rodgers would already be gone. It is the knuckle head Murphy who is keeping Rodgers around.

BTW, some comments I’m hearing from press members is Love looks better in year two than Rodgers looked in year two.

I am not so sure about that. Mike Lombardi on NFL radio said "everyone inside the NFL knows that Murphy calls all the shots in GB" and strongly insinuated that Murphy was the root of AR's beef and did not value him as he should. In addition, AR went out of his way on June 9th to say he had no problem with Gute ... but failed to say anything about Murphy.

@Goalline posted:

BTW, some comments I’m hearing from press members is Love looks better in year two than Rodgers looked in year two.

Honestly, Rodgers did not look good at all in pre-season year 2.  I remember that 2006 preseason pretty well, the highlight was a tipped pass that landed in the hands of rookie Greg Jennings for a really long TD.  Other than that play which really was just more lucky than anything, Rodgers looked very ordinary and did not look as good as I personally had hoped.  It was year 3 in the 2007 pre-season that he made a titanic leap in performance and started to show signs that he could be pretty darn good if given a chance.

It's good if Love is better than Rodgers of year 2 was, but the real key.... can he make anywhere near the kind of jump that Rodgers did from year 2 to year 3?  That kind of thing doesn't happen much, but hopefully the fact that Love can sit and learn without taking a huge beating physically and emotionally will help.  That 2020 season was just an awful one for development of a young QB with no pre-season games to learn from.  Hopefully 2021 allows Love to get his feet wet and show he belongs.

I want the best QB who is going to give this team a the best chance to win games moving forward after this year. If they think Love is so-so and “might” be better than 12 after a few years, fuck it. pay Rodgers and bite the bullet. I don’t want to be cheering for a team that hopes Love might develop into something special after this year.

@Boris posted:

That ain't happening. Murphy is the only reason Rodgers is still a Packer or the MVP would've been traded for probably a John Hadl type trade.

I don't believe Hadl was coming of an MVP year.  In fact, he wasn't even a starter.  I also don't know where this idea that Murphy "kept Rodgers around".

@Goalline posted:

I still don’t know why there are so many fans that miss that point. If Gute had his way Rodgers would already be gone. It is the knuckle head Murphy who is keeping Rodgers around.

BTW, some comments I’m hearing from press members is Love looks better in year two than Rodgers looked in year two.

That would make him the dumbest Gunt there is.

I don't know why there are so many fans that miss that point.  You don't show the door to a HOF QB coming off MVP year for a project QB that's never played because of your "timeline".

Fucking idiocy.

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guy needs to stay in his lane an remember he is a player, not a coach



I was at practice today and my key takeaways:

  • Kenny Clark was the second player on the field, spending time working with a rookie...probably about 10 minutes before the next player came out
  • Jaire Alexander oozes cool - the other DBs seem to be happy when he talks to them; he also spent most of the practice on the sidelines...Stokes got a lot of work on Davante Adams and AR12 targeted him multiple times
  • Adams is silly good off the line of scrimmage and the vet took the rookie to school often
  • Josh Jackson seems bored - he made most WRs look good...time to move on from that mistake
  • Adrian Amos is a big dude for a safety - was surprised how much thicker he was than the other DBs
  • Darnell Savage plays hard every play - easy to see he is trying to get better every play
  • 12 spent a lot of time talking and giving tips to the backup QB - Kurt Benkert; not saying he was ignoring Love but when I focused on the QB drills, it seemed Rodgers was talking to Benkert every time
  • Rodgers was sharp today...in team drills, there was only like one of his passes that hit the ground
  • Love was kind of meh today...while he seemed to make a lot of good reads, there were a number of his passes that hit the ground (then again, compared to Rodgers, probably any other QB would have looked worse)
  • MVS had a couple nice catch & run plays
  • Funchess seems to be a leader - spent time coaching up young guys
  • Juwann Winfree made a couple really nice catches - definitely a guy to keep tabs on once the pads come on
  • St. Brown was a ghost - can't see how he makes the team
  • Malik Taylor - see St. Brown
  • Amari Rodgers made a couple nice plays that got nice fan reaction
  • Cobb got applause with every play he made - fans sure seem happy that he is back
  • Royce Newman has long-ass hair
  • Dennis Kelly is a large man
  • Aaron Jones looks really good; multiple jump cuts in team drills that made the LBs look silly grabbing air
  • Dexter Williams got a LOT of plays and looked ok, but I can't see how he makes the team (maybe the practice squad)
  • Dillon was an afterthought today; Kylin Hill got a few good snaps in
  • Jace Sternberger often motioned to the FB position - he doesn't look natural in the backfield...based on this frequent play alignment, I would expect Josiah Deguara to have a fairly prominent role when/if he is healthy
@El-Ka-Bong posted:

guy needs to stay in his lane an remember he is a player, not a coach



Yeah, what a selfish prick AR is.  

