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Mercifully, this will be Capers last season
Tdog posted:Barclay absolutely whiffed on even touching his guy on his 1st snap again, it didn't affect the play but cheesenrice. Was Tretter lost a few times like I thought he was? Something in the middle of that line went south a handful of times.
Taylor struggled a fair amount and Tretter got caught trying to bail him out a couple of times rather than getting to the second-level guy.
I'm not one to defend Capers, but he as missing his top 3 CBs and CMIII against arguably the best offense in the NFL. There's only so much you can do with Ladarius Gunter and Demetri Goodson as your starting outside CBs.
This is shaping up to be like 2010 regular season. The team is ravaged by injury but very few are season ending. We can only hope that the missing players get back sooner than later and this team hits it's stride in time to make a playoff run like 2010.
michiganjoe posted:What got McCarthy’s team there in the first place was going predominantly with four and five receivers, and leaving his tight ends on the bench. But on the Packers’ two possessions in the third quarter, McCarthy appeared bent on playing more conventional football, using conventional personnel and running the ball. Both drives ended with punts.
MM went away from what worked so well in the first half.
Yup. As I said in the game thread, Falcons adjusted at half, McCarthy went away from what was working. Enough of the token attempt at being a tough balanced offense, it doesn't work. We are what we are - a Spread offense.
Posters come into the game thread with high level football takes like "Capers sucks" or "horrible play-call". Maybe managing expectations would work better so that you don't have a stroke or get embarrassed that your wife knows more than you about football. Point being, that was a game that everyone knew was going to be a "shoot-out".... NFL's best passing offense against a depleted Packer defense. Disappointing that the defense gave up the winning score- but only giving up 14 points in the second half to that offense should put you in good position. Especially when Atlanta's defense doesn't pose much resistance. Our offense needed to score more than one TD in the second half.
Really enjoyed the game. Some real positives on both sides of the ball.
Positives:
The offense really came together and looked great. It's not quite to the 2010 level yet, but there were glimpses of it everywhere last night--and it was done sans Cobb, running backs (thought Rip looked great), and the number two receiver.
The defense put up a fight. In 2010, the Packers were forced to play a dynimite Patriots team, on the road, and without Aaron Rodgers. They lost by a field goal. Last night, the Packers--without any CBs, Shields, Matthews, and whomever else was out--went up against a solid receiving core with a seasoned QB that can go 300 for 4 on any given weekend. End result, a loss by 1, on the road, with half your team out.
2010 started 3-3 and ended 14-6. If we get healthy, this team has a lot of potential.
Colts (3-5), @Titans (4-4), @Redskins (4-3), @Eagles (4-3), Texans (4-4), Seahawks (4-2-1), @Bears (1-6), Vikings (5-1), @Lions (4-4).
There is a lot of football left.
Negatives:
You can't win enough games in the NFL if you have injuries.
Henry posted:Fedya posted:Blair Kiel posted:I just feel bad for Hank right now.
He's got a mouthful.
You speak as though he doesn't like it.
Again, quit projecting your fantasies on me.
I don't think you fantasize about beating the **** out of Henry, do you?
He doesn't have to fantasize, he gets right to it.
NumberThree posted:Positives:
The offense really came together and looked great. It's not quite to the 2010 level yet, but there were glimpses of it everywhere last night--and it was done sans Cobb, running backs (thought Rip looked great), and the number two receiver.
The defense put up a fight. In 2010, the Packers were forced to play a dynimite Patriots team, on the road, and without Aaron Rodgers. They lost by a field goal. Last night, the Packers--without any CBs, Shields, Matthews, and whomever else was out--went up against a solid receiving core with a seasoned QB that can go 300 for 4 on any given weekend. End result, a loss by 1, on the road, with half your team out.
2010 started 3-3 and ended 14-6. If we get healthy, this team has a lot of potential.
Colts (3-5), @Titans (4-4), @Redskins (4-3), @Eagles (4-3), Texans (4-4), Seahawks (4-2-1), @Bears (1-6), Vikings (5-1), @Lions (4-4).
There is a lot of football left.
Negatives:
You can't win enough games in the NFL if you have injuries.
Good post.
There are some parallels (the biggest being injuries forcing MM to change his schemes and tendencies) - in 2010 it was Finley, in 2016 it's more than half the skill position players on offense. In 2010, just like 2016, there was virtually no threat in the running game until Starks in the playoffs and the TE was virtually nonexistent after Finley got hurt.
