ChilliJon posted:You can say the coaching has sucked GD. Seriously. You can. It will be embraced with a small cloud of resentment but still embraced.
Jesus f*ck you need to let it go. We don’t agree hoss, get over it. I don’t have to say shit I don’t believe.
Yeah asshole! Besides, that's my job.
Alexander looks like the truth. But he didn’t play in duh S$C so he must suck.
PackerHawk probably losing his shit but you know JJ is legit he should be starting. He passes the eyeball test and I hate ****ing Iowa. Pay the man! Or play him to pay the man.
Dix was overrated. Maybe that’s duh S$C gene or maybe he’s just not that good. Brice just sucks.
fightphoe93 posted:It will be interesting to see how HaHa does somewhere else. He just struck me as someone that maybe doesn't enjoy football as much as he once did and looked like he half assed it at times the past couple years. Who knows, maybe he'll get rejuvenated and show something with the 'Skins, or maybe he just wants to move on with his life and do something else.
He wants to make sure he gets paid. You can't blame these guys for thinking that at all. It's a violent game and are underpaid at the peak of their careers (especially guys who are first round picks and get tied to a team for 5 years). One wrong move and their earning power is gone. He got 6 million this year for getting tendered. If he makes it to free agency, he probably thinks he'll get 15 million guaranteed. Khalil Mack, L. Bell, Earl Thomas, etc. all had the same problems. They want the security of a long-term contract and the team wants them to pay them as little as possible for as long as possible.
If the Skins extend him (I'm not sure if the collective bargaining agreement permits that?) immediately, we'll probably see a different Ha-Ha. If he's playing out the string, he'll make an occasional play, but will show the same matador-esque tackling.
fightphoe93 posted:It will be interesting to see how HaHa does somewhere else. He just struck me as someone that maybe doesn't enjoy football as much as he once did and looked like he half assed it at times the past couple years. Who knows, maybe he'll get rejuvenated and show something with the 'Skins, or maybe he just wants to move on with his life and do something else.
Bingo! This is my take on him. He looks no stronger in his upper body than when he came into the league, an indictment that he really was not as serious about his profession as he should have been.
There are planes trains and buses leaving Green Bay every day. Make sure you are not on one if them. VL.
Saban arrived in Alabama in 2007. Since 2011 (the first year most of his recruits would have been draft eligible), Alabama has had 66 guys drafted in 8 drafts. 23 have been first round picks. 9 Pro Bowl players (all first round picks). That's about average for first round picks making the Pro Bowl.
Not bad, but only the last four are what I'd call superstar level.
Ha-Ha, Lacy, Landon Collins, Amari Cooper, Mark Ingram, CJ Mosley, Dont'e Hightower, Marcell Dareus, and Julio Jones.
packerboi posted:Comp update: Redskins traded a 2019 fourth-round pick to Packers for Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, per source.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) October 30, 2018
The Skins must have tape
Let's hear what Dix and Montgomery say once they leave GB... I'm sure Dix especially will have something to mouth off about.
Tschmack posted:Maybe Alabama players aren’t as good as advertised and/or get lazy when they reach the pros?
WAS's DL disagrees.
After watching Hyde and Heyward go all world after leaving GB coaching, I'm nervous that HaHa is going to become a 1st ballot HOF.
I liked Heyward's play while he was here, disliked Hyde's and hated Dix since Seattle.
And im not going to shit talk him for making his career about making money. From all I know about him, he is a quality person who does a lot of good for his community.
I don't think the way two of those guys left could be any different than the way the last guy left.
But regardless, yeah. Both 21 and 88 could blow up on their new teams. Sometimes guys just need different circumstances. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have been dealt.
Agreed. I'm completely on board with moving both of them.
Find the national perception of HHCD pretty amazing and there's a reason the Packers didn't pick up his option year.
Edit: They did pick up the option year, just didn't make any real effort to extend him.
HH "Matador II" CD can go straight to Hell.
I hope he gets both knees blown out in Washington.
listening to 105.7 - it means something to me that leroy hasn't liked 21 for a long time. they think that whitehead played so much bc they were already done this trade (not sure where, but it was done). they are pretty sure the dropoff will be real small, and i have to agree, 21 has great stats, but 44 was also the leading tackler on the colts last year.
