@Pikes Peak posted:
That was last year before showing his lack of hands, lack of elusiveness, fumbling, and dumb decisions. Granted, he was a rookie, but he didn't show shit. I think he should have been allowed a few more snaps to see what we had in a rookie drafted that high, but like others have said, maybe he didn't earn them.
@YATittle posted:Here's a weird mock draft: two D studs in first round.
Karlaftis at 22 looks very good, if he fits what the team is looking for at the position.
I wouldn't draft Lloyd in RD1. There's other LB's who are just as good, if not better, IMO, and they can be drafted later on.
@Herschel posted:So the coaching staff is utterly incompetent then?
His ST coach sure was, but yeah, I'm smoking what your passing.
@Grave Digger posted:These are guys I see GB targeting. I'm pegging trade up into the teens possibly with either of the 1st round picks and also possibly a trade down from 28 if no early targets fall. McDuffie makes sense to fill the Slot role and possibly insurance in case things fall through with Jaire. Karlaftis makes a ton of sense as he fits the mold really well to replace Preston. Tyler Smith would be a guy groomed to play RT, he's a freak. Pickens would probably be a complementary guy to a #1 deep threat like Lockett if they made a big move.
AVG RANKING PLAYER SCHOOL YEAR POS Teens/22 12 Trent McDuffie Washington Soph CB 13 Drake London USC Jr WR 15 Derek Stingley Jr. Louisiana State Jr CB 16 George Karlaftis Purdue Jr EDGE 28 30 Tyler Smith Tulsa Soph OL 44 Christian Harris Alabama Jr LB 47 Drake Jackson Southern California Jr EDGE 30's 50 Kaiir Elam Florida Jr CB 57 George Pickens Georgia Jr WR
Good to see you back GD!
@Packmeister posted:Digger.... I always like your posts. That said, a trade up for a CB or even selecting one in the 1st round would be a mistake, IMO. If they make a move, it's for a WR...maybe an OT or an Edge. Plenty of good corners can be found later in the draft. McCollum, Taylor, Britt, etc. Not to mention, safety seems to be a bigger priority than corner. Who do we really have behind Amos and Savage?
Personally, I hope they stand pat at 22, and maybe trade down from 28, unless there's a guy there they really want.
I’ll admit that pure Corners like Stingley and Elam aren’t super likely because they lack flexibility, but a guy like McDuffie is going to play Nickel, Star, FS, boundary, etc. They’re either going to pay Jaire so much money that he has to travel with the other team’s #1 or they will let things play out and deal him before the deadline to recoup some value. Either way there will be gaps that pure boundary CBs like Douglas and Stokes can’t fill.
Schrager has us taking Treylon Burks at 22 and Devonte Wyatt at 28
@Grave Digger posted:I’ll admit that pure Corners like Stingley and Elam aren’t super likely because they lack flexibility, but a guy like McDuffie is going to play Nickel, Star, FS, boundary, etc. They’re either going to pay Jaire so much money that he has to travel with the other team’s #1 or they will let things play out and deal him before the deadline to recoup some value. Either way there will be gaps that pure boundary CBs like Douglas and Stokes can’t fill.
I can buy that...thanks. I understand, now, why there is a lot of buzz about us drafting Daxton Hill. What are your thoughts on him?
@Chongo posted:Schrager has us taking Treylon Burks at 22 and Devonte Wyatt at 28
But I had Wyatt at 22 and Burks at 28! 
@Harry Manback posted:That was last year before showing his lack of hands, lack of elusiveness, fumbling, and dumb decisions. Granted, he was a rookie, but he didn't show shit. I think he should have been allowed a few more snaps to see what we had in a rookie drafted that high, but like others have said, maybe he didn't earn them.
This article has a breakdown on his RAS. Kinda disappointing.
@GBFanForLife posted:How about the fact that Rodgers acquired his buddy Cobb and Cobb had to learn the offense?
The special teams coach we was incompetent and Rogers most likely spent a lot of time there.
If Rodgers showed anything he would have gotten more plays, especially when Cobb was out injured. He didn’t.
@Harry Manback posted:His ST coach sure was, but yeah, I'm smoking what your passing.
True, but the offensive coaches seem to be fairly perceptive and competent (playoff LT aside)
@YATittle posted:Here's a weird mock draft: two D studs in first round.
No thanks. I hate Karlaftis for Green Bay. Dude will be a stud DE but he looks awkward AF in space. He makes Nick Perry and Aaron Kampman look like ballerinas in the flat.
Here is a nice mock for us from a Packer writer
That sure fills in needy spots with the first 4 picks, 2wr, edge, tackle.
