On to the Saints ?

Less Montgomery and more Jones.

^^^ This. 

I'd like to see Montgomery and Jones back there at the same time with some read-option.

Bennett - LT - LG - Linsley - Evans - RT - Kendricks - Adams

Hundley - Montgomery - Jones

They can also motion Monty out

They need to let Monty run out of the I like they did with Jones. It's all be sweeps out of shotgun and those runs are difficult to get a RB in rhythm. I'd like to see our running game simplify some, get back to basics. That plays to the strengths of these RBs, but also potentially our OL who possibly could be starting 5 Guards. 

I'm excited to see what Hundley can do. McCarthy is a creative OC and will have a good gameplan for our O. It won't be an easy gameplan for Hundley either, I know MM has expectations that BH can execute a complex offense and he should. BH has been her 3 years, the gameplan shouldn't have to be dumbed down or simplified. As exciting as Rodgers is and as successful as he is, it's almost become an expectation that he will put up points. Not that I want Rodgers out or don't like the success he brings, but I like the change up, makes football exciting. 

Grave Digger posted:

I'm excited to see what Hundley can do. McCarthy is a creative OC and will have a good gameplan for our O. It won't be an easy gameplan for Hundley either, I know MM has expectations that BH can execute a complex offense and he should. BH has been her 3 years, the gameplan shouldn't have to be dumbed down or simplified. As exciting as Rodgers is and as successful as he is, it's almost become an expectation that he will put up points. Not that I want Rodgers out or don't like the success he brings, but I like the change up, makes football exciting. 

I was thinking the same.  Once you accept or adjust your expectations that this is no longer an AR offense, it's exciting to see what BH can do - and what MM can do with him.  It just sucks that he has to sit behind some gunny sacks of an OL for his baptism.  MM is usually at his best after a bye or coming into the playoffs.  Execution seems crisper and there seems to be a stronger focus and urgency among the roster.  They may not beat a NO team that hung a fitty on DET but they at least need to show some signs of life.  That's what I'll be looking for Sunday, if not coming out of the bye.  

Certainly not having Rodgers on offense should change how everyone (OFF/DEF, players, coaches) approaches the next opponent.

It better

Agreed with the Monty and Jones in the backfield together I think that would really make a defense think.

Question about Monty, maybe I'm wrong but he just seems to be going down easier this year on first contact then last and not to forget the non contact non TD?  For a WR I'd have though he'd be better at keeping his feet.

The dropped / stumbling non-TD looked like lost concentration to me. A score there ties the game, and without AR, that would have been huge. He seemed to be looking for the GL before actually securing the ball.

Grave Digger posted:

As exciting as Rodgers is and as successful as he is, it's almost become an expectation that he will put up points. Not that I want Rodgers out or don't like the success he brings, but I like the change up, makes football exciting. 

Not for me.   Interesting, though?  Yes.  

Hundley for Rodgers is like Daniel Day-Lewis being replaced by Daniel Radcliffe.

Barking Pumpkin posted:

Hundley for Rodgers is like Daniel Day-Lewis being replaced by Daniel Radcliffe.

He at least bears some resemblance to #12…

Because he's white?

Barking Pumpkin posted:

Not for me.   Interesting, though?  Yes.  

Hundley for Rodgers is like Daniel Day-Lewis being replaced by Daniel Radcliffe.

Maybe, maybe it will be like going from Brett Favre to Matt Hasselbeck or Mark Brunell. Not saying Hundley is destined to becoming a good QB like either of those guys, but there's a lot to like with Hundley. He made some mistakes against MIN, but he was also in basically the worst case scenario for a backup QB to come into...facing a good defense, OL in shambles, WRs dropping passes, no running game. Lets see what he does when he's prepared, things aren't so chaotic, and he has some timing down with receivers. Could end up being closer to Daniel Day-Lewis being replaced by Denzel Washington. 

GBFanForLife posted:

Because he's white?

