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After watching LaFluer's offense the last couple of years I wondered how Cobb would have done in such a dynamic offense. Guess we will find out. I'm pretty sure he will be productive but you always have to be ready for the injuries.

@Tschmack posted:

I think Rodgers knows he’s probably done in GB after this year, so the input or no input really doesn’t matter.  

As for the Gute comment “Aaron wanted him,” could someone please explain to me how a multi billion dollar business can’t hire a PR person or head of communications to coach the FO or respond to questions appropriately?   I get that Gute was probably ticked on ARs comments but get over it already.  

I hope they never hire a PR/Com person. I prefer simple humans expressing themselves, not polished turds.

The problem is that kind of statement doesn’t look good for Gute or the Packers. We already know Mark Murphy says a lot of stupid shit.  

Assuming Rodgers moves on they still have to recruit and retain players.  Perhaps Murphy and Gute just don’t give a damn.  

@Tschmack posted:

As for the Gute comment “Aaron wanted him,” could someone please explain to me how a multi billion dollar business can’t hire a PR person or head of communications to coach the FO or respond to questions appropriately?   I get that Gute was probably ticked on ARs comments but get over it already.  

What's he supposed to say?  Dude gets destroyed for not doing what Aaron wants, now he literally does what Aaron wants and it's still not good enough?

At least he's being honest.  He wouldn't have traded for Cobb if Aaron didn't want him, and he said that.  Not sure why everything needs sugar coating.

Are we saying he should have just lied?

"Obviously without Aaron, I don't think we would probably be pursuing that, but he's still a really good player," Gutekunst told reporters at Packers training camp Thursday. "Seeing him last night just kind of reminded me of what kind of impact he'll have in our locker room for our football team. This is a very important thing for Aaron, and that's why we did it."

"Having Randall Cobb in our building is a positive, there's no doubt about that," Gutekunst said, via NFL.com. "Not only as a player, but a person to our locker room, he's a positive, specifically to our quarterback, which is a very important piece of what we're trying to accomplish in 2021."

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I have zero problems with this answer. It's the truth. Anyone muckraking to spin this into a negative didn't get the entire context.  And this is going to be a problem all year... the media is going to love trying to pit them against each other every time either party opens their mouths. 

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@MI PACK posted:

Are we saying he should have just lied?

"Obviously without Aaron, I don't think we would probably be pursuing that, but he's still a really good player," Gutekunst told reporters at Packers training camp Thursday. "Seeing him last night just kind of reminded me of what kind of impact he'll have in our locker room for our football team. This is a very important thing for Aaron, and that's why we did it."

"Having Randall Cobb in our building is a positive, there's no doubt about that," Gutekunst said, via NFL.com. "Not only as a player, but a person to our locker room, he's a positive, specifically to our quarterback, which is a very important piece of what we're trying to accomplish in 2021."

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I have zero problems with this answer. It's the truth. Anyone muckraking to spin this into a negative didn't get the entire context.  And this is going to be a problem all year... the media is going to love trying to pit them against each other every time either party opens their mouths.

A good player and a positive in the locker room?  What kind of asshole is this Gute guy, anyway?

@vitaflo posted:

What's he supposed to say?

"We took his input into consideration when making our decision.  It's not as simple as one factor, a lot of things come into play in our process and Mr. Rodgers input is certainly one of those."

That wasn't very difficult and I'm not a smart man.

@BrainDed posted:

"We took his input into consideration when making our decision.  It's not as simple as one factor, a lot of things come into play in our process and Mr. Rodgers input is certainly one of those."

That wasn't very difficult and I'm not a smart man.

Do you really think that's appreciably better than what he actually said?  I'm not talking about the chopped-up tweet soundbites floating around, I'm talking about his actual words in their actual context.  He told the truth and used plenty of flowery language to praise Cobb.  What's the problem here?  Apparently I'm either missing something, or just not looking to be easily offended.

Going to fit right in...

Interesting numbers on his “new” contract. No new money, pouring all the bonuses in 2021, guaranteeing 2022 salary. Huge up tick in dead money for 2022 (~$27M) with a pre-June 1 roster move (cut or trade), making it likely he’s in GB for 2022 (barring renegotiation). Contract voids on 7th day of league year in ‘23, the day after the franchise tag deadline, so they can’t tag him.

So he basically got ‘21 and ‘22 fully guaranteed (the commitment he wanted) and becomes a free agent in ‘23 barring an extension. Looks like GB gained ~$15M in cap space in ‘21 and ~$21M in ‘22 with this move.

