I think the Packers should give Vince Incarnate lifetime employment.
Comparing MM to Belichek and Lombardi. Okay.
I'm seeing a lot of projection and not a lot of roster.
I do believe the horse is dead but do as you may....
Grave Digger posted:
You're just upset I meme'd all over you. My you ladies are delicate.
I'm not sure I understand quite how you feel about Mike McCarthy though. You haven't explained it thoroughly enough. Can you explain with a little more hyperbole and drama though?
Everytime you see a hot girl (or guy), just remember that somewhere there is someone who got sick of them.
Probably because it was only skin deep appeal.
Grave Digger posted:I'm not sure I understand quite how you feel about Mike McCarthy though. You haven't explained it thoroughly enough. Can you explain with a little more hyperbole and drama though?
Absolutely. I found some more.
“You’ve got to make right decisions,” McCarthy said in the radio interview. “Results don’t always prove to be the answer to the right decision. It’s no different than the way we view plays, and this is a conversation Dom and I have all the time. … To me, it’s the team, because you have to be realistic. Every team is different. Some teams have different strengths and weaknesses and it depends on the time of year. That’s why you have to be realistic about your approach.”
If a kid pounding his fist on the carpet doesn't give you perspective, I don't know what will.
Based on comments from Mike McCarthy and Brian Gutekunst today, I'd say both Brett Hundley and DeShone Kizer are going to make the 53-man roster.
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) August 21, 2018
Gutekunst on whether #Packers could keep three QBs: "I come from the school that a quarterback is pretty important. If you've got guys who can play, you want to keep them and develop them."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 21, 2018
Or maybe it's a brilliant ruse by whateverHenrycomesupwithnext. Let's just see how the rest of the league reacts when they find out neither Hundley nor Kizer will be available outside of a trade!
Henry posted:Probably because it was only skin deep appeal.
I bet I could get a whole lot deeper than that, big boy.
michiganjoe posted:If you've got guys who can play, you want to keep them and develop them."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 21, 2018
"can play" and "keep and develop"
Those qualifiers fit Kizer and Boyle more than Hundley. Hundley's ability is what it is, and there has been little if any development. Maybe that changes in the next 2 practice games, but that seems unlikely from what I've seen this year. He looks no different than last year - talking the regular season, not talking practice.
Henry posted:My panties just melted.
Still wearing those mom panties? I love those.
As you watch this and see Hundley complete random passes. Pay attention to score scroll as each game rolls along.
It’s the definition of doing things while not getting anything accomplished.
How Hundley started 5 games at Lambeau and couldn’t throw 1 TD pass with Adams, Jordy, and Cobb is beyond comprehension.
How Hundley started 5 games at Lambeau and couldn’t throw 1 TD pass with Adams, Jordy, and Cobb is beyond comprehension.
This.
Hundley needs the WR open. Standing still. Facing him. While in the pocket. Being the 1st read.
Very good QB numbers in those conditions.
Hungry5 posted:Hundley needs the WR open. Standing still. Facing him. While in the pocket. Being the 1st read.
Very good QB numbers in those conditions.
And why would any club executive not see that and realize that giving up even a conditional draft choice for that could be a fireable offense?
Oh, Wait, Blake Bortles is still in the league.
That's some Lombardi like player evaluation.
Get rid of him 1 year too soon, rather than 1 year too late. 
How's that.... Henry?
Brak posted:Let's just see how the rest of the league reacts when they find out neither Hundley nor Kizer will be available outside of a trade!
"So your telling me Hudley is not available?"
Henry posted:GrainBelt66 posted:
Would Philbin not be recycled?
For me there are 3 coaches I could see having great success. BB, Pederson, and maybe Gruden (Oakland), not his f-ed up brother or whatever in DC.
The Philbin thing was a joke, showing MM and Philbin are cut from the same fail cloth.
Gruden inherits teams and Pedersen hasn't been around long enough and isn't saddled with a QB with a salary. Sounds familiar.
Actually, what I believe I have been seeing in recent years is a head coach being forced to also be an OC and DC. Bennett was a joke as a OC, Capers was no longer a viable option at DC. MM3 was stretching himself to extremes trying to cover 3 positions on the coaching staff. He knew it was his baby and his choices of coordinators. He knows that the buck stops with him. Murphy made him toe the line, hence, Philbin(great OC in my opinion) and Dom is replaced with Pettine ((jury is still out).
i think these two men are vastly better than their predecessors and will allow MM3 to actually focus on only his job.
This is all said knowing that MM3 seems like a micromanager. He now has the proper coordinators in place. Can he just let them do their jobs without involving himself?
if not, then he is a goner.
He always says, ‘we need to trust the process ‘
maybe, he needs to actually trust it rather than just say the words.
Henry, like I said, I am not arguing with you. I see your point. But, my point is that change simply for the sake of change is a fools errand if there is no follow up plan in place.
This is why I asked you who you want instead of MM3.
RoyalWulff posted:GrainBelt66 posted:Henry posted:Oh, and let me add this bee to the bonnet. If Rodgers got upset about losing Van Pelt and has constantly said he endorses MM's playcalling, do you think that wouldn't have an impact of if MM was fired or not? So how do you unseat a guy who hangs onto a turd like Capers if your HOF QB is going to get pissed off with an upcoming contract on the horizon? Why is MM still here?
