Spriggs didn't look overwhelmed. +
Randall missed a tackle late first half with Mathews chasing Wentz allowing drive to continue that kept game too close. - - -
MM got things fixed.
Was that a Carl Bradford siting? On a Monday Night road game? And we won?
The fact MM stuck with a working game plan is both praise and an indictment.
Regarding MM's TO at the end of the first half. Philly had 2nd and 24 on their own 11 with 1:40 left. If MM doesn't call a TO there he needs to be fired. Not sure how anyone has an issue with this.
+ I was wrong about Schum. Kid is looking pretty solid.
+ Adams taking another step from his previous solid games this year. Actually looked like a #1 WR rather than a guy feasting on another team's #3 CB.
+ Rodgers slinging it like the MVP we know he is. The deep bomb isn't quite back, but his decision making was off the charts.
+ New FB looks like a keeper.
- Was hoping to see more of Michel. Starks looked bad IMO. His vision and decision making have gotten terrible. He had some open lanes, especially on the screen pass, and he just flat out went the wrong way. I think this is the last few games of the James Starks era in GB.
- Still struggling to understand some of the defensive calls. I get the goal of going into a cover 2, but it was obvious the Eagles weren't going to pound the rock, just go into a Dime look the entire game. The young CBs are struggling with Zone coverage and there are huge gaps. They're not veteran or savvy enough to understand the advantageous position they're in. I would have gone to a 2-3-6 look on running downs and a 1-3-7 look on passing downs, with Thomas as the lone ILB and Clay at OLB. That gives you flexibility to go with a 3 or 4-deep Safety look and allows your young CBs to play Man, and it allows your Safeties to cheat up around the line. Moving Clay to ILB and not blitzing him until the end is exactly what the other team wants.
- Starks get less out of something that looks good than just about anyone
+. Starks made some big runs when it counted
Huge + Packers were 10-14 on third down resulting in a significant TOP advantage and thus keeping the defense off the field.
ChilliJon posted:Regarding MM's TO at the end of the first half. Philly had 2nd and 24 on their own 11 with 1:40 left. If MM doesn't call a TO there he needs to be fired. Not sure how anyone has an issue with this.
Exactly, any coach with AR as their QB tries to get another possession with enough time left to score. IF Philly had not made the First Down & we got the ball back & ran out of time, the same guys would scream about "poor clock management"
You mean we can't have it both ways?
posted by GD:
Starks looked bad IMO. His vision and decision making have gotten terrible. He had some open lanes, especially on the screen pass, and he just flat out went the wrong way. I think this is the last few games of the James Starks era in GB.
- saw the same thing and agree.
Positives
1. Randall wasn't perfect (like the missed tackle no Wentz), but he clearly upgraded the secondary as even pedestrian receivers made them look bad recently.
2. MM didn't start the game with the intention of establishing the run.
From McGinn this morning:
The Packers made the decision on offense that their receivers were better than the Eagles’ defensive backs. Thus, they played the entire half throwing passes either behind the line or 5 to 10 yards downfield and putting the rushing attack in mothballs.
Negative
1. Why didn't they do #2 in the first half against Atlanta, Indy, Tennessee, and Washington? The fact they lost both of these games at home to Indy and Tennessee is what is likely to be the difference between the playoffs and staying home.
Perhaps they thought in those games that our receivers were not better than the opponents DBs? In addition, Cook played a lot more that R . Rodgers last night, which helped our match-ups.
How amazing was it to see a competent backup RG? I was very impressed with Spriggs' performance. He allowed a couple pressures from Cox, but that's about it. Cox is one of the top DL in the league, he's beaten better Guards than Spriggs. Young man has a bright future!
FLPACKER posted:Perhaps they thought in those games that our receivers were not better than the opponents DBs? In addition, Cook played a lot more that R . Rodgers last night, which helped our match-ups.
Looking at play distribution, Cook only had 7 more snaps than RR, seemed like more because RR was not targeted at all.
So how many teams ahead have dbacks who are worse than our recievers?
Cavetoad posted:I know @gbIdaho but was curious if you were still so sure. Was looking to make a payment for x4
Or you could, you know, simply donate money to Boris without this theater.
But then you wouldn't be able to be an attention whore and tell others how they should post. And, that's really your concern here, not donating to Boris.
Grave Digger posted:How amazing was it to see a competent backup RG? I was very impressed with Spriggs' performance. He allowed a couple pressures from Cox, but that's about it. Cox is one of the top DL in the league, he's beaten better Guards than Spriggs. Young man has a bright future!
He will be replacing Lang next year. That's the way I see it. Lang gets the Marco Rivera treatment, will sign for big bucks elsewhere and fizzle to the end of his career.
