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@Hungry5 posted:

Being a womanizer is bad, right?

In MLK's case the bigger concern is laughing about a woman being raped in the same room where you are. Historically, most highly successful politicians got to the positions they achieved in large part because of their charisma and confidence. That's pretty effective with the ladies oftentimes (JFK, Reagan between his marriages, Clinton, etc.). Of course, maybe anti-charisma explains Ted Cruz.

My great-grandparents were born in the 1890s in Green Bay and knew Curly Lambeau in passing (and knew of his reputation quite well). I asked my great-grandmother about him once and she told me in a very stern voice that "he was a very, very bad man who treated a lot of girls badly and drank way too much" and that "no one should ever think of him as a hero." 

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Tell me how the optics of this are going to play out when they play the black national anthem and everybody stands.  Then they play the Star Spangled Banner and thatโ€™s the one X number of players and fans protest.  What exactly is made better by setting up popularity contest between racially aligned anthems?  For me, the national anthem was celebrating our country and everyone in it.  We might not agree on everything, but at least we can hopefully agree itโ€™s the land of the free and the home of the brave.  Now players standing side by side and fans next to each other in the stands get to pick their racially designated anthem.  Most will probably stand for both.  But, at least some will stand for one and not the other.  Does the NFL want to accentuate this division as part of their football product?

Anyone seeing this play out differently?

I think every ethnic group should get their own anthem and all anthems should be played before all games.

โ€La Bambaโ€ for the Mexicans

โ€Irish Eyes Are Smilingโ€ for the Irish.

โ€Thatโ€™s Amoreโ€ for the Italians

โ€I Think Iโ€™m Turning Japanese โ€œ for Japanese.

....and so on.

Players can stand or kneel for whichever anthems they chose. The up and downs will look like a Catholic mass.

The anthem playing will last four hours, the players will be too tired to play and weโ€™ll all go home.

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@Blair Kiel posted:

I think every ethnic group should get their own anthem and all anthems should be played before all games.

โ€La Bambaโ€ for the Mexicans

โ€Irish Eyes Are Smilingโ€ for the Irish.

โ€Thatโ€™s Amoreโ€ for the Italians

โ€I Think Iโ€™m Turning Japanese โ€œ for Japanese.

....and so on.

Players can stand or kneel for whichever anthems they chose. The up and downs will look like a Catholic mass.

The anthem playing will last four hours, the players will be too tired to play and weโ€™ll all go home.

Since Lambeau Field plays "The Beer Barrel Polka" during a break in the game, the Germans have been represented for quite a few years already. 

An interesting perspective I read: A former army officer and five other army buddies who were trump protestors managed to get into trump's Tulsa rally. (They were there to raise a flag.) When the national anthem started playing, his group was on the concourse. They immediately stood at attention and saluted. As they stood there, he said not one other person stopped what they were doing. They continued buying drinks, walking, drinking, talking, hats on, etc. Some would look at these folks who were saluting (who were not obviously dressed as army officers) and seemed embarrassed but still did nothing. Finally, a couple of folks stopped, took off their hats, and stood still, but not until almost the end of the song. 

FWIW, play the home team's song or something and get the game underway. Skip the anthem entirely.