After watching Hyde and Heyward go all world
Wow
Pettine raving about Brice and Whitehead's attention to the game and scheme.
"HaHa isn't too bad either".
BrainDed posted:After watching Hyde and Heyward go all world after leaving GB coaching, I'm nervous that HaHa is going to become a 1st ballot HOF.
I liked Heyward's play while he was here, disliked Hyde's and hated Dix since Seattle.
And im not going to shit talk him for making his career about making money. From all I know about him, he is a quality person who does a lot of good for his community.
Pretty sure there are defensive assistants who are still on staff because of McVince as well. It would be nice to have Pettine overhaul the defensive side of the ball as needed but we know that's about McVince.
This is just another part of overall effect of not doing a clean sweep. Pretty sure HaHa, Randall, etc. didn't develop attitudes overnight be it right or wrong. Players going on to have exponentially better success elsewhere while struggling, being miscast and becoming disgruntled in Green Bay don't go away just because you call a mulligan on the coaching staff.
BrainDed posted:After watching Hyde and Heyward go all world after leaving GB coaching, I'm nervous that HaHa is going to become a 1st ballot HOF.
I liked Heyward's play while he was here, disliked Hyde's and hated Dix since Seattle.
And im not going to shit talk him for making his career about making money. From all I know about him, he is a quality person who does a lot of good for his community.
So what? The point is he was shit in Pettine's system.
Timmy! posted:HH "Matador II" CD can go straight to Hell.
I hope he gets both knees blown out in Washington.
I am all for letting HHCD go, but at the end of the season. The discussion of a 4th round pick in 2019 vs. a 4/5th compensatory pick in 2020 (if it is not negated by a Packer FA signing) is nonsense. No GM is banking on a starter from a Day 3 pick. The safety depth was already terrible, and is easily the weakest position on the roster. The Packers gambled that HHCD would prove himself in a new system and in a contract year and that Brice and Jones would take the next step. None of those things happened.
1) Not nonsense especially if the player needed to be shipped while providing garbage production. Plus, bird in the hand and all. Breeland, if he gets on the field, makes this an easier decision.
2) Just because the NFL shifted around the draft doesn't change the fact it's a decent mid-round pick. Not commiserate with the 1st round pick spent on the guy but I highly doubt you're going to have teams clamoring for his services after what he's shown the past two years. Add in the Packers don't exactly have much leverage even if more teams were interested, knowing HaHa didn't want to play in Green Bay anymore and his contract was up after this year.
3) I'm pretty sure every GM is banking on a mid-round pick being a contributor if not a starter. If the pick turns into a Olinemen, of which there are many successful mid-round picks, it's completely worth it.
4) FA is an option now.
5) I'm not calling this season a complete wash and they could possibly limp into the playoffs but Dix isn't going to make the difference if they do make a playoff run. We may see Burks being more involved and used in different capacities considering he is a hybrid safety/LB. There's already a lot of variables with the rookies and gaps at LB and a shakey right OL. A 4th for Dix is decent considering the situation.
since you mentioned "shakey right OL", the thought occurred to me this week, even tho he didn't have a great game in LA, that if Bulaga goes down our season is likely toast. jmho.
Goalline posted:BrainDed posted:After watching Hyde and Heyward go all world after leaving GB coaching, I'm nervous that HaHa is going to become a 1st ballot HOF.
I liked Heyward's play while he was here, disliked Hyde's and hated Dix since Seattle.
And im not going to shit talk him for making his career about making money. From all I know about him, he is a quality person who does a lot of good for his community.
So what? The point is he was shit in Pettine's system.
I would say the point is he was going to be shit in any system while in Green Bay. The damage was done a couple years ago.
Henry posted:BrainDed posted:After watching Hyde and Heyward go all world after leaving GB coaching, I'm nervous that HaHa is going to become a 1st ballot HOF.
I liked Heyward's play while he was here, disliked Hyde's and hated Dix since Seattle.
And im not going to shit talk him for making his career about making money. From all I know about him, he is a quality person who does a lot of good for his community.
