It was 3rd and ten and looking back he should have let it go. I know hindsight is 20 20 but letting them punt was the correct play.
Johnson wasn't even close to touching House on the interception.
House is really playing well this year. Thought and still think not giving House momentum into the end zone was really a bad call. Course after all the rule change tinkering, who knows anymore.
House wasn't touched by CJ. So how is he down at the 1? Bad rule. I guess if anything House should have stayed on the ground in the end zone instead of trying to get up. No idea if that effects the ruling though.
Because you can't catch the ball in the field and go into the endzone. If there wasn't the "momentum rule", as Mike Pereira (sp?) called it, then it probably would have been a Safety. Certainly if House had caught it cleanly at the 1 and run backward into the endzone on his own then it would have been a Safety. He's lucky that rule exists because it could have been worse. It was just a freak play, but ultimately it didn't matter because they got the Safety anyway.
House should have just stayed on the ground. Ball should have come out to the 20. If CJ catches that ball and goes down on the 1 untouched and rolls into the end zone, it's a TD.
And if I'm not mistaken, I do believe the whole "momentum" rule came about after Charles Woodson chased down a Seattle RB during his initial stint in Oakland, stripped the ball around the 10 yard line, recovered it around the 2, rolled into the end zone, touched by a Seahawk and the ruling on the field was a safety.
I still think the rule and interpretation still needs a little fine tuning.
EDIT, right player, right game, wrong everything else. Rule change came about after Woodson stripped Ricky Watters on the 25. Marquez Pope landed on the ball and rolled into the end zone. Touched by Seattle. Safety. Gruden went off like a roman candle.
Tulloch tore his ACL. Out for the season.
So at least there's that.
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
House should have just stayed on the ground. Ball should have come out to the 20. If CJ catches that ball and goes down on the 1 untouched and rolls into the end zone, it's a TD.
Yeah but you can't be in the field of play and go backward into the endzone, that's the crux of the issue. House clearly caught the ball on the 1 and then fell into the endzone so he went backwards. It was the right call. A touchback was not an option no matter what, the only other option was a Safety. If anything House should have jumped to catch the ball and tried to land in the endzone because that would have been a touchback, he caught it cleanly at the 1 though.
I get the feeling they love that pitch play to Lacy because it works so well against the Packers defense in practice.
Found on the internet: AR has a tendency to overlook the short easy pass in favor of the longer more difficult passes. I don't know how many times a RB (or H-back) would sneak through the line and be open for a center screen, but not even get a look from AR. There were TEs dragging across the middle, 6 or 7 yards down field, a step on the defender. But no throws. Instead, a sideline fade into double coverage. This has been the case for the last 4 years, it's not anything new.
If their defense front is handling our O-line, the solution, screens and dump-offs. Nope. Don't do that. That'd be too simple. And that is MMs biggest weakness. He can't/won't do thing simple. It's all scheme, scheme, scheme, match-up, match-up, match-up.
Eddie Lacey is a down-hill, between the tackle runner.. so what does MM do? "Let's have him run side-to-side.. That'll fool 'em." No, that'll let them tackle EL for little or no gain, and be thankful.
MM (like Mike Martz) wants to out-think the other guys, believing the 'perfect scheme' will be just so wonderful the defense will be.. well.. defenseless.. against it.
What ever happened to "we'll line up our guys against yours and beat you
AR is doing what mm wants. Matchups are what's most important. Down and distance not so much. And yeah, I agree, almost all our passes are outside the hashmarks. Almost nothing in the middle. Maybe if we had guys in motion once in a while, it would help them get open in the middle.
Originally Posted by michiganjoe:
The play was designed to pop outside of RR but he got blocked off his feet and Lacy ran up his arse. Poor pad level.
They need more dink and dunk early in the game. I agree with the wants to throw the more difficult pass comment...
Originally Posted by titmfatied:
I get the feeling they love that pitch play to Lacy because it works so well against the Packers defense in practice.
I had the same thought last night. Actually my thought was,..this play must have racked up thousands and thousands of yards between Monday and Friday.
My next thought was,.. sooner or later someones going to figure out GB runs this play so much because they can't stop it in practice, and then start running it against GB.