The differences (at least right now) is that the 2010 secondary had 3 guys playing a Pro Bowl level who were big-time difference makers (Woodson, Tramon, and Nick Collins) - a sure HOFer and two perennial Pro Bowl level guys along with a young Shields. That's not likely going to be the case for this year's secondary (although the safety pair is clearly top 10 or so in the league). 2010 also had 3 marquee front 7 near their peaks (Raji, the very underrated Cullen Jenkins, and CM3). Even when fully healthy, the difference makers are not there on defense this year.
The offense looked the best it has all year, and Rodgers looked like he got his Mojo back - or he just loves playing in that dome. During the game, as the Pack played so well, I thought that even if they ended up losing it would still be a positive because they may be turning the corner, despite all the missing pieces.
At the end of the game, though, I was really bummed because this was one that they should have won, and I was frustrated by the (lack of) clock management because I knew that the offense would have to take the field again given the way the Falcons were moving the ball so easily. This is the kind of loss that can be a season killer down the road, when conference record or head-to-head results are used in wild card tie-breakers.
McCarthy during his presser just now said Thursday was Rodger's best practice so far this season.
Positives
+ Rodgers accuracy returned.
+ Defense played well enough given the injuries.
+ Te' Adams stacking success. (Except the fumble)
+ Young WR's all stepped up.
Negatives
- First game that we missed Sitton.
- MM not using TO's at end of half or end of game on defense. If we had more time to score a TD, and with the way were playing there is a good chance we did, at the end of the half it's a different game. Same thing at the end of the game, use the TO's there and we are looking at over a min left and we approach that drive differently. MM has never been a good at clock mgt. With all the advanced metrics available today, why can't we have someone on the sideline helping him out with these situations?
- All of our losses are in conference. That's not good for tie breakers. If we end up battling for the wild card, it looks like DAL and ATL will be divisional entries so the head to head won't hurt, but conference losses are high on the list of tie breakers.
It's hard to bitch (too much) given the health of the team and the effort put out yesterday, but....
Once again, as it has been demonstrated every year for the last umpteen years, the Wizard's defense **** the bed in crunch time. And it was just as epic as any of his other failures. Why a DC would call a defense with a LB responsible for covering a WR given the circumstances at that time of the game? Sanu had 4 receptions (9/12/9/9) before his TD on that last drive by the Falcons, so what does Capers counter him with? A LB! And that only added another 11 yards and a TD to his total numbers. That is some outstanding coaching right there!
If one must consider factors like missing players, they also have to consider it's happened (multiple times!) when he had these players available. It makes no difference. Good players, bad ones, not enough good ones at the right positions; whatever excuse is made, the result remains the same.
Capers was a good coach....20 years ago. Today, not so much. I'm guessing MM must be one stubborn, hard-headed SOB, but if he can't make a change, my hope is he becomes the change.
Ryan said it was a blown coverage, he was not supposed to be the only guy covering Sanu.
The Packers were out of defensive backs and the Falcons were scheming to try and get him a mismatch on a linebacker with the bracket of Julio using two DBs. Ryan isn't much of a cover LB really.
I found it curious that both Ryan & Martinez were in the game in that situation. The Falcons had passed on 10 consecutive downs. Wouldn't one of our 100 safeties been a better choice?
Rodgers doesn't trust the young safeties yet.
Blowing coverage against Fitz in the playoffs last year was a mistake that shouldn't have happened. Blowing coverage with three kids trying to sort out zone coverage is what is is. Pretty ****ing unfortunate. I Think Gunter came back in but at that point he was hobbling. So you have Gunter, Goodson, and Hyde trying to stop the highest scoring offense in the NFL. Brice played 25% of the defensive snaps. They did everything they could.
I'd love to see TT break rank today and try to work a deal with Reggie for Hayden. I think Shields has played his last game in GB. Maybe his last game period. And I don't think Rollins and Randall are sure things to stay healthy. Both have missed games in their first two seasons.
I'm really whatever over yesterday. You know what they say about making chicken salad. The two opening possessions of the third pissed me off more than a pack of scrubs in the secondary not locking down a great passing attack.
Onto Indy!
Yup. Why Atlanta made adjustments on D, and we went stupid on O is maddening.
I don't think ATL did anything on D. GB going 11's to open the 3rd was their adjustment. Once Mike ditched going heavy TE's and went 4-5 wide the movement of the football began again. If there's a silver lining it's that Mike knew he had to change gears or he was getting run off the field in the second half.