Makes things a little dicey for GB IRT Jordan Love. Unless he just looks horrible or gets in trouble in ‘21 or ‘22 they will have to blindly exercise his 5th year option. He starts one year on his rookie deal in ‘23 and then they either extend him or play him in ‘24 on his 5th year option. With Rodgers I believe they re-signed him mid-year of his 4th year, but that was the final year of his rookie deal then, I don’t think they had the 5th year option.

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Great points GD...

I keep hearing people say "oh, the Packers won, they got what they wanted and Aaron didn't get what he wanted."

I think both sides got a little more of what they wanted.

As stated, 12 got his "commitment" for two years seemingly from a contract perspective. The Packers got some wiggle room this year for the cap...which helps 12 because they went and got Cobb and Fake-tiari.

WRT Nub's 5th year...Gunt probably didn't think that far down the line at the time, and now he's going to have to deal with it. He saw a shiny new Ferrari he could afford, but after he purchased it, he realize he can't drive it as much as he had thought he would. If 12 plays lights out this year, and they win the Superb Owl, and wants to come back, that creates another problem. Or what if they get to the Owl, and lose, but he has another MVP season and wants to come back again...does Gunt still trade him?

I forgot who posted it, but they were bang on when they said this team needs someone like an Andrew Brandt to massage egos. All we have is the film nerd, the bean counter and Alfred E. Fuckface.

@Chongo posted:

WRT Nub's 5th year...Gunt probably didn't think that far down the line at the time, and now he's going to have to deal with it. He saw a shiny new Ferrari he could afford, but after he purchased it, he realize he can't drive it as much as he had thought he would. If 12 plays lights out this year, and they win the Superb Owl, and wants to come back, that creates another problem. Or what if they get to the Owl, and lose, but he has another MVP season and wants to come back again...does Gunt still trade him?

Oh I think the timing of drafting Love was possibly more important than the player himself. The plan seems to have been, based on Rodgers contract, to trade him after ‘21, giving Love 1 year under Rodgers and 2 full years to grow into the position before they have to decide on the 5th year. I think that’s why they burned money/draft picks on the running game, they were planning to build around their young QB. I think covid threw a wrench in the plans maybe more than Rodgers MVP season. They got zero evaluation of Love, hard to know anything without training camp and preseason.

@Boris posted:

Who nearly picked it off? Stokes? Savage?

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My favorite quote from this whole drama-fest...Colin Cowturd, in all seriousness, says something to the effect of "the Packers drafted Love in the first round, they KNOW he can play, it's just a matter of when." As if being drafted in the first round as a QB = guaranteed success.

JFC, what a moran.

@Chongo posted:

Great points GD...



I forgot who posted it, but they were bang on when they said this team needs someone like an Andrew Brandt to massage egos. All we have is the film nerd, the bean counter and Alfred E. Fuckface.

For the most part, not having a big-pocket egomaniacal owner is a good thing for the Packers. However, this is a time where it works against them. A guy like Jerry Jones (and many others) can invite their superstars (and maybe as important, their significant others) out to their mega-mansions, fly them on their private jets, and just generally show them off (which is really why billionaires get into sports ownership) at fancy parties.

I saw this somewhere over the last week (I don't know whether it was on the forum or somewhere else), but in Green Bay Favre and now Rodgers are probably the wealthiest people around. There is no one on the food chain higher than them to wine and dine them. Tom Brady probably had access to Robert Kraft's (and now the Glazer family's) yachts and vacation homes.

Rodgers probably has multiple homes bigger than Mark Murphy's main home.

We get jaded by how much professional athletes make and Rodgers is worth north of 100 million. While that is multi-generational wealth, it's peanuts compared to people like Robert Kraft (6 Billion), Jerry Jones (10 Billion), Kronke (9 Billion), etc. There is the same proportional difference between Jerry Jones and Aaron Rodgers (Jones is worth 100 times more) than there is between Aaron Rodgers and someone with roughly 1 million in net worth (there are almost certainly people on this forum with more than that).

Guys in Green Bay don't get the ego massage that some of the players with deep pocket owners do.

And they know they're carrying the weight and paying the bills.

Nobody except Packers fans are going to come to Division Winning Town District otherwise.

Maybe the Packers should commission their own Love Boat?

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@Henry posted:

And they know they're carrying the weight and paying the bills.

Nobody except Packers fans are going to come to Division Winning Town District otherwise.

Maybe the Packers should commission their own Love Boat?

The yachts that Kraft, Arthur Blank, and some other NFL owners have are worth more than Rodgers' net worth.

https://www.si.com/extra-musta...cht-dreamboat-photos