These are the kinds of things I think about after losses.
Good look at the second and one on the final drive that went wrong. Pretty indicative of the OL struggles all day.
Stupid play call at the 1. You have street free agents at DB on Detroit playing against world class WR's in Green Bay. Gimme a break with that play call. That should've been a 99 yard TD pass, instead it's a safety. Brilliant!!
To me, on the safety and the 2nd and 1 plays Lacy didn't run though the called hole. On the safety the play was blown up in the hole and Lacy tried to take it outside, but on the 2nd and 1 there was a hole between the G and T.
Originally Posted by DH13:
Originally Posted by michiganjoe:
The play was designed to pop outside of RR but he got blocked off his feet and Lacy ran up his arse. Poor pad level.
Actually, it's designed to go inside of Rodgers with Bulaga blocking down, Rodgers screening out and Lang pulling and leading through the hole reading inside-out and doubling with Rodgers if there's no inside pursuit, which there should be.
There was.
Safety.
Originally Posted by michiganjoe:
Good look at the second and one on the final drive that went wrong. Pretty indicative of the OL struggles all day.
Yeah, there's a lot of fundamental flop on that play. It's a draw, but Detroit plays it perfectly as Sitton sets just inside the hole, gives a bit too much ground and Bakhtiari fails to ride his guy wide (who didn't bite at all) and Linsley pulls through as the hole closes and Lacy's stuck in no-man's land.
Everything about this play screams WTF???
The design, the scheme, the personnel, the execution, all of it. Look how far Kuhn has to run... and then dive... just to try and engage one guy among 4 that are in position to make the tackle. And if that's not enough, you have Cobb backing up like it's a WR screen to him drawing his coverage directly into the hole Harris is cutting back towards.
I feel like vomiting.
It looked like there was a DuJuan-sized (small) hole between RG and RT that he should have hit instead of getting skittish and trying to take it somewhere else. The ball was pitched to that side and it even looked like Bak was sealing to his left.
quote:I feel like vomiting.
If you must vomit, kindly vomit on Jaymo.
Originally Posted by DH13:
It looked like there was a DuJuan-sized (small) hole between RG and RT that he should have hit instead of getting skittish and trying to take it somewhere else. The ball was pitched to that side and it even looked like Bak was sealing to his left.
THIS. If he just follows Linsley through the hole, at worst it's no gain instead of loss of 3 (and it looks like he probably picks up the first down). That's clearly what the idea behind the play design. If Linsley can run through the hole untouched, Lacy should have been able to follow him.
I worry about Lacy being gun shy after his second concussion. I don't blame him, but he played terrible yesterday. He kept trying to go wide instead of just running between the tackles to get 2-3 yard gains (or at worst to the LOS).
Originally Posted by Herschel:
Safety.
It looks like Rodgers forgot the snap count
Neg - Offense gave up more points (9) than they scored (7) - impossible to win that way
Pos - Defense held a pretty good offense to 10 points, and caused 3 turnovers. I'll take that every day.
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
Everything about this play screams WTF???
The design, the scheme, the personnel, the execution, all of it. Look how far Kuhn has to run... and then dive... just to try and engage one guy among 4 that are in position to make the tackle. And if that's not enough, you have Cobb backing up like it's a WR screen to him drawing his coverage directly into the hole Harris is cutting back towards.
I feel like vomiting.
Cobb did the right thing if the play works at all drawing off the d-back. Lang is leading in the RG/RT gap, Bulaga holds his man (though doesn't get great push) where the play is designed to go and Kuhn is looking to cut off any back-side pursuit but Linsley is absolutely blown up and gets pushed right in to the designed hole. Harris and Kuhn try to improvise to make something out of nothing but that play was kaput as soon as Linsley was manhandled so thoroughly and the back side defenders didn't overpursue.
Agree with this.
Takeaways from Packers offensive coordinator Tom Clements:
1.Team had 6 drops (too many)
2.RB missed some holes
3.Pass pro was good enough
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
Agree with this.
Takeaways from Packers offensive coordinator Tom Clements:
1.Team had 6 drops (too many)
2.RB missed some holes
3.Pass pro was good enough
Sounds like it had nothing to do with Mr Clements. Game plan, playcalling and the QB were good. As usual all us poor rubes watching at home saw a different game.