And no, it's not the entire reason. TT was too soft as well but that's pretty solid reason to put off the decision
Murphy literally had to dismantle the organizational structure which existed under Harlan and there's no knowing why Gee Your Hair Smells Terrific actually landed the GM spot. I'm curious as to how much power he will wield.
So add that to the chicken/egg grabass of TT failing The Wizard and Super OC being stubborn and blah, blah, blah, blah. Go ahead and tell me Rodgers, a hardcore competitor with more than a few brains and opinions, didn't play into the entire equation. Oh yeah, MM is still here.
Game day bucket go boom.
I do not disagree with you, but, who, in your mind is out there to replace him?
Please remember that MM3 is the winningest coach in GB history.
Any coach you name will be ridiculed and, probably, hated by the masses as much as you seem to hate MM3.
Who is out there to replace him?
bitching about him and wanting him replaced is fine by me.
But, please provide an alternative.
Makes me think back to watching the Packers every sunday on tv in the early 60’s. I adored them, but 1 of my 4 brothers got so wrapped up in the action that he would always end up railing against the coach, frequently while pounding his fist on the floor (we usually were lying on the carpet while watching). “Such an idiot! He’s the worst coach ever! They should fire his a** as soon as this game is over. He’s the worst coach in the nfl!” And then invariably, he’d get so miffed that he couldn’t watch anymore, and stormed away. The coach ... of course ... was Vince Lombardi.
Sounds like my pops. You sure you're not my uncle?
GrainBelt66 posted:This is all said knowing that MM3 seems like a micromanager. He now has the proper coordinators in place. Can he just let them do their jobs without involving himself?
if not, then he is a goner.
He always says, ‘we need to trust the process ‘
maybe, he needs to actually trust it rather than just say the words.
Some real possibilities in these statements, IMO.
"Practice what you preach."
"Physician heal thyself. "
I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of the 2 former Coords.
I don't believe Bennett was ever really in charge there.
With Capers, sometimes the method and message will get stale. He has had success, just not recent.
McCarthy absolutely is a micromanager.
GrainBelt66 posted:Henry, like I said, I am not arguing with you. I see your point. But, my point is that change simply for the sake of change is a fools errand if there is no follow up plan in place.
Just for the sake of change? Are you ****ing kidding? You just finished explaining MM picking **** coaches and micromanaging. Yeah, after how many years of this **** it's now "change for the sake of change"? Doesn't sound like Sherman at all.
That is truckload of complete horse****.
Hungry5 posted:GrainBelt66 posted:This is all said knowing that MM3 seems like a micromanager. He now has the proper coordinators in place. Can he just let them do their jobs without involving himself?
if not, then he is a goner.
He always says, ‘we need to trust the process ‘
maybe, he needs to actually trust it rather than just say the words.
Some real possibilities in these statements, IMO.
"Practice what you preach."
"Physician heal thyself. "
I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of the 2 former Coords.
I don't believe Bennett was ever really in charge there.
With Capers, sometimes the method and message will get stale. He has had success, just not recent.
McCarthy absolutely is a micromanager.
Basically we agree then
Henry posted:GrainBelt66 posted:Henry, like I said, I am not arguing with you. I see your point. But, my point is that change simply for the sake of change is a fools errand if there is no follow up plan in place.
Just for the sake of change? Are you ****ing kidding? You just finished explaining MM picking **** coaches and micromanaging. Yeah, after how many years of this **** it's now "change for the sake of change"? Doesn't sound like Sherman at all.
That is truckload of complete horse****.
The truckload of complete *****crap is still the simple fact that you want change for the sake of change.. You are simply railing against the guys in place, you want them gone. But, you are not offering any names or solutions to make things better.
until you offer some kind of feasible answer, I guess I need to let this go.
thanks for not calling me names. You must like me a little bit.....
GrainBelt66 posted:The truckload of complete *****crap is still the simple fact that you want change for the sake of change.. You are simply railing against the guys in place, you want them gone. But, you are not offering any names or solutions to make things better.
until you offer some kind of feasible answer, I guess I need to let this go.
thanks for not calling me names. You must like me a little bit.....
We're just getting started.
You just parroted the same crap I already blew up.
Here's another tidbit for that useless statement that so many hide behind when they are getting roped. I specifically mentioned a coaching candidate like Pettine, a younger, innovative defensive coach since this offense is on autopilot with Rodgers. You could have all the Vince McLardis you want as an OC as long as there is an actual HC managing the team and the coaching staff.
Let's go further, the "let's not make change even though there is a metric **** ton of evidence to MM's incompetence and I have no response as to why it wouldn't make sense because I'M AFRAID OF CHANGE". Boy, that Hundley guy sure is fresh. Glad he's on the roster. I bet we could trade him and 7th for Khalil Mack.
It's like holding onto a pair of tightie whities for 25 years.
I am not afraid of change.n
but change for simply change is disaster. See the Cleveland browns, or maybe the Vikings 10 years ago. Maybe the Chargers?
my point is, and has been, change is ok.
but, who do you want?
if you cannot name a name then it is nothing