Packers Roster Projection

I hadn't heard anything too awful about Lane Taylor so for now I will just assume that he's expected back soon.   I agree though that O-Line depth once again is pretty shaky on this team.  I think Kyle Murphy can be an adequate backup on the right side, but at LT he'd need a lot of help as he is pretty overmatched there.

I had heard a couple of weeks ago from some talking head on the radio that when they watched Spriggs during camp, it looked like he was protecting the leg that was injured last year, almost like he just was dragging the leg instead of using it normally.  He was already a guy who was shaky even when healthy, that injury may have made things even tougher for him going forward. 

There is an interview with Spriggs out there somewhere. He has a brace on the repaired leg that is supposedly very restricting.  Don't know if there is a timeline for removing the brace or not.

ChilliJon posted:

Packer beat reporters are saying we’ve seen the last of Rodgers in the preseason. Can’t say I disagree with that. GB needs to determine which two are behind AR. I really want to see Kizer and Boyle get more snaps with the 1s against 1s. 

My fear is MM has already cemented Hundley as the backup because he knows best. If Hundley plays the entire first half we’ll know. Then again it’s at Oakland so maybe Mike needs a reminder what Hundley looks like on the road against starters. 

Gilbert is clearly the best option at OLB after Perry and Clay. But we’ve also seen this before when Jayrone Elliott dominated the preseason. Need to see him do this when it matters. 

The personal matter Stuffed Jedediah is dealing with really hurts. This OL is razor thin for depth. Spriggs looks far closer to washout than progressing. But GB really can’t cut him because what’s behind him isn’t any better. Bell took snaps at LG after showing everyone he can’t play RT. LG didn’t look much better. Dodged a serious bullet with McCray last night. 

Cant see how Kumerow doesn’t make the 53. Moore is looking like the best candidate for the PS. 

I think Kizer will end up #2.  Hard to justify trading a former first rounder for a third string, or released QB, and keeping a fifth rounder who failed miserably despite having three years in the system. 

I had hopes Murphy would develop into a solid backup, but he's gotten smoked badly two weeks in a row...he's been beaten as badly with speed as Spriggs has on inside moves. To be fair to him, he's never been known for his speed and he's been beaten by two guys (Landry, Dupree) who are known as speed rushers, but he looked about as useful as the a blocking dummy out there. If ever there was a time to get a holding call, it's when you've been beaten badly like that. I'd rather get a 10 yard penalty than have AR take a direct shot in the back.

Mike hung onto Dom 2 years longer than he should have. Can't ever underestimate Mikes level of stubborn. Especially when it comes to QB's.

I'm fully prepared to admit Ted **** the bed his last three drafts as well. The results aren't lying. 

Grave Digger posted:

I had hopes Murphy would develop into a solid backup, but he's gotten smoked badly two weeks in a row...he's been beaten as badly with speed as Spriggs has on inside moves. To be fair to him, he's never been known for his speed and he's been beaten by two guys (Landry, Dupree) who are known as speed rushers, but he looked about as useful as the a blocking dummy out there. If ever there was a time to get a holding call, it's when you've been beaten badly like that. I'd rather get a 10 yard penalty than have AR take a direct shot in the back.

Bahktiari may be the second most important player on the team. If Rodgers is your QB, you can get by with a lousy RT because he can at least see the turnstile opening up. If Bakh isn't back to start the season, that's...not good.

I heard another theory that Spriggs continues to be in the process of adjusting to his increased bulk (more likely to me the guy just isn't that good). Murphy holds up reasonably well as long as you don't put him on the left side.

I know we don't see them every day, but I'd keep Boyle as the #2. If AR goes down Boyle gives them just as good of a shot as Kizer or Hundley.

Boyle looks like a NFL QB. Kizer and Hundley look like athletes playing QB, just like Manziel and Tebow did.

Grave Digger posted:

I had hopes Murphy would develop into a solid backup, but he's gotten smoked badly two weeks in a row...he's been beaten as badly with speed as Spriggs has on inside moves. To be fair to him, he's never been known for his speed and he's been beaten by two guys (Landry, Dupree) who are known as speed rushers, but he looked about as useful as the a blocking dummy out there. If ever there was a time to get a holding call, it's when you've been beaten badly like that. I'd rather get a 10 yard penalty than have AR take a direct shot in the back.

The good news there, if there is any, is that Murphy was beaten by two very good players - while he was at Left Tackle. It should now be apparent to Campen and everyone else that if Murphy is going to play Tackle, it can only be on the RIGHT side. 

Hungry5 posted:

I know we don't see them every day, but I'd keep Boyle as the #2. If AR goes down Boyle gives them just as good of a shot as Kizer or Hundley.