Pretty sure there are defensive assistants who are still on staff because of McVince as well. It would be nice to have Pettine overhaul the defensive side of the ball as needed but we know that's about McVince.
This is just another part of overall effect of not doing a clean sweep. Pretty sure HaHa, Randall, etc. didn't develop attitudes overnight be it right or wrong. Players going on to have exponentially better success elsewhere while struggling, being miscast and becoming disgruntled in Green Bay don't go away just because you call a mulligan on the coaching staff.
Maybe they didn't grow attitudes over night but I bet they did when Pettine holds defensive players accountable and isn't afraid to hurt anyone's feelings.
Henry posted:1) Not nonsense especially if the player needed to be shipped while providing garbage production. Plus, bird in the hand and all. Breeland, if he gets on the field, makes this an easier decision.
2) Just because the NFL shifted around the draft doesn't change the fact it's a decent mid-round pick. Not commiserate with the 1st round pick spent on the guy but I highly doubt you're going to have teams clamoring for his services after what he's shown the past two years. Add in the Packers don't exactly have much leverage even if more teams were interested, knowing HaHa didn't want to play in Green Bay anymore and his contract was up after this year.
3) I'm pretty sure every GM is banking on a mid-round pick being a contributor if not a starter. If the pick turns into a Olinemen, of which there are many successful mid-round picks, it's completely worth it.
4) FA is an option now.
5) I'm not calling this season a complete wash and they could possibly limp into the playoffs but Dix isn't going to make the difference if they do make a playoff run. We may see Burks being more involved and used in different capacities considering he is a hybrid safety/LB. There's already a lot of variables with the rookies and gaps at LB and a shakey right OL. A 4th for Dix is decent considering the situation.
Agreed. I seriously doubt we will even notice Dix is gone. Not saying Breeland or Tramon or any of the young Safeties will be great, but they won't be worse.
In response to Heckler.
Absolutely, but Randall and HaHa were discontented last year as well. Add in the explicable resurgence of exiting players and you have no other place to go other than coaching.
Moss's pissy press conferences would lend an example to the remaining crap coaches Pettine is working with. They along with McVince fostered this environment. Pettine cleaning it up is either going to get players on board or go into full quit mode.
Pettine is in a tight spot as well, dealing with the remnants of decay in this organization and the guy responsible for it still at the helm. McVince telling you there's new ownership now means squat.
Injury also could have impacted the compensatory pick. No problem at all taking the fourth rounder when it's there to be had.
No one was going to give us higher than a 4th Round pick for HHCD, especially if they watched his game tape from the past two seasons. The effort was not there. His tackling skills were lackadaisical. I am amazed we got a 4th round pick for him. It's as good as I expected.
Just watch a clip of Nick Wright (who?) saying he's "shocked" by the Dix trade. For all you PFF fans out there, he used their stats to say Dix is the second best safety in the NFL this year. Jesus ****.
He also called Dix the best defensive player they've drafted in 6 years.
The narrative of the Packers failing Rodgers has gone from reasonable to absurd.
Yeah, a ****ing underachieving quitter of a 1st round pick is a failure to surround Rodgers with talent.
Is that all it takes to be a sports commentator now? Spout outrage with little facts?
I swear these things coming across my newsfeed are the only reason I see them so I'm obviously way out of touch with whatever the **** these sports shows are about.
Henry posted:In response to Heckler.
Absolutely, but Randall and HaHa were discontented last year as well. Add in the explicable resurgence of exiting players and you have no other place to go other than coaching.
Moss's pissy press conferences would lend an example to the remaining crap coaches Pettine is working with. They along with McVince fostered this environment. Pettine cleaning it up is either going to get players on board or go into full quit mode.
Pettine is in a tight spot as well, dealing with the remnants of decay in this organization and the guy responsible for it still at the helm. McVince telling you there's new ownership now means squat.
I agree that Pettine has to deal with remants of the remaining defensive coaching staff but I don't think it looked to me against the Rams that they were in any kind of quit mode. I would argue that you can see little by little that Pettine will get that mess figured out it will just take time. And if that means purging the old defensive coaches so be it. To me the defensive side of the ball has been neglected for YEARS. By TT not paying for talent like Hyde and Heyward because of sticking stubbornly to his only draft a develop, Capers not utilizing players correctly, and yes MM holding on the defensive coaching staff too long something that I have blamed on MM for years.
