Skip to main content

Not exactly rocket science to identify the Packers top needs this off-season (pass rush, pass rush and more pass rush). But curious to get your reaction if after analyzing you see the entire list of needs in priority order similarly or not.

KEY ASSUMPTIONS/CONSIDERATIONS:

Our free agents: Thompson re-signs TE Finley, C Wells (age 31) and loses QB Flynn. Not sure whether he'll sign or let walk HB Grant, NT Green (32), OLB Walden, CB's Bush or Lee, but don't think any have much impact on filling key needs listed below.

Other veterans: Assuming WR Driver (36) and OT Clifton (35) don't return. Only players 30 or older not listed so far are CB Woodson (35) and DE Pickett (32), expecting both to return.

Our injuries: Unfortunately, not expecting S Collins back. Assuming OT Sherrod, HB Green return to full health, TE Quarless perhaps not until mid-season.

Draft picks: As far as I know, we have our own 7, plus a late pick for G Schlauderaff, who was traded to the Jets. Guessing a 7th. For free agents lost -- DE Jenkins, G Colledge, HB Jackson, G Spitz, FB Hall and S Bigby -- guessing for now we conservatively get a 4th, 5th and 7th. Hopefully more. As much as I'm hoping for a sign and trade deal with Flynn, odds seem against it happening. Getting a high #2 though for him would really make our draft.

Other teams' free agents: Maybe Thompson signs a couple of mid-tier fee agents to fill some of the needs below, but for now assuming he'll follow plan of recent years and sign none.

NEEDS IN PRIORITY ORDER (HYPOTHETICAL DRAFT)

1. OLB - We know Thompson loves drafting linemen ("big men") very high, but pass rush is the #1 need by far, and in a 3-4 defense it's the OLBs that are most counted on to provide it, more so than the DEs.. Also, we're arguably a bit stronger/more talented at DE than at OLB. Wouldn't be unhappy with a DE #1 and OLB #2, but prefer -- finally -- drafting Matthews' pass-rushing counterpart as high as possible. Still hopeful a healthy Zombo and youngsters So'oto and/or Lattimore can prove to be quality depth. But none appear to have the potential to be the stud we need at this position. Walden, Jones have proven beyond a doubt they'll never be the answer.

2. DE - Pickett still going strong, but is 32. Hopefully Neal stays healthy, becomes a quality starter. Maybe Guy contributes. Wilson and Wynn seem to be journeymen. Jones an unknown. A huge need.

3. S - Obviously a big need if Collins doesn't return. Even if Woodson moved to S, need a young complement to Burnett. Peprah at best a backup. Maybe Jennings, Levine develop into something. Not counting on it.

4A. QB - Need a talented back-up if Rodgers goes down. Couple of years ago, assumed that would have been Brohm, got lucky with Flynn. Can't bank on another late rounder developing into a quality back-up, so suggesting we spend at least this mid-round pick. Ideally, GB signs a decent veteran backup this year, allowing this rookie to be #3 for a year or two. Expecting recently-signed Hill to make practice squad at best.

4B. C - Even with above assumption of resigning Wells, would be nice to draft his eventual replacement. Dietrich-Smith exceeded expectations, but is not the long-term answer. Guessing neither is Genus.

5A. NT - Need a better back-up to Raji. Green is 32, regressed a bit from 2010. Maybe only spot on roster where key back-up is both below average and over 30.

5B. G - Excellent young starters in Sitton and Lang, but only backup is college free agent Dominguez. Awesome size, maybe he develops.

6. CB - Listed S above as higher priority because we need another starter there. Not so at CB. Even without Woodson, we've got good quality with Williams, Shields and House. If Thompson lets both Bush and Lee leave, we'll have only Ross. Need another CB.

7A. OT - Even with assumption that Clifton doesn't return, very well stocked position with Bulaga, Newhouse and Sherrod -- all young and talented. Campbell and veteran Taylor unknowns as 4th OT. Maybe a 7th rounder proves better than both.

7B. HB - Maybe Grant returns. But top 3 appear to be Starks, Green and Saine. Like Saine's speed, hands. But he was a college FA. Again, maybe a 7th round pick proves better.

7C. ILB - Have read talk of Thompson cutting Hawk, not expecting it. Do expect though for Smith to get more playing time. Bishop very good, and Francois looked pretty good when needed. Could a 7th round pick beat out Francois?

