Packer draft pick targets

Not a target... dumdum.

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OSU OT Mike Adams reportedly tested positive for marijuana at the Combine. That answers the question that scouts have had about him & drugs

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Breaking news: a really good football player thinks he's really good!!!! #itstheweekofthedrafteveryonecalmdown

http://www.profootballweekly.c...irst-round-instincts

Also a small school prospect from Tony Pauline:

Adrian Hamilton, DE/OLB, Prairie View: The Texas Tech transfer quietly had one of the most dominant seasons of any defensive player on the college field in 2011. Hamilton totaled 81 tackles, 24.5 tackles for loss plus an eye-popping 22 sacks. He's a forceful athlete who beats opponents around the edge with quickness or defeats blocks with brute strength. Hamilton still needs to fine tune his game, but his pass rushing skills have teams such as the Houston Texans and Green Bay Packers on his trail.

Collins, Jennings and CMIII were early round reaches. Brohm, Harrell, and Lee were great early round value. That sums it up pretty well.

The NFL has done a great job of marketing the NFL draft as the second biggest NFL event in the year, but it's also brought a lot of guys that don't know jack about player evaluation to the forefront. If Kiper knew a damn about player evaluation, he'd be working the NFL. I have a little more respect for guys like McShay b/c they were a part of Scouts, Inc., who before ESPN bought them, was hired for scouting work by NFL franchises. But again, if any of these guys were any good at player evaluation, an NFL franchise would give them millions. Nevertheless, it's still fun as hell to read those mocks.

CM3 was not a reach. I recall him listed in the top 15-20 in numerous rankings - Casserly, G.Brandt, and DraftHQ are 3 IIRC.

It wasn't the slot that was the reach, it was the trade to get to that slot that peopl were freaking out over.

Just based on what I've read, the name I keep coming back to is Derek Wolfe.

Busting at the seams rookies?

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Originally posted by Coach:
Just based on what I've read, the name I keep coming back to is Derek Wolfe.

With the 2nd round selection? or the 1st rounder?

Boris, I think 2nd: http://packerchatters.com/?p=30195

That Mock draft was made April 23rd. Coach's post was on the 21st.

Also the mocker (Bob Fox) forgot about our regular 4th round pick or did he just decide to throw that one away & give the rest of the NFL a chance?

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by CUPackFan:
I'd be pissed if they drafted Weedon. Just my opinion, but Weedon doesn't help this team win the Super Bowl and they have too many holes to draft a backup QB in the second round.

You sound like Brett Favre in 2005. He was also wrong.

Comparison fails in major areas. Brett was an old guy seeing his team draft his eventual replacement. Drafting Weeden would be finding a guy early, who will never be your starter. He is not in a position where he will be the younger player to replace a veteran near the end of his career. The value of a back-up relies on seeing a possibility that he will eventually be the starter or is worth trading to be a starter somewhere else. Weeden does not really offer either of these. He is two months older than Rodgers and has never played a snap in the NFL. The value of drafting a guy like that in the second round, if you are the Packers, is just not that high. I see us picking up a QB somewhere, but not there in round 2.

Peter King>MONDAY MORNING QB: "Write it down," said a good personnel man. "Ted Thompson's taking help for Clay Matthews." A bookend pass-rusher, in other words, so Matthews sees less double-teaming in 2012 and beyond ...

No kidding.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...4/22/mmqb/index.html

I think TT might have some interest in Mike Brewster, center from Ohio State, later in the draft if available. Maybe a mid-round pick.

Mike Brewster

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Originally posted by Boris:

Also the mocker (Bob Fox) forgot about our regular 4th round pick or did he just decide to throw that one away & give the rest of the NFL a chance?

Neither. Just glanced at it...he has the Pack trading their 4th to move up to get McClellin. JJSD is really gonna be on the verbal assault now

All kidding aside, I really like Wolfe. He has a tremendous motor. Not sure what his value would be round wise.

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Originally posted by Packdog:
he has the Pack trading their 4th to move up to get McClellin. JJSD is really gonna be on the verbal assault now

and I would be extremely excited about that.

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Peter King>MONDAY MORNING QB: "Write it down," said a good personnel man. "Ted Thompson's taking help for Clay Matthews." A bookend pass-rusher, in other words, so Matthews sees less double-teaming in 2012 and beyond ...

No kidding.

Is he going to trade up and grab a guy like Chandler Jones?

Zeitler at 28?

A good article by Packer Update. I wouldn't have a problem if Uncle Ted took Zeitler at 28 if there was no clear cut first round defensive talent available.

Not only would it be a good move toward the future of center/guard but you can kick Lang out to RT with Newhouse and let Buluga and Sherrod compete at LT.

Wouldn't be opposed one bit to taking Zeitler if they thought he could convert to Center. Take Zeitler, let him learn under Saturday for a year, maybe 2 and I bet you would get a heck of a Center. Re-sign Lang for the future and that OLine is looking REALLY good for many years. That's the kind of line where you can plug almost any RB in and have a successful run game.

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Originally posted by Boris:
With the 2nd round selection? or the 1st rounder?

I'd be thrilled with him in the 2nd round (similar to Cobb last year).

I obviously don't know how the Packers view him in relation to other players. From what I've read, I think he'd be a good fit. That opinion, and two bucks will get you a double (calling it "doppio" is dum) expresso at Starbucks.

If they did take Wolfe in the 1st, I think there would be at least a bit of a backlash as some don't see him as a first round pick. TT wouldn't care.