Boyle looks like a NFL QB. Kizer and Hundley look like athletes playing QB, just like Manziel and Tebow did.

I'm with you.   Give Kizer a bit more time but he does not look the part.  if they get rid of those 2 it will be a bad look for Mike but tough titty.  He can redeem his rep if he grooms the kid into a NFL  player.

I don't see any way in hell they can put Boyle at #2 at this point in his development.  MM would have to really really dumb down the playbook and we've seen how well he did that for Hundley last season.  Boyle's knock out of college, among other things, was his decision making/accuracy was all over the place.  Put a legit NFL D in front of him and I can not fathom him having much success.  He may make more plays than Hundley or Kizer but he'll also make more and probably bigger mistakes.  Maybe a year or more from now but not this season.

I can't see Boyle making it past the idiocy that is MM.  I don't see him as 2 but worth keeping.  They won't.   

Packdog posted:

Grave Digger posted:

I had hopes Murphy would develop into a solid backup, but he's gotten smoked badly two weeks in a row...he's been beaten as badly with speed as Spriggs has on inside moves. To be fair to him, he's never been known for his speed and he's been beaten by two guys (Landry, Dupree) who are known as speed rushers, but he looked about as useful as the a blocking dummy out there. If ever there was a time to get a holding call, it's when you've been beaten badly like that. I'd rather get a 10 yard penalty than have AR take a direct shot in the back.

The good news there, if there is any, is that Murphy was beaten by two very good players - while he was at Left Tackle. It should now be apparent to Campen and everyone else that if Murphy is going to play Tackle, it can only be on the RIGHT side. 

And/or have M. Lewis standing next to him to help out.

Henry posted:

I can't see Boyle making it past the idiocy that is MM.  I don't see him as 2 but worth keeping.  They won't.   

The book on Hundley is now in its second reprint abridged addition. You get him moving out of the pocket and all 11 on defense can close on that ball because he isn’t looking downfield any longer. And he absolutely, positively does not like being hit. 

Kizer missed some easy throws last night. So did Boyle. But those two will stand in and deliver when needed. You can’t teach fearlessness. 

If Im defending Hundley I’m confusing blitzes and sending the house because he’s as skittish as it gets in the pocket. 

ChilliJon posted:

Henry posted:

I can't see Boyle making it past the idiocy that is MM.  I don't see him as 2 but worth keeping.  They won't.   

The book on Hundley is now in its second reprint abridged addition. You get him moving out of the pocket and all 11 on defense can close on that ball because he isn’t looking downfield any longer. And he absolutely, positively does not like being hit. 

Kizer missed some easy throws last night. So did Boyle. But those two will stand in and deliver when needed. You can’t teach fearlessness. 

If Im defending Hundley I’m confusing blitzes and sending the house because he’s as skittish as it gets in the pocket. 

This. Which is why he doesn't belong on an NFL roster.

I admit to being a hopeless optimist.  At least until they walls come tumbling down, at which point I become a Negative Nellie.

However, I’ve gotta say it’s been a while since I was so psyched about how much our team has been upgraded from the previous season. 

As i see it, here are areas of significant improvement

1.  Jimmy Graham , receiving  TE 

2.  Marcedes Lewis, blocking TE (but  also a capable target)

3.  Tramon and JJackson at cornerback.   A huge improvement, imho, and that’s not even looking at J’aire Alexander (did he play yesterday?) or Kevin King.

4.  KR, JJackson?   That was sweet.  Granted, the punter out-punted his coverage, but boy does this kid look good.

5.  PR.   I’d like to see MVS back there.   But I thought Davis showed poor judgement last year as PR and was not reliable, so seeing others getting  their shot gives me hope that we will be better here this year.

6. OLB, Reggie Gilbert.   Can’t anoint him a savior yet, but sure looks promising.

7.  3rd and 4th WR’s.  A lot of people have been anxious about losing  Jordy in our top 3, but I’m of the opinion that Adams/Cobb/X could be even better.   Very impressed by MVS and love Kumerow.   ESB has had some moments as well.

Concerned about J’mon’s drops, but he’ll be kept and hopefully will be a good one.

I think Davis and Yancey will be cut.  Or maybe they can put  Yancey back on the ps?   I’m not sure what to make of G-Mo.   I like the kid, but he’s getting challenged and he needs  to step up him game, imo.

8. Oren Burks,  ILB.  Kid looks fast and good.

9.  DL w/Wilkerson and Montravius A.   Looks like  an improvement.   Granted, they need to do better in stopping runs, though.

10.  I thought Vogel  was better and more consistent than other punters we’ve had in recent years, but whatever.   the new kid obviously has a big-time leg.   So I’m going  to assume he’s a step  up.   But kickoffs going OOB no es beuno.   Seems to be working well with new LS too, as are Crosby and his new holder.