Grave Digger posted:

Not that I want Rodgers out or don't like the success he brings, but I like the change up, makes football exciting. 

That is like saying skip the knockout gas and let's try that colon scope wide awake.  It makes things exciting.

Anybody try this yet?

Looks like little Teddy.

Watching Brissett last night, made me feel a little better about Hundley and maybe expect a little more out of him once he gets some games under his belt.

They are similar QBs, both 5th rounders. Brissett has been in the league less and was just traded recently. Hundley has been in the NFL for 3 years now and has and is studying under Rodgers. 

Then i run across this : "

RatPack posted:

Grave Digger posted:

Not that I want Rodgers out or don't like the success he brings, but I like the change up, makes football exciting. 

That is like saying skip the knockout gas and let's try that colon scope wide awake.  It makes things exciting.

Anybody try this yet?

I have had a colonoscopy without knockout gas.  My old man passed a few months prior to my last 'scopy, and he never went under for his so I paid homage to his manliness.  His reasons for not going under were he was not to be bothered with someone waiting around just to drive him home afterward.   My GE tried profusely to get me to reconsider, even going so far as stressing he'd had many Seals try it and bail out mere moments after starting.  I told him, "Sir, I ain't no Seal, sir!"  ;o)  YMMV, but for me it was no big deal, just two 6-8 second periods of 6 outta 10 level pressure build-up pain.

It's pretty cool watching the insides of your guts on TV!

"YMMV, but for me it was no big deal, just two 6-8 second periods of 6 outta 10 level pressure build-up pain."

so, kinda like rewatching last weeks game?

Sound like a normal Friday nite in Minneapolis....at the Gay Ninties that is.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.

"We're not going to play like that no more."

So why were you playing like that all this time?

So they going to play like that more?  

Shouldn't it have been..."We ain't gonna play like that no more, not"

Thanks for correcting that, Borat.

When the oline and defensive backfield aren't in shambles get back to me.  

Would not be surprised to see the Saints hang 40+ on this Packer team in its current state.

PackLandVA posted:

Would not be surprised to see the Saints hang 40+ on this Packer team in its current state.

Their DEFENSE scored a big chunk last weekend, not the O. Watch and wait.

Fumble recovery in end zone and two pick sixes. That's 21 points.

Then we need 41...lets roll

Grave Digger posted:

They need to let Monty run out of the I like they did with Jones. It's all be sweeps out of shotgun and those runs are difficult to get a RB in rhythm. I'd like to see our running game simplify some, get back to basics. That plays to the strengths of these RBs, but also potentially our OL who possibly could be starting 5 Guards. 

2 weeks ago I noticed when Jones was running sweeps to the outside, those plays were going nowhere. Once they started running plays that had him going North/South, his production went way up.
This should be the plan going forward, IMHO.

Timmy! posted:

Grave Digger posted:

They need to let Monty run out of the I like they did with Jones. It's all be sweeps out of shotgun and those runs are difficult to get a RB in rhythm. I'd like to see our running game simplify some, get back to basics. That plays to the strengths of these RBs, but also potentially our OL who possibly could be starting 5 Guards. 

2 weeks ago I noticed when Jones was running sweeps to the outside, those plays were going nowhere. Once they started running plays that had him going North/South, his production went way up.
This should be the plan going forward, IMHO.

What I don't understand is, we're amateurs. This is not our job. Why are paid, professional COACHES not noticing things like this?

Probably because they can't hear us calling plays. And if we did call plays, does anyone here really think they could call an entire game better, week in and week out? This year MM has done a much, much better job calling plays. Tough to call a great running play every time, especially when the OL is a wreck. 

Going forward will really be a test of MM's coaching ability. We already know Dom does less with more than most other DCs, but now we're about to find out if MM can do more with a less-than-stellar QB and a ravaged OL.

Adding QB depth

Have to have someone else in the wings, just in case. 

