Said it over and over: AR is always trying to make the big play and will not settle for the 5-7 yarders, despite the fact that if you get two of those you live for another series. He has done this for about five years now where he is reading his own pub at how he can scramble and make heroic plays. Anyone doubt that, say, an Alex Smith would take those six-yarders and march down the field? AR needs to become less of a hero and more of a maestro directing his team down the field.
+ MVS got some valuable experience today. Same for ESB. Worried about JM.
+ Ty didn't get hurt and is showing some really nice ability
- second full game I was able to watch, after the WAS game.
- I joked after Crosby's 2nd miss that he might miss 5 and make the 6th. joke was on me.
- everything everyone already said. Dix looking offensively bad. Not sure King is the player I thought he was.
All that said, I don't get how so many people seem surprised that the offense was as scattershot as it was today. what the f do people expect with 2 rookies starting and 3 seeing the field. add 2 new TE's and an OL with 2 good parts and this is what you should expect. at least from MM. I don't know if any of the flavor of the day HC's would do much better with what was on the field today but MM had a Capers-leaning performance in showing that he can only get his O to perform with high quality starters.
Pistol GB posted:RochNyFan posted:lovepack posted:Poz: it ended
Neg: the season hasn't
Oh, this season is pretty much done. They've sleepwalked thru the easier part of the schedule. They'll finish 9-6-1 at best. Will get rolled by the Rams and Pat's, and lose at Minny and Bears.
NEW MODS: my nomination for worst post of the year so far right here.
What's the matter, Col. Jessop? Can't handle the truth?
packerboi posted:justanotherpackerfan posted:I get it...it was a bad game all around. But there are two things I don’t get....
1.) why all the angst towards Rodgers. Yes, he missed some throws...but I don’t get the “padding the stats” anger. I saw a player trying to win a game. Maybe I am just naïve
I think AR is representative of this team's outright anemia in the 1st half in games this season. It takes them getting their ass kicked in the first half of games before finally someone lights a fire under their ass and they get going.
Aaron flat out missed at least 3-4 WIDE open WR's/TE's in the 1st Q. Plays he absolutely should make. He did that last week against Buffalo. He did it early against Washington (though drops certainly didn't help).
This is also a team under MM that has a 1st and goal at the 9. Williams runs for a healthy 6 yards. Now it's at the 3. So, do we give it to Williams again? Nope. Aaron Jones? Nope. Instead, 2 straight incompletions. Just mind numbingly frustrating and symbolic of McStubborn.
Then it's also Aaron continuing to swing for the fences. Again and again. When you go back and look, he's got an open WR or TE underneath for 6-7 yards and you can move the chains. And MM either won't call him out on it or AR won't listen. It's frustrating as hell.
AR is getting paid an insane amount of money. Is it always fair he gets now double the scrutiny ? Maybe not. But at 33 mil a year, missing throws, not seeing open guys, and then pointing fingers last week at the game plan when your not playing nearly well enough isn't going to cut it.
McFieldgoal.
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Young receivers look interesting
The Packers ran the ball well when they wanted to
Nobody's running away with the NFC North
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Just disgusted with the officiating. The Eagles-Vikings game turned on a terrible roughing the passer call
This team looks sloppy and poorly coached almost every week. When's the last time the Packers scored a TD on their opening drive?
I hear you Tsch. I don't watch the Packers live anymore. I am also heartbroken that I just am not that interested in the league either. Football was my life. Now its meh!
+ NFL hasn’t kicked Packers out of league for poor performance
- NFL hasn’t kicked officials out of league for poor performance.
Hey Brewers just advanced so it’s not all bad
Watch the enthusiasm of that team - it’s nothing like rhe NFLFU. That’s what draws fan interest and the NFL is destroying their product week by week
Park Avenue **** you greedy ass NFL
RochNyFan posted:Pistol GB posted:RochNyFan posted:lovepack posted:Poz: it ended
Neg: the season hasn't
Oh, this season is pretty much done. They've sleepwalked thru the easier part of the schedule. They'll finish 9-6-1 at best. Will get rolled by the Rams and Pat's, and lose at Minny and Bears.
NEW MODS: my nomination for worst post of the year so far right here.
What's the matter, Col. Jessop? Can't handle the truth?
Predictions aren’t “truth,” Alexandre. Least of all yours.