TT has signed (and now re-signed) veteran depth for both the DL and OLB positions. Until Walden was back on board, the preponderence of the speculation was that it would be an OLB since more competition has already been brought in on the DL. Could still be, but no longer a given.

The overall defense was better, and the existing group of OLBs not named Matthews played better when they had an end opposite CMIII with pass rush ability. That was supposed to be Neal, and with Neal's suspension the next guy up could be Wolfe. Adding Wolfe would also allow Pickett to get some rotational early down snaps at NT and reduce Raji's workload and keep him fresher for rushing the passer.

With the suspension of Neal, if Pakrz' man crush, Wolfe, or some other DL player not currently part of this discussion that he likes better (or the players are rated approximately even) my speculation is that TT will opt for the DL over an LB.

My speculation as to what is going to happen under the three possible (static) scenarios:

1. Trade up: It'll be for an AL LB.

2. Stay put: Take one of the above mentioned names if available (including possibly Wolfe), or p*ss off the many fans (which TT has shown he is not fearful of doing) and draft another OL.

3. Trade down: Result will be a 2nd round OLB/DL (or two: one of each) and a guy like Zeitler.

Time will tell.

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Originally posted by sschumer:
Peter King>MONDAY MORNING QB: "Write it down," said a good personnel man. "Ted Thompson's taking help for Clay Matthews." A bookend pass-rusher, in other words, so Matthews sees less double-teaming in 2012 and beyond ...

No kidding.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...4/22/mmqb/index.html

That's before the resigning of Waldo. We're good at OLB now.

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Originally posted by Pakrz:
That's before the resigning of Waldo. We're good at OLB now.

"Though it probably won’t impact what they do in the draft, the Green Bay Packers will have their entire group of right outside linebackers back. On Monday, they re-signed Erik Walden, who shared time at the spot last season with Brad Jones and Frank Zombo. Still, it’s a good bet the Packers will draft an outside linebacker, possibly with their first-round pick."

http://packersnews.greenbaypre...pnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Man, reading this, I don't think I want Worthy, Still, Reyes or any DL likely to be available at 28.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...4vq6u-148607145.html

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...4vq70-148607175.html

What would you think if Green Bay was able to trade next years #1, a #3 and #5 this year to Cleveland for the 22nd pick in the draft. Green Bay uses #'s 22 , 28 and their second on rush linebacker, corner/safety and d-lineman?
Would you do it? How about Cleveland or Green Bay?

Cleveland wouldn't do it. They find your proposed trade comical.

Why? They get 3 for one and a leg up next year.

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What would you think if Green Bay was able to trade next years #1

You can stop right there. No way this ever happens. No way.

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Originally posted by Johnny Boy:
Why? They get 3 for one and a leg up next year.

Because they are getting ripped off. Next years first is essentially worth a second this year. You are hoping Cleveland forgoes their own needs to trade the first for a late second, third and fifth?


Ted doesn't propose it and Cleveland doesn't listen.

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Originally posted by Johnny Boy:
What would you think if Green Bay was able to trade next years #1, a #3 and #5 this year to Cleveland for the 22nd pick in the draft. Green Bay uses #'s 22 , 28 and their second on rush linebacker, corner/safety and d-lineman?
Would you do it? How about Cleveland or Green Bay?

No.

This year's #2, #3 and #5 (comparable value) doesn't get Cleveland's 2nd-rounder even.

Interesting that almost all reliable draft experts predict the same guy -- Shea McClellin -- to the Packers: JS's Bob McGinn, GBPG's Pete Dougherty, Dallas Morning News' Rick Gosselin, NFL Network's Mike Mayock, ESPN's Mel Kiper, SI's Don Banks, and many others. Don't remember a year where that's happened before.

2006 with AJ Hawk. Of course, it's a lot easier to predict when you're picking in the top 5.

I'm sure that's the way Thompson wants it. Everyone in the world thinks he's going to take this player because he's really going to take someone no one expected.

Or he knows that everyone knows he's going to take someone no one expected and he's going to take McClellin.

Or he knows that everyone knows he knows everyone knows he's going to take McClellin because he knows everyone knows he's going to take someone no one expected and he's going to take someone else.

Brain freeze.

is that you Rumsfeld?

I think this McGinn article http://www.jsonline.com/sports...55nbq-148997525.html does the best job of laying out who the Packers should and will take. Sounds like if not McClellin, then Perry. The Perry preduction is supported by a somewhat interesting take over at PackerChatters: http://packerchatters.com/?p=30305

Wow Patty just made all of that up. What is interesting about that take?

GD, I'm not aware of what's made up and not. What I found interesting was her reference to what she's heard from West Coast Scouting about Perry, and the potential trade down discussed on Sporting News Radio based on some teams possibly wanting to get Doug Martin.

Derek Wolfe, Shea Mcclelin, Devon Still, Nick Perry, Courtney Upshaw, Ronnell Lewis, Bruce Irvin-----

Two out of that group would help the team

I'm aware of what's made up and whats not and it's everything Patty says she "heard from a source". Also I can't for the life of me figure out what "West Coast Scouting" is? I googled it and there's nothing relating to the NFL Draft, the Packers or Nick Perry other than a link to Chatters where Patty is talking about them. Unless it is a print publication that I'm unaware of, sounds like another thing Patty just made up.

Also I don't doubt that teams are wanting to trade up for Doug Martin, that's very possible, but how many times in the last 10 years has a team selected a player and then immediately traded him?

After very little thought process this AM,If in the 1st round, there is a good OLB and a good DE available I'd like TT to select the DE.