POSITIONS NOT LISTED ABOVE:

WR - Even if Driver doesn't return, we're loaded with Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Cobb, Gurley, Borel.

TE - With assumption we keep Finley, as strong as WR with Williams, Taylor, Crabtree and Quarless backing him up.

FB - Kuhn not great, but very good, certainly proven good enough to win with. Hoese college free agent backup. Could possibly upgrade here, but doing so a true luxury.

PK - Set for years with Crosby.

P - Same as above with Masthay (how nice to finally be able to say that).
Original Post

Replies sorted oldest to newest

Agree the biggest needs are pass rush, both from the OLB and DE. Also need a Safety and CB depth/youth, plus back-up C (or starter if Wells leaves).

I wish I knew where we stand currently on the CAP, as I've heard the CAP number may be relatively unchanged for 2012? As I remember we ended up the year a bit below the CAP but cant recall the approximate number we had remaining.

But as mentioned we'll gain room to sign Finley, Wells, a FA or 2(?) and draft picks if/when Cliffy and DD get cut, ditto Grant. I'd love to keep em all, just cant let sentimentality get in the way of the big picture and whats best long term for the Pack.


Jk, you pretty much got strong analysis. I'll list some prospects I wouldn't mind seeing targeted at each position.

OLB: Vin Curry, Nigel Bradham, Lavonte David, Bruce Irvin, Cam Johnson, Shea McLellin, Nick Perry, Keenan Robinson

DE: Kendall Reyes, Taylor Thompson, Josh Chapman, Mike Daniels, Jared Crick, Fletcher Cox, Trevor Guyton

S: Mark Barron, Bob Lester, Aaron Henry, George Iloka, Trent Robinson, Markelle Martin, Harrison Smith

QB: Kirk Cousins, Russell Martin, Nick Foles, Chandler Harnish, B.J. Coleman

C: Mike Brewster, Jaymes Brooks, Quentin Saulsberry, William Vlachos

NT: Josh Chapman, DaJon Harris, Asa Chapman, Mike Martin, Alameda Ta'amu

G: Tom Compton, Cordell Bell, James Brown, Blake DeChristopher, Alameda Ta'amu, Joe Looney, Ryan Miller, Mitch Schwartz

CB: Donnie Fletcher, Conroy Black, Robert Blanton, Stephon Gilmore, Aaron Henry, Ace Jackson, D'Anton Lynn, Chase Minnifield, Coryell Jude, Tavon Wilson

OT: Jeff Adams, Tony Bergstrom, Marcel Jones, Brandon Mosley, Markus Zusevics

HB: Vick Ballard, Dan Herron, Tauren Poole

ILB: Audie Cole, Tank Carder, Marcus Dowtin, D.J. Holt, Sean Loiseau, Bobby Wagner, Garrick Williams
Vetern back-up Qb is a waste of money and a roster spot. We have Graham Harrell and whatever rookie TT drafts. Name me a vetern back-up QB that has taken a team anywhere in the last 5 years.

Don't see the need for RB but you never know with TT.

All areas of the D need depth and starters in the case of OLB and maybe safety if no Collins. Bush and Peprah can both leave IMHO. Rookies can take their place on special teams.
quote:
All areas of the D need depth and starters in the case of OLB and maybe safety if no Collins. Bush and Peprah can both leave IMHO. Rookies can take their place on special teams.


Disagree. Peprah is a good backup football player and Bush is a ST's ace. I wouldn't break the bank for either one but they have a place on the roster. Besides, Peprah isn't a FA and his salary is manageable at just over 1 million.
quote:
Originally posted by ammo:
I guess we'll agree to disagree Pakrz. Smiler Those 2 are terrible when they have to play full time, especially Peprah. I trust TT can do better, ala Sam Sheilds. He proved rookies can play in nickle/dime situations and be effective.


There's the issue Ammo. Neither player is a starter. They are backup players and there's supposed to be a drop-off when they step on the field. Otherwise they'd be starters. Collins' injury forced Perprah into a starting role all season long. Bush filled in for various injuries as well. Furthermore, the 2010 pass rush was much better than the 2011 version. Peprah was obviously good enough in 2010 but suddenly sucks the following year? Shields, Williams and Woodson all "took a step back" too. That has more to do with no pass rush than anything else.

I get a little miffed when people want to shove guys like Bush out the door and then bitch when the ST's sucks. There's more to the game than offense and defense. ST's plays a significant role in the outcome of football games but you gotta have the players there to get the job done. Bush is one of those guys.
quote:
Originally posted by FinnLander:
I thought Peprah played fine 2 years ago with Collins; last year, not so much.