Rolled by the Rams and Pats, and lose against the Bears and at “Minny.” You’re on.
Actually, according to that gem of a post, this season is “pretty much done.” See you next year, then?
They best play better in those games or he may be right.
Pikes Peak posted:They best play better in those games or he may be right.
No feces Fred, but declaring the season over after 5 games is just plain ign’ant.
Also, it ignores history, which is never smart.
PackerBackerDPM posted:Defense did play well, well enough to win an NFL games. And that’s with the crappiest saftey play I’ve ever seen
Offense had too many WR in the same 5 yard area, Adams and Kendrick (I believe) ran into each other. Aaron looking for big plays and when they work we all cheer but left a TON out there once again.
It was Adams and Montgomery on one of Arod’s fumbles
I don't think it's the record that people find most troubling. It's how they got there. There is plent of season left but this slow sloppy start looks different than the other slow starts we've seen from this team. Lots of new pieces to the pie so it will depend on how quickly they get all the gears turning in the right direction that will determine how far they get this year. I'll say it again; this is first year of what will take at least another year to correct.
Pikes Peak posted:Before I can give the D a pass I need someone to explain to me why their guys were wide open in the end zone at least twice.
Haha on at least one.
-I don't understand 88 at RB in red zone going for 3rd (?)TD. I like 88 but he should be riding the bench not in rotation.
- AR holding ball for home runs vs take what D give s you and get 1st downs.
+ a few plays by young WRs and 17
+ Adams. The team got better in the second half. Rookies got some experence.
- Everything else.
DH13 posted:I don't think it's the record that people find most troubling. It's how they got there. There is plent of season left but this slow sloppy start looks different than the other slow starts we've seen from this team.
You mean like when we had no receivers, or when half of the team was on IR, or when we had no RB, or no TE?
I agree this year looks different than the other slow starts. It looks better. We’ve got a full stable of receivers, some actual TE’s, a running game, and our full starting OL healthy. This team is intact.
This is the NFL and the Lions are not a bad team. Crosby plays like Crosby, and this discussion isn’t even happening. More importantly, there’s 3/4 of the season left to be played. 11 games.
11 freaking games and we’re healthy. I’d say the outlook is good.
The absolute bottom line with this game was three turnovers at our 1, 22, & 29 yard lines. Even with the missed FGs & offensive first half problems, we win this game without the turnovers.
Pistol GB posted:DH13 posted:I don't think it's the record that people find most troubling. It's how they got there. There is plent of season left but this slow sloppy start looks different than the other slow starts we've seen from this team.
You mean like when we had no receivers, or when half of the team was on IR, or when we had no RB, or no TE?
I agree this year looks different than the other slow starts. It looks better. We’ve got a full stable of receivers, some actual TE’s, a running game, and our full starting OL healthy. This team is intact.
This is the NFL and the Lions are not a bad team. Crosby plays like Crosby, and this discussion isn’t even happening. More importantly, there’s 3/4 of the season left to be played. 11 games.
11 freaking games and we’re healthy. I’d say the outlook is good.
Exactly. And yet they still look mistake prone and listless. Full stable of WR's? Two starters are out, replaced by late round rookies. Those are quite the G&G glasses you must have strapped on. Show me a line up of receivers in the first 5 games of any season since 2010 that looked worse that what was out there today. Like I already said in the post you twist-cropped, there are a lot of new pieces that need to develop and clean up or we're looking at another mid-round draft position next May.
Pistol GB posted:2-2-1 and the season’s over. What a dick.
I always love when people who disagree with a post have to go to name calling. I've been a fan of this team since I was a kid cheering for John Brockington and Mcarthur Lane. After a couple of decades of suck, I've enjoyed every minute of the Pack's success since Wolf, Favre, White arrived. I've even shelled out for that worthless piece of paper that calls me an owner, just to support my team. Last week I was at Lambeau, again shelling out bank for tix, airfare, hotel for me and two of my kids. Just because I am honest enough to see the many flaws of this team, a long with crappy coaching and suspect depth caused by crappy drafts, coupled with a very strong NFC....you start the name calling. Very intelligent response, "Pistol.".....lol.
Packers are 23-23-1 in their past 47 regular-season games
9 missed by Rodgers and he's played 5 this year on a bad leg. Still pretty mediocre in my opinion.
I think you just proved the point how important a healthly Rodgers is - or how flawed the team is without a healthy Rodgers.
