Terrion is a home run pick. You don't think he's worth that?
@Boris posted:... I also wonder if Gutey is "hiding" a player like TT used to do (Jordy)More here.....
That is a good story, but why would Ted hide a player from his own war room guys?
Unless he thought the night janitor was working for Belichick?
I don't know. But that seems like a lot to give up to get him. The more picks you have the better the chance to get an impact player. We see time and time again where a team puts all it's eggs so to speak in one basket. And when the handle on the basket breaks it all goes to hell. Be it the draft or making trades or signing free agents. Stand pat, draft and develop, that has been the Packer way for last 20 years and it has worked pretty good.
@Satori posted:In one of the articles at The Athletic, they interviewed GMs and personnel guys and they were all asked about DeJean. One of the responses was:
" Corner/ Safety - doesn't really matter. You bring Cooper in and figure it out once you get your hands on him "Gute wants versatile, Hafley wants versatile. Hafley doesn't concern himself as much with traditional positions as he does with roles...and DeJean can play all of the roles regardless of what "position" you call him on any given play.
I know some have called Cooper a zone CB and a poor fit for what Hafley wants to do and there's certainly merit in that view. But I'm leaning away from the position-based evals and back towards the idea of taking a swiss army knife for the secondary.
Apparently, that's very appealing to the Packers front office and coaches.
"It had better be a player that you wouldn't normally get a chance at"
Is DeJean that guy ? Opinions varyWe'll all find out sometime on Thursday evening
I'm starting to warm to the idea that pick 1.25 is an ok spot for DeJean. Aside from playing defense, he immediately becomes the team's punt returner and with the new kickoff rules, maybe put him and Nixon on the field together on kickoffs and virtually guarantee a 40-yard line starting position for the offense.
@ammo posted:I don't know. But that seems like a lot to give up to get him. The more picks you have the better the chance to get an impact player. We see time and time again where a team puts all it's eggs so to speak in one basket. And when the handle on the basket breaks it all goes to hell. Be it the draft or making trades or signing free agents. Stand pat, draft and develop, that has been the Packer way for last 20 years and it has worked pretty good.
Except for when they trade up which has been common with Gutey.
This is first round only but he's actively traded every year after the first round as well.
Traded down, then traded back up for Jaire - home run
Traded up for Savage - oof
Traded up for Love - home run
I want as many bullets in the revolver as possible. That's my philosophy
I don't disagree with the wide net philosophy but we also know if Gutey really wants someone he doesn't sit on his hands and hope. If Arnold makes it past the low teens Gutey is gonna be on the phone.
@R MaN posted:I want as many bullets in the revolver as possible. That's my philosophy
You get more bullets in a pistol.
I read recently Denver is trying to trade up for a QB? As are a few other teams.
Also read a mock today that had DeJean going at pick 22. Something tells me if Gutey wants DeJean or a preferred OL he is going to have to trade up 4 to 6 spots.
Why would they trade Bo Melton? I mean it's not impossible but that would actually surprise me.
@Satori posted:In one of the articles at The Athletic, they interviewed GMs and personnel guys and they were all asked about DeJean. One of the responses was:
" Corner/ Safety - doesn't really matter. You bring Cooper in and figure it out once you get your hands on him "Gute wants versatile, Hafley wants versatile. Hafley doesn't concern himself as much with traditional positions as he does with roles...and DeJean can play all of the roles regardless of what "position" you call him on any given play.
I know some have called Cooper a zone CB and a poor fit for what Hafley wants to do and there's certainly merit in that view. But I'm leaning away from the position-based evals and back towards the idea of taking a swiss army knife for the secondary.
Apparently, that's very appealing to the Packers front office and coaches.
"It had better be a player that you wouldn't normally get a chance at"
Is DeJean that guy ? Opinions varyWe'll all find out sometime on Thursday evening
I still don't see the role, to be honest. Against the dregs if the league, sure, whatever, but when you're facing elite competition, which they expect to be, guys who don't fit usually get exposed. Guys like Mike McDaniel, Sean McVay and Andy Reid are very good at scheming guys to exploit weak links, and QBs like Mahomes and Allen will gut a weak spot in the playoffs.
@Packmeister posted:I love the first 5. I have doubts Jaylen Wright lasts until pick 91. He could go in the 2nd round to somebody.
Another interesting item. During all this draft build up, I don't think I've seen one mock showing Gute picking a qb. Gute has spoke openly about wanting to draft a qb, ideally in each draft. Gotta believe he has his eyes on one for back up to Clifton.
Yet another item (this one for me). A guy sitting out there who is an absolute game changer .... is the Iowa punter. 1st team all-American. This kid flips the field nearly every time he goes out there. He was a HUGE component of IA's high ranking defense the last couple years. It's a helluva lot harder for offenses to drive 80 or 90 yards than 60.
I know the Packers have a good punter now, but this kid could really be a weapon. Take a flyer on him in the 5th or 6th. He's that good.
@Herschel posted:I still don't see the role, to be honest. Against the dregs if the league, sure, whatever, but when you're facing elite competition, which they expect to be, guys who don't fit usually get exposed.