I would agree with that. Guess a lot easier to look decent playing with a Pro Bowler like Collins than with what was effectively a rookie in Burnett. If Collins returns, we need to improve the depth, draft another S, maybe not high. If Collins doesn't retuen, in my view S becomes one of our top 3 needs.
quote:
Originally posted by heyward:
quote:
Originally posted by Hungry5:
I think these numbers are accurate


That Hawk deal really stands out. What was Ted thinking?


Agreed.

I'm thinking Driver will be willing to take a cut to stay with us. Not sure if Cliffy would, or if he can go another season.

While defense is a huge need, we also need another RB, especially as much as Starks gets hurt. Also, TT is so die-hard BPA in the draft that my fear is that he won't address our biggest needs on defense. Then again, I've never won a Lombardi trophy! ;-)
Agree that our needs are OLB, DL, S and a backup QB but we also know now how TT drafts and acts during the offseason (with the only exceptions of trading-up for Mathews and signing Woodson).

+ He wont sign a big name free agent to boosts our pass rush.

+Will draft BPA in at least the first three rounds, then probably will take shots at big upside players.

+Wont sign a veteran QB as a backup. Will probably draft a QB in rounds 5 to 7 and place him in the PS.

I definetely hope he changes a little bit his strategy this year because the team he has built is just a couple of players away to go all the way for several seasons, just think he wont.
quote:
Originally posted by Packy:
QB in the 4th seems WAY too high. TT will not give up that high a pick. Maybe 6th or 7th round or undrafted. Late pick and coach them up. If Rodgers needs a replacememt for a couple games next season, there will be some out of work QB's to pick from if Harrell is not the answer. No need to waste a 4th???


Packy, you may be right. But it was Thompson who spent a #2 on a back-up QB in Brohm. Just lucky it was his 7th round flier that worked out.
With Flynn most likely gone and Harrell the only backup, I for sure see TT pulling the trigger on a QB early if he lines up on his draft board...and I support that. When you have a staff in place that seems to groom QBs, getting a guy early and then showcasing him only drives up value. Flynn has two very good games under his belt but I still wonder if his draft position still causes concern to some degree.
quote:
Originally posted by Pablo:
quote:
Originally posted by Goalline:
What would TT know about going all the way?


???


That was a nice way of calling you a dumdum. TT built a roster that just won 19 straight games and happened to win the SB last year. He's not immune to criticism, but let's have a little perspective. The guy forgot more about football that all of us combined will ever know. I heard a rumor he was the NFL executive of the year too...
quote:
Originally posted by Pakrz:
quote:
Originally posted by Pablo:
quote:
Originally posted by Goalline:
What would TT know about going all the way?


???


That was a nice way of calling you a dumdum. TT built a roster that just won 19 straight games and happened to win the SB last year. He's not immune to criticism, but let's have a little perspective. The guy forgot more about football that all of us combined will ever know. I heard a rumor he was the NFL executive of the year too...

I know. If you read my post (in english) I say that TT will do what he likes to do and that excludes all the trades, FA signings and all that gossip that every year most people post.
He will follow his own recipe which OBVIOUSLY has worked incredibly well.
Personally would love to have one or two FA signings (as most people do!)
quote:
Originally posted by Pablo:
I know. If you read my post (in english) I say that TT will do what he likes to do and that excludes all the trades, FA signings and all that gossip that every year most people post.
He will follow his own recipe which OBVIOUSLY has worked incredibly well.
Personally would love to have one or two FA signings (as most people do!)


Keep up the good fight. There is a way of doing things around here by a large contingent of posters that is of a "follow" mentally that disregards basic logic. It's a black and white world and either TT does 100% right or 100% rong.
quote:
Originally posted by chickenboy:
quote:
Originally posted by Pablo:
I know. If you read my post (in english) I say that TT will do what he likes to do and that excludes all the trades, FA signings and all that gossip that every year most people post.
He will follow his own recipe which OBVIOUSLY has worked incredibly well.
Personally would love to have one or two FA signings (as most people do!)


Keep up the good fight. There is a way of doing things around here by a large contingent of posters that is of a "follow" mentally that disregards basic logic. It's a black and white world and either TT does 100% right or 100% rong.


Listen to chikky, he's so worldly & wise. Here's his 'go-to-guy'...

Add Reply

×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×