Went to Detroit and got shoved around. Like that's never happened before.
Pack has faced 3 good defensive fronts so far. Physical play up front. Not our strong suit.
Lacy needs to sit for a bit. he did an awful job on his reads. Starks is really getting it now.
We lost time of possession 37-23. Someone complained the D didn't stop them at the end.
Our D was gassed at the end because our chitty O couldn't control the ball let alone score.
3 turnovers, away game, held them to 10 points. Every D gets gassed when they're got an O like ours.
Again, how can you blame the defense in this game? They basically allowed 10 points to the Lions on their fast track. I'll take that any day of the week.
Now it's all on Lacy because he sucked yesterday too? Give me a break.
The real failure was Rodgers playing like crap and MM making stupid playcalls. As unusual and infrequent that may seem it's the damn truth.
The press conference was an absolute embarrassment. Is McCarthy channeling his inner Denny Green?
Now it's all on Lacy because he sucked yesterday too? Give me a break.
The real failure was Rodgers playing like crap and MM making stupid playcalls. As unusual and infrequent that may seem it's the damn truth.
The press conference was an absolute embarrassment. Is McCarthy channeling his inner Denny Green?
Originally Posted by Pikes Peak:
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
Agree with this.
Takeaways from Packers offensive coordinator Tom Clements:
1.Team had 6 drops (too many)
2.RB missed some holes
3.Pass pro was good enough
Sounds like it had nothing to do with Mr Clements. Game plan, playcalling and the QB were good. As usual all us poor rubes watching at home saw a different game.
All three of those takeaways from Clements are accurate. And yes, Rodgers played poorly.
Let's see... We have a mess on the Oline with a rookie center, an Oline guy just getting back from a major injury last year and a fairly significant one this year, a QB who is off his game so far, and an RB who is coming off his second concussion. Our defense sucks against the run. This just does not seem like a good combination in which to run the no-huddle for success.
Why not get everyone on the same page by using the huddle? Keep the D off the field, let our Oline regroup, and AR can provide some leadership between plays. The no-huddle so far has left our D out to dry playing almost two-thirds of the game, and it's left our O scrambling and/or just plain vanilla. AR has always been deadly in the two-minute drill using the no-huddle, but this emphasis on it all the time just seems to be failing. This isn't Oregon and this isn't Philadelphia, and MM, you are not Brian Kelly. Go back to the huddle.
Tend to agree on the no huddle for what's stated above. GB runs it like true Champs in the preseason, and like me and my family in the regular season. I know MM may be trying to take his offense to another level, but it's clear they have execution issues. The effects on the defense (again as posted above) can't be overlooked.
I was there at the game and I have a little bit a fluff report mixed in with positives and negatives.
Negatives: There were a few plays were the secondary was flat out confused on what they should be doing. Not sure if you could see that on TV or not but at times they were pointing and yelling at each other with hands in the air trying to figure out what to do. Every play this happened the Lions seemed to be on top of it and exposed it.
The safety happened right in front of me and I saw that play coming even before the snap. The Lions DL just blew up the OL and Lacy never had a chance.
The play calling at times. In the 3rd quarter Rodgers got the ball with just over 10 minutes left and he took them right down the field with some decent passing and they found a rhythm but then they tried running the ball and the momentum was gone.
The Reggie Bush TD also happened right in front of me and OMG the Packers tackling on that play? There was no tackling on that play ugh.
I wasn't real wild about the play calling. The running game over all wasn't doing well because the Lions are so good against the run but the Packers didn't seem to do anything to loosen the Lions up.
Positives:
The defense did play well and with the exception of a couple plays they kept Calvin Johnson covered.
If you haven't been to Ford Field I would really encourage you to go. Yes it is in Detoilet but the Lions fans treated us really well, The stadium is really nice, and the Packers fans (as usual) travelled really well.
The other positive is that it is now Bears week so we can put this one behind us!
Originally Posted by Orlando Wolf:
Could we get a 2nd for rodgers?
Along with 3 1st's and 2 3rd's and a 4th?
How about tossing in the Jaguars franchise?