The role is certainly at the heart of the debate for teams - and they each have a slightly different answer. Which is why you see him anywhere from 15 to 32
Philly is in the market for a CB/S and I'm reasonable sure Vic Fangio would love to have such a chess piece at pick # 22
Based on your comments - DeJean doesn't fit what you expect and want out of a 1st round DB.
What I'm suggesting is the tiny, remote, but non-zero chance that you're rong in that assessment... 
Nobody is denying Cooper's limitations, there's just a lot of different ways you can utilize him. Hiring a DC with a serious DB background seems the perfect way to maximize his strengths and limit his shortcomings.
55 hours to go...
Sure, and in a Fangio defense with a lot of zone misdirection, he'd seem a much more natural fit. He has that natural skill set to excel in that type of scheme. Heck, he might have helped Barry's defense seem almost functional.
I think DBs can be pretty scheme dependent. Look no further than Micah Hyde. As a slot/star/robber, he was pretty rubbish, but in Buffalo where he played a lot of two-high and zone, he was very good. I also think that's what makes drafting DBs so interesting.
Take Kamari Lassiter from Georgia. In the right scheme, probably zone, he might be pretty good, but in another, likely man heavy, he could really struggle. Mike McKenzie was the opposite. The guys who can do both well are relatively rare and usually go well before the Packers usual picks.
Going back a bit, the adage was in Tampa-2 style zone defenses, you didn’t need to take corners as early but you’d better invest in a middle and weak-side linebacker who can really move.
Find a way to pick Cooper DeJean (from Heaven) AND Edgerrin (fucking) Cooper. and Jaylen (rong) Wright and Jermaine(iac) Burton.
Chongoe and I also like Ricky (the dragon) Pearsall, Braden Fiske , Zack Zinter and the sconnie dum dum C. Shipley and Punt King Tory Taylor.
@DurangoDoug posted:I read recently Denver is trying to trade up for a QB? As are a few other teams.
Also read a mock today that had DeJean going at pick 22. Something tells me if Gutey wants DeJean or a preferred OL he is going to have to trade up 4 to 6 spots.
Trading up only 6 spots is quite do-able. Is that a word ..where's my editor? 😊
mute point to worri about spelling sentence structure and punctuation around hear
An little reminder that Gutekunst's first-round draft history shows how few are expected to be day-1 starters unless they're basically desperate at the position and are instead traits guys with high upside.
Gary: 16 games, 0 starts
Savage: 14 games, 14 starts
Love: 0 games, 0 starts
Stokes: 16 games, 14 starts
Walker: 17 games, 16 starts
Wyatt: 16 games, 0 starts
Van Ness: 17 games, 0 starts
Meat me later for a speleng sezshun
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With the 25th pick in the ESPN NFL Nation mock draft, the Packers select: pic.twitter.com/0x0o8r3FPU
Yeah my niece (and all the other kids) are no longer being taught cursive writing skills. Very disheartening.
Good to see the guys having some fun
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@lovepack posted:Is it Thursday yet?
Not yet and it can't come soon enough. But, I am already preparing for the commercial break when the Packers pick.
@PackerHawk posted:Terrion is a home run pick. You don't think he's worth that?
Can you imagine Terrion paired with Jaire? Those two, paired with McKinney, our secondary is set, for years to come.
@Boris posted:Yeah my niece (and all the other kids) are no longer being taught cursive writing skills. Very disheartening.
That's been a thing for years now. My wife works with a few gen-Z college grads who can't ready cursive much less write it.
Then again, I remember my older sister learning shorthand in HS. Times a changin'.
@ammo posted:This is why I don't believe in PFF.
Is this the 2023 version??
Other than the Texans it looks like it.
I like flying below the radar.
Are the Eagles penciling in a win over the Packers in Brazil? How many teams on the Packer schedule are penciling in a win over the Packers? That's the real test of "power ranking"
The Bears fans are penciling in the two wins over Green Bay for sure. Haven't you heard, they have a top 3 defense and probably the best QB to ever come of college. He may never lose a game. Meanwhile over in Vikings world some of their clowns are dismissing Jordan Love as nothing special. They just got "lucky" last year. Vikings are top ten team. Even Cowherd put them in his top ten. They don't have a QB but that doesn't even matter to Cowherd. You got to love the fans of those two franchises. Delusional as ever.
I've seen JB mocked to the Packers a lot...not happening at 5'10"...don't care how fast he is. Unless it's R5 or lower.
@Iowacheese posted:Find a way to pick Cooper DeJean (from Heaven) AND Edgerrin (fucking) Cooper. and Jaylen (rong) Wright and Jermaine(iac) Burton.
Chongoe and I also like Ricky (the dragon) Pearsall, Braden Fiske , Zack Zinter and the sconnie dum dum C. Shipley and Punt King Tory Taylor.
Always love listening to #68...I'm not fully convinced RB is the priority for Gute that it is for the fans. Not sure those of us hoping for a Jaylen Wright or Trey Benson are going to see it happen...if the Packers address RB, probably going ot be R5 or later, and maybe someone like a Purdue's Tyrone Tracy...