@Packmeister posted:I can buy that...thanks. I understand, now, why there is a lot of buzz about us drafting Daxton Hill. What are your thoughts on him?
Hill is one of the 5 best defensive players in the draft IMO and I think he’s going to “rise” on draft day, similar to Jaire, even though the NFL has probably been hot on him all along. Fantastic instincts, great speed and athleticism, position flexibility being a FS, Star, NB, corner, etc. He’s certainly a guy I could see GB moving up for even though the media has him late in the 20’s right now.
@Herschel posted:No thanks. I hate Karlaftis for Green Bay. Dude will be a stud DE but he looks awkward AF in space. He makes Nick Perry and Aaron Kampman look like ballerinas in the flat.
I think they would look at him as a replacement for Preston. He’s young with physical upside in a very similar way to Rashan Gary, lots of ways to improve deficiencies before they’re even 25. He’s a guy you take and worry about position fit later, you want a head hunter.
@Herschel posted:If Rodgers showed anything he would have gotten more plays, especially when Cobb was out injured. He didn’t.
Only if King Rodgers allowed it.
We need something out of Amari. He’s gotta make a big jump in year 2.
How's this for a deep draft? I used Jameson Williams as trade bait for a desperate Falcons team and got three picks for #22...
And, yes...I took a punter in the 5th round...but this guy's no ordinary punter...I traded up in the 7th to pick Jones as a return man with some WR/gadget upside. Personally, I don't think he'll last 'til the 7th round in this draft, but who knows? You could put him there in the 5th round instead of the punter...lol Araiza's someone to consider, though.
@Grave Digger posted:I'm pegging
Wrong forum
Everyone deals with Hank’s absence in their own way.
@Pakrz posted:We need something out of Amari. He’s gotta make a big jump in year 2.
I blame his piss poor PR performance on DrayMo...he got zero coaching.
Bistecca will coach him up.
People think ST is fucking easy...there is an art to it and it takes a special person to coach it well. I know an excellent ST coach in the college ranks and I've talked to him about it PR/KR at length. He has always said there are two things going on in a return...the blocking and return guy. The return guy has to just read and react. He can't be worrying about whether or not the block is going to be there...and lots of times, the block may not be there when he sees it, but that's not to say the block won't be there when it's supposed to be...and the truly great returners don't flinch when they are not supposed to, but know when to make an adjustment on the fly.
We may not be #1 in ST in the league, but we will be damn better than dead last...because Bistecca knows how ST works.
Now that is just one aspect Amari must bring to the table...but it's also time for him to show he can replace Cobb...because chances are Cobb ain't making it an entire season healthy.
Yep - these days I’m a Pickens fan first.
and he had terrible qb’s
Matt LaFleur has been an ELITE schemer of offense in his time in Green Bay, top-3 every year in open WR % and wide-open WR % with just one plus plus route runner.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) April 8, 2022
Look at Kyle Shanahan too. He creates space for athletes to be athletes.
Yup...scheme means a lot in this offense. That's why I have hope for Amari. This isn't the "just find a way to get open" offense of McVince.
Sometimes it doesn't matter how wide open you are if Rodgers won't throw you the ball. But that problem may be solved now that Adams is a Raider.
There is a short vid out there of just his blocking reps where he decleats the DB on him.
Pierce and Watson are more athletic than either one. I guess the question would be how polished a receiver are they.
A duo of of Pickens & Pierce/Watson would be intriguing.
@Chongo posted:Yup...scheme means a lot in this offense. That's why I have hope for Amari. This isn't the "just find a way to get open" offense of McVince.
True. Yet for some reason the offense took a step back last year. Maybe other teams figured something out or #12 was locked onto Adams. This year without him we need receivers who can get open and catch. I did not see a lot of separation from Amari. Maybe that will change after a year of coaching. I like the aforementioned receivers that others have listed in the draft. I would not be surprised if they surpass Amari in production. Cobb is at the end of his production value so, down the road, Amari might be the guy to take on that role. Yet we need perimeter WR’s this year. There are some good ones listed above from other posters in this forum.
PFF's WR Rankings. You might be able to read this without a subscription.
Interesting what he says about the Pack and OBJ
I'm wary of any WR with the last name of Moore.
Beckham's probably too expensive, and coming off that ACL, isn't he?
Here's another take on the WR's...
The more tape I watch of Watson the more I want him on the Packers. He can do it all...deep routes, jet sweeps, and kick returns. I'm not even worried about the intermediate routes....and he looks good in Green & Gold...