I get why Mike wanted to run the ball. 5 point lead, shorten the game, controls the clock, etc. etc. But in order to run the ball effectively it's been mentioned you have to have a RB that can, you know, actually run the ball and has had more than 6 carries behind his OL.
Exactly on the running the ball comment. Surprised that MM wouldn't have thought at that point that the game was going to be a track meet and scoring on every possession was the best chance to win.
Watching DickRod try to run block was pure entertainment.
NumberThree posted:Positives:
Colts (3-5), @Titans (4-4), @Redskins (4-3), @Eagles (4-3), Texans (4-4), Seahawks (4-2-1), @Bears (1-6), Vikings (5-1), @Lions (4-4).
There is a lot of football left.
Yesterday proved a few things- most importantly that Rodgers is coming around. And I love that the JSO is taking shots at him today- good!!! Piss him off! We need that pissed off chip on his shoulder Aaron Rodgers to win a Superb Owl.
They need to win out this month. They definitely should be able to...
Richard Rodgers might be the worst blocking TE in the NFL. He simply can't do it. There is no reason for Edgar to think this is ever going to change,
Yeah, a two TE set at this point in time is simply conceding the play. Why MM can't see that....
ChilliJon posted:Richard Rodgers might be the worst blocking TE in the NFL. He simply can't do it. There is no reason for Edgar to think this is ever going to change,
Could not agree more. There are many WRs who are better blockers than RR.
There are also many offensive lineman who have a greater burst and at least as much escapability as RR.
If they NEVER threw to Cook, he would still be an immediate upgrade over RR.
Music City posted:NumberThree posted:Positives:
Colts (3-5), @Titans (4-4), @Redskins (4-3), @Eagles (4-3), Texans (4-4), Seahawks (4-2-1), @Bears (1-6), Vikings (5-1), @Lions (4-4).
There is a lot of football left.
Yesterday proved a few things- most importantly that Rodgers is coming around. And I love that the JSO is taking shots at him today- good!!! Piss him off! We need that pissed off chip on his shoulder Aaron Rodgers to win a Superb Owl.
They need to win out this month. They definitely should be able to...
If only the pissed off chip worked every game.....
Music City posted:They need to win out this month. They definitely should be able to...
If they found a way to lose another game this month I'd be shocked, but I'm not sure where any wins are coming from either. 
Herschel posted:Music City posted:They need to win out this month. They definitely should be able to...
If they found a way to lose another game this month I'd be shocked, but I'm not sure where any wins are coming from either.
Recent history indicates they can beat bad teams......
I like Ripkowski. He's the new William Henderson! Put him at TE.
Jeezus, is it that hard??
YATittle posted:Yeah, a two TE set at this point in time is simply conceding the play. Why MM can't see that....
I think the personnel side of things is fair to criticize more so than the playcalling.
If RichRod can't block and he can't run, why is still on the roster (for one Hail Mary he caught last year)? 7 games into a season where they've played games missing their RBs, several WRs, the other TE, and with another WR coming off an ACL reconstruction - RichRod is on pace for 21 catches and 191 yards. He posted a goose egg yesterday and I honestly think Janis would be a better blocking TE than RichRod.
Why did we go into a season with 2 RBs - one a 30 year old injury prone guy and the other a guy who was pushing 250 pounds even after working out all summer?
Why did we keep 7 receivers when one was Abby?
I am glad to be proven wrong on Davante Adams - who looked pedestrian until showing he can at least step up and be a safety valve the last two games (and has made some incredible catches). Maybe RichRod will prove me wrong as well.
Adams goes for 25 receptions the last two games for 210 and two TDs and he's a safety valve? More safety valve please.
I don't know if Janis would be a better blocker at TE but I do know he'd give better effort.
ChilliJon posted:Adams goes for 25 receptions the last two games for 210 and two TDs and he's a safety valve? More safety valve please.
I don't know if Janis would be a better blocker at TE but I do know he'd give better effort.
I don't mean safety valve as a derogatory statement. He's the guy Rodgers looks to the last two games and he's delivered. He's using him instead of the run game.
Adams had 14 targets, which he turned into 12 catches for 72 yards. That's 5.1 yards per target and 6.2 yards per catch. It's good he hauled in 12 of 14 passes but you expect more yards per catch from your wide receivers. Even Bubba Franks thinks that's too low.
CU. I was going to post some of the **** you've posted about how ****ty Rodgers is this year. But that would have filled a full page. Now it's Adams.
Just STFU please.
How many of those 12 catches were when he came out of the backfield?