11.  QB.  As lame as Hundley was last year, I’m going to go out on a limb here and say this position will be “fine.”   So we can probably all R-E-L-A-X.   Regardless of whether you favor Kizer, Boyle or Hundley, I’ll stick with the kid who was on the sidelines last year with the collarbone injury.  Can’t remember his name.  I think he was an UDFA from Cal?  Stodgers?  Codgers? 

By gad, it’s enough to make a Packer fan positively giddy!

Adams/Cobb/X is actually Graham.  So we're good there before even considering WR3.  With that even if you consider M-class TE1, we're still ahead of last year.

Young guys should be getting reps

Can't disagree.

Thanks for posting that. But MM would say we what we do.

yancey fackrell Rollins—waste

We do what we do, but we should change it up. I would like to see Kumerow, Moore, MVS, St. Brown, Boyd, Tonyan, against better competition. It's really the way you find out if they can hang with the big boys. And you'll find out if they can beat out the guys like TDavis, Rollins, etc., by evaluating all of them against a higher level. Just watching them in practice doesn't give a true impression. 

We all know by now that Hundley should be sent packing -- today. Why he gets a boatload of snaps is beyond me. Against Pitt, it should have been Kizer after AR, then Boyd. And you could even flip those two to better see what you have.

I could be wrong but I get the sinking feeling that MM will stick with Hundley

And that’s why MM is working on a short contract: stubbornness. 

He’s 100% going to stick with Hundley and likely Kizer. Boyle will go to the PS. That has likely been the plan all along unless Kizer was brutally bad.

Grave Digger posted:

He’s 100% going to stick with Hundley and likely Kizer. Boyle will go to the PS. That has likely been the plan all along unless Kizer was brutally bad.

Hundley does not belong in the NFL 

Pretty good case to be made that Kizer is slightly ahead in the backup battle after the Steeler game.  Boyle make the cut if they go with three (unlikely, IMO). Best case scenario is someone offers a late-round conditional for Hundley (also unlikely). 

There's a lot that goes into the backup QB evaluation.  Preparation, scout team looks, assisting during games, film study in the proverbial QB room, etc.  Hundley might stand out from the others in those areas that make him more valuable to the organization. 

Captain Obvious says: It doesn't matter who the backup is if 12 goes down again.. .

I think Kizer always had the advantage, unless he showed absolutely nothing, which he hasn't... has.... he has shown something, not nothing.  And does Hundley even get signed by a team if he's cut?  Probably, but who knows?

Grave Digger posted:

He’s 100% going to stick with Hundley and likely Kizer. Boyle will go to the PS. That has likely been the plan all along unless Kizer was brutally bad.

This is the same logic used last year with Hill... I don’t think they can afford that this time around. 

Ideally we need a more mature backup.
Like a Zeke or a Pede.

Isn't Hill a bit older as well?  I thought he was mid 20's because he took his Mormon mission, 26 sticks in my head from last year.

Wonder if that had any impact on keeping him?

Hill looked average in the part I caught yesterday.

YATittle posted:

Grave Digger posted:

He’s 100% going to stick with Hundley and likely Kizer. Boyle will go to the PS. That has likely been the plan all along unless Kizer was brutally bad.

Hundley does not belong in the NFL 

Reminds me of Capers. in the high-level sense that so many, myself included, feel this way, and so what is MM thinking?

Dr._Bob posted:

And does Hundley even get signed by a team if he's cut?  Probably, but who knows?

 

Seattle would sign Hundley. So would the Vikings

Brainwashed Boris posted:

Dr._Bob posted:

And does Hundley even get signed by a team if he's cut?  Probably, but who knows?

 

Seattle would sign Hundley. So would the Vikings

Please don't let him go to a divisional rival.  

Pleeeaaase

One thing people have to remember about Hundley: the tape doesn't lie. The idea that the light will suddenly go on and all the struggles he's had from the pocket since his days at UCLA will magically disappear is just wishful thinking. Time for the Packers to move on.

4 years in the "system" Gimme a friggin break with this guy already.

I had high hopes before his first game - he simply doesn't have the "it" factor. He just doesn't - time to move along - we don't need another Randy Wrong or Anthony Dilweg on this team.

EC Pack posted:

Isn't Hill a bit older as well?  I thought he was mid 20's because he took his Mormon mission, 26 sticks in my head from last year.

Wonder if that had any impact on keeping him?

Turns 28 this month.

Hill was scattershot when I saw him this weekend.  Made a bunch of errors but then created some big plays with his mobility.  Still raw as a viking's behind.