I guess that it has been brought up before but if a quality player is injured before the draft and drops down the order, then is it worth it to choose him over other men who are camp ready? It seems that if the team has a “win now” philosophy then they pass but a smart GM would snatch up that player and consider it a bargain.
@PackerPatrick posted:I guess that it has been brought up before but if a quality player is injured before the draft and drops down the order, then is it worth it to choose him over other men who are camp ready? It seems that if the team has a “win now” philosophy then they pass but a smart GM would snatch up that player and consider it a bargain.
If you are talking about a guy like Ojabo and his torn Achilles, I'd pass, if you are in win now mode.
I'm not sure win-now excludes some of these injured players if they have a speedy recovery. The point isn't really being ready for TC and winning in the regular season - though that would improve their ability to contribute later. I think the current team can get to the playoffs as is. The impact really needs to come in the playoffs. The real question should be "is this injured player going to be ready to contribute by January?". That could depend on the position they play and how much practice time they can get in before then but I'm not sure I'd pass on a blue chip talent if he can contribute by the end of the season. Easier for a EDGE or IDL, tougher for a WR.
@mrtundra posted:If you are talking about a guy like Ojabo and his torn Achilles, I'd pass, if you are in win now mode.
TT seemed to prefer the long term approach. Gute, not so much. For TT it was build through the draft first and keep the team competitive. As an older fan I have seen the “win now” approach fail for many teams. And even when it works then years of rebuilding often follows. Rookie years are not often productive anyway. Would it not make more sense to get the BPA for the long term success of a team? I am on the fence and willing to listen to the arguments for both sides.
You could make the same argument for Jameson Williams. Would you draft him high, knowing he most likely won't contribute this season? I don't think I would, as much as I might like him as a player.
Here is how the draft room conversation goes.
”I really like this prospect here”
”Is he a wide receiver?”
”yes”
”is it the first round?”
“Yes”
”Pass”
Packers are always in win now mode.
Winning is a habit, unfortunately so is losing.
@mrtundra posted:I can see Gute going WR with both # 22 and #28. Especially now that both Davante and ESB are gone and with MVS's situation unresolved, yet. Then going IDL and O Line with #53 and #59.
I don’t. It seems the Packers’ philosophy has been to look at picks to avoid direct “value” comparisons, including trading the Favre Jets pick so no player would be “this is who we got for Favre”. It blew up in the Vikings’ face when they selected Williamson with the Moss pick too.
Plus the first round receivers thing.
@mrtundra posted:If you are talking about a guy like Ojabo and his torn Achilles, I'd pass, if you are in win now mode.
Especially if there’s potentially a comparable player available. Ojabo’s a freak,no doubt, but do I risk that Achilles and time frame over Mafe or maybe Travon Walker, for example? I don’t know, but it would be hard.
Per Kiper's latest, Drake London and Chris Olave will be long gone by the time the Packers pick at 22. He has London going 4th overall to NYJ, Garrett Wilson 8th to ATL and Olave going 16th to PHI. Has Pats taking Jameson Williams at 21, but he is at least a year away since he tore his ACL in January.
Kiper has us taking Texas A&M OG Kenyon Green who many have compared to Elgton Jenkins. He then has us taking Arkansas WR Treylon Burks at #28. Burks has fallen because of a poor 40 in the combine. If he is the only choice at 28, Packers may pull the trigger on NDSU's Christian Watson who is way more athletic than Burks, although played at a much smaller school.
It's hard to say...there's always some surprises, and also some real head-scratchers, too. I like Kiper, just to hear him rattle off everybody's names and stats, and what-not, but he's not always right.
One other thing, too...every team has a different board, and player ratings can vary widely from one team to another.
@DH13 posted:Kiper is often wrong.
Much like every mock draft I ever bothered to look at.
Kiper gets more accurate the closer he gets to draft and the more inside information comes through.
I think he got 5 right on his final last year….really 4 because TL was a no brainer for Jax
McGinn and Gosselin are the two guys that usually have the most success in mocking, especially when it comes to Green Bay. Of course they also never release those predictions until right before the draft.
Then there are seemingly always a couple of McTebows.
It is not so much they hit on the exact picks. Rather, they get guys going close to where they forecast them to be.
Yep, most anyone can figure out the top guys within a player or two. It's after about 12-15 it gets interesting.
@Packmeister posted:It's hard to say...there's always some surprises, and also some real head-scratchers, too. I like Kiper, just to hear him rattle off everybody's names and stats, and what-not, but he's not always rarely right after the first 5-10 picks.
One other thing, too...every team has a different board, and player ratings can vary widely from one team to another.
FIFY
Arrigo got 23 of 32 1st rd picks right when he was 12yo.
I am liking the Pickens kid from Ga. Big, fast and athletic. I l also like the Burks kid from Arkansas. Burks supposedly had a bad 40 but I never saw anyone catch him. he reminds me most of Deebo.
Did Fantasyland create its own mock draft machine?
General Managers I’ve seen at Ohio State’s Pro Day:
— StaceyDales (@StaceyDales) March 23, 2022
Martin Mayhew - Commanders
Chris Grier - Dolphins
Joe Schoen - Giants
Brian Gutekunst - Packers
Gutey getting a good look at Olave.
Packers and Chiefs both badly need WRs.
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) March 23, 2022
Good thing for GB: Packers have picks 22 and 28. Chiefs have 29 and 30.
But Chiefs (50) will pick ahead of Packers (53, 59) in the second round. https://t.co/9o9E5lEuPw
Jesus Christ, is half the 1st round going to be WR?
@michiganjoe posted:General Managers I’ve seen at Ohio State’s Pro Day:
— StaceyDales (@StaceyDales) March 23, 2022
Martin Mayhew - Commanders
Chris Grier - Dolphins
Joe Schoen - Giants
Brian Gutekunst - PackersGutey getting a good look at Olave.
go watch wilson and don't discount a move UP to get him, this guys is ridiculous too. very natural catcher and smooth, not olave route running but he's smoov.
OSU also has OT Petit-Frere, TE Ruckert and Edge Tyreke Smith they may be interested in.
I am sure Gutey is checking out the 3 other prospects as well...all three are need positions for the Packers.
@DH13 posted:Kiper is often wrong but nobody cares.
So was Mike Mayok. The Raiders cared. I thought it was a dumb move to hire a tv analyst as a gm, but I was definitely interested to see how it worked out.
@Pikes Peak posted:I think he got 5 right on his final last year….really 4 because TL was a no brainer for Jax
It seemed like it. We’ll see how much improvement he shows under real coaching, but not so impressive just yet.
Agreed, but there was no way he was not the first choice.
@Pikes Peak posted:Agreed, but there was no way he was not the first choice.
True, that’s who I would have picked in their situation. Hope it works out for the kid.
@DH13 posted:So we'll end up with RD4 talent WR's?
We better not. 😡 I think our first two picks are going to be edge and WR, not necessarily in that order.
@Floridarob posted:I am liking the Pickens kid from Ga. Big, fast and athletic. I l also like the Burks kid from Arkansas. Burks supposedly had a bad 40 but I never saw anyone catch him. he reminds me most of Deebo.
There have been many successful WR’s with not so great 40 times. It’s game speed that you look for. Trust what you see on game day and on tape. Production, baby!
@Herschel posted:Yep, most anyone can figure out the top guys within a player or two. It's after about 12-15 it gets interesting.
Shit for me, maybe I can figure out the first two. Sometimes not even that. Makes it even harder now when so many teams are giving away draft picks.