A live look inside the little tent @AaronRodgers12 went into: #GBvsPHI pic.twitter.com/PIWMbMzB1S
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Cavetoad posted:gbIdaho posted:+ 12 and the Offense showing life, Wow, an INT by the D, ST kickoff coverage
- Seattle will shred this Defense in 2 weeks, Perry with 2 WTF offsides calls
Nice of you to drop by.
Want to place a bet on that?
I'm in. Picking the green and gold chips. As long as the croupier and club manager don't get, um, hurt or distracted.
Tdog posted:posted by GD:
Starks looked bad IMO. His vision and decision making have gotten terrible. He had some open lanes, especially on the screen pass, and he just flat out went the wrong way. I think this is the last few games of the James Starks era in GB.- saw the same thing and agree.
The positive in the above? They won in spite of Christine only getting 2 snaps on offense...
I was wrong to think McCarthy's praise of Michael this past week meant we'd see more of him last night. Maybe they'll feature him more with Rip vs HOU?
Speaking of Rip, that boy needs about 8-10 touches a game. Reminds me of Alstott.
CAPackFan95 posted:Cavetoad posted:I know @gbIdaho but was curious if you were still so sure. Was looking to make a payment for x4
Or you could, you know, simply donate money to Boris without this theater.
But then you wouldn't be able to be an attention whore and tell others how they should post. And, that's really your concern here, not donating to Boris.
Meow.
YATittle posted:Grave Digger posted:How amazing was it to see a competent backup RG? I was very impressed with Spriggs' performance. He allowed a couple pressures from Cox, but that's about it. Cox is one of the top DL in the league, he's beaten better Guards than Spriggs. Young man has a bright future!
He will be replacing Lang next year. That's the way I see it. Lang gets the Marco Rivera treatment, will sign for big bucks elsewhere and fizzle to the end of his career.
Based on what we have seen I think Sitton is looking like the Rivera. Lang could be the Mike Wahle, leave and have a few productive years before fizzling out.
grignon posted:El-Ka-Bong posted:It will forever be a shame than Sproles was never a Packer
Agreed. He's this generation's Doug Flutie. He doesn't have the measurables but he can play football.
I'd have said Rufus the Roadrunner Ferguson, but hey, that's just me.
Now, let's hope Martinez and Ryan get back on the field soon. Having CM3 in the line-up made the whole D better. That gives Perry more favorable 1-on-1's. CM3 needs to rush from the inside more too. He's just better there.
YATittle posted:Grave Digger posted:How amazing was it to see a competent backup RG? I was very impressed with Spriggs' performance. He allowed a couple pressures from Cox, but that's about it. Cox is one of the top DL in the league, he's beaten better Guards than Spriggs. Young man has a bright future!
He will be replacing Lang next year. That's the way I see it. Lang gets the Marco Rivera treatment, will sign for big bucks elsewhere and fizzle to the end of his career.
IDK, Lang is pretty good. I'd rather see Spriggs, who needs to put on weight for the guard position, replace Taylor, who although serviceable, is still the weakest starter. An interior of Spriggs / Tretter or Linsley/ Lang, is IMHO significantly better than an interior of Taylor / Tretter or Linsly / Spriggs. Of course I wonder what are the chances of them making Tretter a guard?
Positives:
If you look at the Pack as you would a hospital patient in the ER, they went from "Critical Condition" to "Stable Condition". Both the Packers and Iggles were on the precipice of collapse, and I think the Packers rescued themselves and the Iggles pretty much are done.
It was nice for once for all 3 phases (offense, defense, ST) to put on solid performances at the same time. Haven't seen that for awhile.
Negatives:
Really none from last night's game, but the past month put the Pack in such a deep hole, they don't have a lot of room for error the past 5 games. They really need to sweep the Bears, Vikes, and Lions to have a legit shot at the North. It is definitely doable, but any surprise losses there and things will look much bleaker than they do at the moment.
Hungry5 posted:A live look inside the little tent @AaronRodgers12 went into: #GBvsPHI pic.twitter.com/PIWMbMzB1S
— T y l e r ✈︎ (@TylerHerrick) November 29, 2016
So that's what Satori looks like. I'd thought he'd be younger, but hey 85 is the new 45 I guess. 
YATittle posted:Grave Digger posted:How amazing was it to see a competent backup RG? I was very impressed with Spriggs' performance. He allowed a couple pressures from Cox, but that's about it. Cox is one of the top DL in the league, he's beaten better Guards than Spriggs. Young man has a bright future!
He will be replacing Lang next year. That's the way I see it. Lang gets the Marco Rivera treatment, will sign for big bucks elsewhere and fizzle to the end of his career.
Ah no. Spriggs as starting G is not ideal.
Spriggs needed a lot of help last night, and thankfully got it, and therefore did pretty well vs a pretty good Eagles DL including Cox, who late in the 4Q had recorded 1/2 tackle. That's it.