I don't think I would use the word decay in the packers organization I think the better word is probably stale or turnover. Stale with the coaches, stale with players not fitting the scheme, and especially stale with TT's philosophies, and gradual turnover of the roster to mold it with what Gute wants. It may not be the right call but I think you and rest of the fire MM group will get your wish soon enough. I do think his days are numbered either by stepping down or being fired.
Timmy! posted:HH "Matador II" CD can go straight to Hell.
I hope he gets both knees blown out in Washington.
Really?
i just lost a ton of respect for you. Sad think about it
PFF is fine to check to see certain things, but I don't take it a gospel. It's interesting to read their perspective even if I don't agree with their methods. Their rating of Dix is pretty ridiculous, how can anyone with an ounce of football knowledge watch him play and rate him above 2/3 of the starting FS in the NFL. Gute wouldn't have gotten rid of him if Pettine didn't assure them there would be no dropoff in production.
redskins will use whatever spreadsheet they want to make 21 look like an all-star, which he has fallen from >2 years ago. leading tackler, all world, blah blah, put the games on and watch...like I said, antonio morrison was the leading tackler on the colts - but if you watch, they are a lot of pile-ons, and non-important plays or garbage time...if you watch 21 when we 'gotta have it' - it's not there, that's why i think gutey makes a run at earl thomas in the offseason, or we go with what we have if they work out for the rest of 18, for all we know, 21 could have been makign the whole thing look like dog crap and with him gone, its a new day.
The constant dump on TT as the major if not only factor of this team underperforming is becoming more and more hollow as players exit and succeed. Randall for **** sakes. Also, the Hayward move made some sense at the time due to injury and salary expectations and Hyde was a horrible fit in The Wizard's scheme. That's not on the GM (Hayward, yes), that's shit coaching.
Kyler Fackrell is making plays in this defense now. The fact he was a complete lump of shit previously says something.
I actually agree with you on something.
Joy.
Henry posted:The constant dump on TT as the major if not only factor of this team underperforming is becoming more and more hollow as players exit and succeed. Randall for **** sakes. Also, the Hayward move made some sense at the time due to injury and salary expectations and Hyde was a horrible fit in The Wizard's scheme. That's not on the GM (Hayward, yes), that's shit coaching.
Kyler Fackrell is making plays in this defense now. The fact he was a complete lump of shit previously says something.
But those players played well IN GB. Hayward played well in GB, Hyde played well in GB. They were ascending players and TT cast them out rather than catch them at their peak. That's on him, those players were known quantities. We can argue about how they were used, but there was plenty of evidence that both SHOULD have been resigned before they were allowed to walk. They weren't as good as they are now, maybe it is scheme, but there was no reason to let them walk. Also Randall wasn't shipped out for underperforming, it's because his attitude is shit. Gute has been clearing out under-performing problem children that got patience from TT for some unknown reason.
For me the dump on TT isn't because of Hayward and Hyde, it's MD Jennings, Jerron McMillan, DJ Smith, Brad Jones, Carl Bradford, Sam Barrington, Jarius Wynn, CJ Wilson, Jeff Saturday, Dezman Moses, Cedric Benson, Jerel Worthy, Don Barclay, Alex Green, Mike Neal, Ryan Taylor, Marshall Newhouse, Tom Crabtree, Robert Francois, Matt Flynn, Scott Tolzien, Brett Hundley, Andrew Quarless, Jarrett Boykin, Jamari Lattimore, Andy Mulumba, Chris Banjo, Nate Palmer, Josh Boyd, Derek Sherrod, Quentin Rollins, Mike Pennel, Ladarius Gunter, Joe Thomas, Datone Jones, etc. These players all started games for GB since 2011, not just played, started. None of them have gone on to do anything special after getting cut, most haven't even been in the NFL since GB cut them. They were the best players available on the roster though and the GM was okay with that. Cite these 3 players that did well elsewhere, but keep this list in mind...a ratio 3 good players to 35 awful players.