12 on his own is probably a 5/6 game swing meaning his presence alone probably adds or subtracts 5 or 6 games to the W/L column.
Yep...that's my take on it too. Other teams figure out how to win without an Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady on their roster, (Still need better than a Hundley) but without him we're a well below .500 team over the past few years.
There were an awful lot of hits to the Eagles' QB by the Vikes after he had gotten rid of the ball. Lots of those would have been called penalties this year, but for whatever reason they weren't. Michael Bennett wraps up Cousins around the knees WITH THE BALL, he falls back on top of Bennett, and it is a roughing the passer.
It is so inconsistent it is disgusting to try and watch.
GreenBayLA posted:-I don't understand 88 at RB in red zone going for 3rd (?)TD. I like 88 but he should be riding the bench not in rotation.
- AR holding ball for home runs vs take what D give s you and get 1st downs.
+ a few plays by young WRs and 17
I think 88 is in when they go into an offense where they don’t substitute at all, he was in that whole drive. He’s a bette match up against LB in the passing game, but you lose a significant amount in the running game with him in.
RochNyFan posted:Pistol GB posted:2-2-1 and the season’s over. What a dick.
I always love when people who disagree with a post have to go to name calling. I've been a fan of this team since I was a kid cheering for John Brockington and Mcarthur Lane. After a couple of decades of suck, I've enjoyed every minute of the Pack's success since Wolf, Favre, White arrived. I've even shelled out for that worthless piece of paper that calls me an owner, just to support my team. Last week I was at Lambeau, again shelling out bank for tix, airfare, hotel for me and two of my kids. Just because I am honest enough to see the many flaws of this team, a long with crappy coaching and suspect depth caused by crappy drafts, coupled with a very strong NFC....you start the name calling. Very intelligent response, "Pistol.".....lol.
And I always love it when fans declare the season over when it’s barely past the 1/4 mark, then try to take the high ground after being called out for it.
You really want to cry about being called a name after spewing that crap on a Packer board?
Newsflash: There’s nothing “honest” about predicting blowout losses and predicting losses to division rivals. You weren't stating facts, you were crapping the bed, plain and simple. And you know it.
So yeah, the unwritten rule is attack the post, not the poster. So replace “dick” with “crap-the-bed, dickhead maneuver.” All better?
p.s., I was there in the 80’s too, and this clearly is not the 80’s, so I’m not sure what you're trying to prove with that.
p.p.s., I was also there for R-E-L-A-X and “Run the table.” Shorten up your memory, hey.
DH13 posted:I don't think it's the record that people find most troubling. It's how they got there. There is plent of season left but this slow sloppy start looks different than the other slow starts we've seen from this team. Lots of new pieces to the pie so it will depend on how quickly they get all the gears turning in the right direction that will determine how far they get this year. I'll say it again; this is first year of what will take at least another year to correct.
I agree on this start. It seems that for the majority of MM years, the team starts slow and then picks it up. But in the past, you could see some bright spots. Things were crisper and a little sharper, but one thing or the other would be a little off, then it would get straightened out and next thing you know, we're in the playoffs again. But this year, it's been sloppy, sloppy play: guys dropping balls all over, AR playing sandlot, MM's playcalling, calling TOs early in halves, etc. I'm not sure it gets straightened out this year. I think the team knows it's playing under a lame-duck coach and it is taking the "who gives a crap?" outlook. It would take a very strong coach to rein everyone in at this point to remold the team as a unit, and I'm not sure MM wants to spend the time and energy to do that.
Wow. You'd think this was night time cable news. I don't think calling the season over is any less reactionary than expecting this crap show to turn it around.
We're all very passionate. We've all seen this movie before. Believe me, we hope they turn it around. But with our safeties, guards, inside linebackers and coach, it's difficult to imagine right now.
I don't think it's over yet, but call me... skeptical.
DH13 posted:Pistol GB posted:DH13 posted:I don't think it's the record that people find most troubling. It's how they got there. There is plent of season left but this slow sloppy start looks different than the other slow starts we've seen from this team.
You mean like when we had no receivers, or when half of the team was on IR, or when we had no RB, or no TE?
I agree this year looks different than the other slow starts. It looks better. We’ve got a full stable of receivers, some actual TE’s, a running game, and our full starting OL healthy. This team is intact.