@Henry posted:

I don't believe Hadl was coming of an MVP year.  In fact, he wasn't even a starter.  I also don't know where this idea that Murphy "kept Rodgers around".

That would make him the dumbest Gunt there is.

I don't know why there are so many fans that miss that point.  You don't show the door to a HOF QB coming off MVP year for a project QB that's never played because of your "timeline".

Fucking idiocy.

Show him the door. He ain’t won shit in 10 years. Git some picks.

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@Henry posted:

I don't believe Hadl was coming of an MVP year.  In fact, he wasn't even a starter.  I also don't know where this idea that Murphy "kept Rodgers around".

That would make him the dumbest Gunt there is.

I don't know why there are so many fans that miss that point.  You don't show the door to a HOF QB coming off MVP year for a project QB that's never played because of your "timeline".

Fucking idiocy.

I don't like how AR has handled this with his passive aggressive BS. I'm glad he was more direct about it at the presser but I definitely have lost respect for him. I still feel the FO bears the bulk of the blame but they are trying to make it right. I feel the comment above about trying replace the MVP with a project who will likely never be half the QB AR is based on an idiotic timeline is spot on.

@FLPACKER posted:

I think the Covid-forced lack of offseason was more of a factor. It resulted in significantly more interaction (virtual) than ever before, which brought MLF and AR to a much greater "common ground" on the offense. Sounds (and looks) like there was a lot of "give and take". They dissected the entire offense, purging some things, keeping & adding others. I think what it really did was give AR more ownership. It also allowed MLF to "sell" AR on some aspects of the offense that he initially did not care for.... two examples come to mind: 1) Pre snap motion - AR said that they had never used it, wasn't sold on it's benefits, but now sees it's worth 2) AR did not like to turn his back to the defense on play action, felt that it took away time that he could see & read the defense. So you had the franchise QB have absolutely no input in the hiring of an OC whose previous year's offense was 28th in the league. Of course MLF had to "sell" AR on his system. The first season and the subsequent off-season allowed him to do so, while also allowing AR to influence MLF also.

I think one thing that many overlook in evaluating Rodgers' 2020 season is the fact that all 16 games were close to "home" games.  No stadium/crowd noise to hinder the offensive execution at the line of scrimmage.  For the average QB, that's an advantage....for one who is as smart and seasoned as Rodgers, it's like giving him the keys to the candy store.  I'm hoping for a repeat in his performance, but won't be surprised if we see a regression.

@RochNyFan posted:

I think one thing that many overlook in evaluating Rodgers' 2020 season is the fact that all 16 games were close to "home" games.  No stadium/crowd noise to hinder the offensive execution at the line of scrimmage.  For the average QB, that's an advantage....for one who is as smart and seasoned as Rodgers, it's like giving him the keys to the candy store.  I'm hoping for a repeat in his performance, but won't be surprised if we see a regression.

This is something that I always felt was a major advantage for Rodgers last year.  Remember how many years that he barely threw any picks at home games, but the away games his stats were significantly worse?  I think it will make a big difference, and he still might throw 40 TDs, but a 120 rating and 48 TDs, I see as a long shot.

@Phil posted:

This is something that I always felt was a major advantage for Rodgers last year.  Remember how many years that he barely threw any picks at home games, but the away games his stats were significantly worse?  I think it will make a big difference, and he still might throw 40 TDs, but a 120 rating and 48 TDs, I see as a long shot.

The way this offense will hum this year, it won't matter.

www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/aaron...plits-last-2-seasons

however, I’m can’t confirm these stats are from 2019 & 2020 seasons.

Career:
Home: 108.5
Away: 99.6

2020:
Home: 122.4
Away: 120.7

2019:

Home: 101.6
Away: 89.6

2018:
Home: 97.1
Away: 98.0

2017:
Home: 105.2
Away: 90.4

2016:
Home: 106.5
Away: 101.9

2015:
Home: 94.9
Away: 90.2

2014:
Home: 133.2
Away: 94.2

2013:
Home: 126.4
Away: 91.8

2012:
Home: 101.3
Away: 114.9

2011:
Home: 128.5
Away: 117.5

2010:
Home: 112.7
Away: 89.3

2009:
Home: 98.7
Away: 108.4

2008:
Home: 104.7
Away: 83.3

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