Those sweeps out of shotgun aren’t an inept stab at running the ball, they’re it’s all a cat and mouse to manipulate Safeties and LBs. Those runs make the defense move laterally and they make Safeties cheat down and outside, opening that seem in the middle. I think, more often than not, those big post plays to Jordy over the middle are set up by those futile lateral runs. The reason they ran less of that stuff against Dallas is the Tampa 2, that MLB dropping deeper takes away some of those intermediate/deep middle throws AND if you don’t have Brian Urlacher in the middle then it opens up some opportunities in the run game...hence all the back shoulder throws attacking the boundaries and all the outside zone and off tackle runs. I wouldn’t say those sweeps are sacrificial plays, but they are plays that serve a greater purpose.

The problem in our current situation is that Hundley NEEDS a running game to be help him out, Rodgers didn’t necessarily need it. I would anticipate we get more running plays that are conducive to having a successful running game and less cat and mouse.

YATittle posted:

What I don't understand is, we're amateurs. This is not our job. Why are paid, professional COACHES not noticing things like this?

a - the other coaches get paid too

b - vikes are a pretty good d

YATittle posted:

PackLandVA posted:

Would not be surprised to see the Saints hang 40+ on this Packer team in its current state.

Their DEFENSE scored a big chunk last weekend, not the O. Watch and wait.

Fumble recovery in end zone and two pick sixes. That's 21 points.

Brees (with Payton as HC) has played Packers 5 times and is averaging 39.8 points/game.  At Lambeau, he's averaging 34.67 points/game.  The Packers D is very banged up and they don't have a reliable QB to control the ball when the Packers on offense. 

Not trying to be pessimistic or have a doom boner, but the Packers are a shell of the team they thought they'd be fielding, on both sides of the ball.  Even ST is missing a proven LS.

Unless Hundley is Watson-spectacular, I see it being a blow out.

No way the Giants should have beaten the Broncos.

PackLandVA posted:

Not trying to be pessimistic or have a doom boner,

Where is El-ka-doom-boner?

Grave Digger posted:

Those sweeps out of shotgun aren’t an inept stab at running the ball, they’re it’s all a cat and mouse to manipulate Safeties and LBs. Those runs make the defense move laterally and they make Safeties cheat down and outside, opening that seem in the middle. I think, more often than not, those big post plays to Jordy over the middle are set up by those futile lateral runs. The reason they ran less of that stuff against Dallas is the Tampa 2, that MLB dropping deeper takes away some of those intermediate/deep middle throws AND if you don’t have Brian Urlacher in the middle then it opens up some opportunities in the run game...hence all the back shoulder throws attacking the boundaries and all the outside zone and off tackle runs. I wouldn’t say those sweeps are sacrificial plays, but they are plays that serve a greater purpose.

The problem in our current situation is that Hundley NEEDS a running game to be help him out, Rodgers didn’t necessarily need it. I would anticipate we get more running plays that are conducive to having a successful running game and less cat and mouse.

Here's the problem with a scrub oline.  You're limiting your passing game already just protecting/chipping on the line.  RBs and TEs become protection and with Hundley being the backup I'm pretty damn sure every defense is going to tee off on the run as well as sending the house on passing plays.  Hundley basically needs to get comfortable and ballsy right off the bat to give the run game some breathing room.  If the oline wasn't a complete wreck then maybe we could talk about implementing a normal rushing scheme.  I bet we see Ripkowski in there as much as Jones and Monty.  The Packers aren't going to win a battle of attrition.  Hundley needs to let it rip and MM needs to facilitate a reasonable scheme to do it.

Hundley might be better off in a simpler offense with fewer options for a game or two rather than too many options until he gets up to game-day speed. Using a two- or even three-TE offense or a FB could help keep him upright, help the running game a bit, use slants, WR screens, etc., and keep things simple for Hundley. Once he's up to speed in a couple games, then open things up with more options. Plus I think the team needs to take a deep breath, step back, and establish a new identity. Don't rush or panic now.