But I agree with Hank, I don't think that's an ideal spot for him. He needs to put on some bulk and then be a T of the future, perhaps replacing Bulaga by 2018
It's going to be an interesting 2017 off season to say the least. Lang was dubbed by a couple of scouts McGinn IIRC talked to as "an old 29". Meaning for his age, he's got a lot of wear and tear to his body.
Still, if Shields is indeed done, with Peppers gone next year and IF TT either restructures CMIII's huge cap number next season and/or the Packers cut him (doubt that), they should have plenty of cap room to re-sign Lang if they wanted to. They could give him a 3 year deal, front load it, and essentially make it a 1 year deal until a new guard is groomed.
Loved when Eagles Coach Peterson burned his last challenge on a two yard completion. Overturned, but who cares?
Finally have a spare second or so, so let's post and then back to the honey-do list...
First I hope everyone is doing well. The weather out East has been great. And if you haven't gone to Quebec City, Portugal, or Harrisonburg, Virginia, by all means visit.
As this was only the second regular-season game this season I had on in my house (and that was interrupted by my 20-something daughter calling us and trying unsuccessfully for an hour or so to bait the wife and I into a reprise of our Thanksgiving dinner blowout over Donald Trump and all things 2016 Election), this is informed only by glances at the game...
+ Nice to see Mike and Aaron getting their mojo back. None better at coming up with stuff on the fly than 12 and good old Pittsburgh Macho.
Truth be told, corporately and individually it looked for late 2015 and then this season as if the team writ large had gotten stale. Boring is good until the blueprint gets out there. Now Mike and Aaron get to do their Vince, Bart, Lynn Dickey, and Brent imitations. Sometimes you just have to go for it, be it the improbable QB sneak or just letting 'er rip. It's sweet to see.
+ Dom is boring too, as always, but give him the pieces and he can Hendrix with the best of them. Peppers is slowly losing that gut he came to TC with and is focusing in on that one last payday. A special + to Hollywood Clay for gutting it out all night... The NFL's First Family might be looking at their best ever in this kid. Flashiest to be sure.
Zook is never boring. Just give him the pieces and avoid brain locks.
Biggest plus is how great the plus minus thread is after a win. Haven't even read McGinn yet but I've gotten my analysis and Packer fix in for the week. Gebins to those posters keeping it real.
Now the team moves on to the first of its two, maybe three trips to Texas in this Team 96 campaign. Oh the signs and portents are just there, if you step back once in a while and just enjoy the journey. I'm glad I'm doing that.
Now, back to that leaky faucet and corroded hot water heater...
Re-watched the 1st and 2nd drives. Never, ever, should anyone, ever doubt Aaron Rodgers. He mentioned they needed to start fast to give the D some help. He was not to be denied last night. Watching in real-time was fun. Watching the replay was a thing of beauty.
If Rodgers had made those same throws in the earlier games (instead of holding the ball for the big play and going all sandlot), we would easily be leading the division. He played within himself and within the system last night, using his quick release and letting his WRs gain some YAC. Now he and MM have to continue doing the same thing in upcoming games.
ChilliJon posted:Regarding MM's TO at the end of the first half. Philly had 2nd and 24 on their own 11 with 1:40 left. If MM doesn't call a TO there he needs to be fired. Not sure how anyone has an issue with this.
I think this team, this year is the one exception you could make to that logic. They have now given up a score inside of two minutes of EVERY FIRST HALF this season. Seriously. Some capped earlier drives just inside of the two-minute warning, but that's still an insane and likely historic stat.
The Packers had success running to the left, behind Bakhtiari and Taylor. Spriggs struggled run blocking but did very well in the pas game.
A run on the 2nd drive the hole was to the left between Taylor and Linsley, and Starks for some reason jumped to the right following Montgomery into an immovable pile behind Spriggs.
Now the team moves on to the first of its two, maybe three trips to Texas in this Team 96 campaign.
Game is in WI
Fandame posted:If Rodgers had made those same throws in the earlier games (instead of holding the ball for the big play and going all sandlot), we would easily be leading the division.
You know no such thing.
“The time is now, the place is here. Stay in the present. You can do nothing to change the past, and the future will never come exactly as you plan or hope for.”
The past is over, let it go
Go Packers
MichiganPacker posted:1. Why didn't they do #2 in the first half against Atlanta, Indy, Tennessee, and Washington? The fact they lost both of these games at home to Indy and Tennessee is what is likely to be the difference between the playoffs and staying home.
You know no such thing.
“The time is now, the place is here. Stay in the present. You can do nothing to change the past, and the future will never come exactly as you plan or hope for.”
The past is over, let it go
Go Packers
#Packers still need to find ways to do more with Ty Montgomery. 16 snaps and 3 touches isn't enough.