This is the NFL and the Lions are not a bad team. Crosby plays like Crosby, and this discussion isn’t even happening. More importantly, there’s 3/4 of the season left to be played. 11 games.
11 freaking games and we’re healthy. I’d say the outlook is good.
Exactly. And yet they still look mistake prone and listless. Full stable of WR's? Two starters are out, replaced by late round rookies. Those are quite the G&G glasses you must have strapped on. Show me a line up of receivers in the first 5 games of any season since 2010 that looked worse that what was out there today. Like I already said in the post you twist-cropped, there are a lot of new pieces that need to develop and clean up or we're looking at another mid-round draft position next May.
2015: Jordy out for the year, we were trotting out James Jones and an injured Adams at WR. Richard Rodgers at TE. We still made the playoffs (and advanced), and when Cobb got hurt, we started Jeff Janis and Jared freakin Abbredaris!
Our starting WR’s are coming back, and the backups are up-and-coming. I don’t think that’s green and gold glasses at WR and TE. That group is good. AR gets his head out, which I wouldn’t bet against, and this team can beat anybody.
Pistol GB posted:RochNyFan posted:Pistol GB posted:2-2-1 and the season’s over. What a dick.
I always love when people who disagree with a post have to go to name calling. I've been a fan of this team since I was a kid cheering for John Brockington and Mcarthur Lane. After a couple of decades of suck, I've enjoyed every minute of the Pack's success since Wolf, Favre, White arrived. I've even shelled out for that worthless piece of paper that calls me an owner, just to support my team. Last week I was at Lambeau, again shelling out bank for tix, airfare, hotel for me and two of my kids. Just because I am honest enough to see the many flaws of this team, a long with crappy coaching and suspect depth caused by crappy drafts, coupled with a very strong NFC....you start the name calling. Very intelligent response, "Pistol.".....lol.
And I always love it when fans declare the season over when it’s barely past the 1/4 mark, then try to take the high ground after being called out for it.
You really want to cry about being called a name after spewing that crap on a Packer board?
Newsflash: There’s nothing “honest” about predicting blowout losses and predicting losses to division rivals. You weren't stating facts, you were crapping the bed, plain and simple. And you know it.
So yeah, the unwritten rule is attack the post, not the poster. So replace “dick” with “crap-the-bed, dickhead maneuver.” All better?
p.s., I was there in the 80’s too, and this clearly is not the 80’s, so I’m not sure what you're trying to prove with that.
p.p.s., I was also there for R-E-L-A-X and “Run the table.” Shorten up your memory, hey.
You win, ok? No doubt about it, this team is rock solid and playoff bound. Whatever....I call it as I see it. I remember Packer teams that were 6-6 (I think it was the year Ahman Green was a force with Sherman's U-78 (?) package), but it was evident they were starting to click and you knew they were a play off team. Same thing in 2014 with the "Relax" prophecy. Sorry, I just don't see it this year, this team seems lethargic and lacking in fire. I guess that means I'm a bad fan and bed-crapper. Or so the apparent smartest guy on the board tells me. Have a good night, buddy.
Pistol GB posted:2015: Jordy out for the year, we were trotting out James Jones and an injured Adams at WR. Richard Rodgers at TE. We still made the playoffs (and advanced), and when Cobb got hurt, we started Jeff Janis and Jared freakin Abbredaris!
Our starting WR’s are coming back, and the backups are up-and-coming. I don’t think that’s green and gold glasses at WR and TE. That group is good. AR gets his head out, which I wouldn’t bet against, and this team can beat anybody.
Wrong, changing the question. You claimed we had a full stable of WR's, present. Today we did not. We had 1 starter and 3 rookies. Which is one of the reasons I said we struggled. First 5 games, not final playoff game of the year. Oh yeah, Cobb was also still there first 5 games of 2015. I don't think you're reading my posts correctly.
You said name a worse group. I did that: first 5 games of 2015 even with Cobb. It was him and no one else.
For their first start in the NFL, I thought the rookies looked okay today, and they are only going to get better. Plus Kumerow is coming back!😉
Cobb’s and G-mo’s injuries are short-term, meaning, the stable is still full going forward. That’s what we’re worried about right? The future? That’s why I said that. Compared to other years we are stocked, IMO.
But the new doctor is female. And she's about to premiere.
Pistol GB posted:DH13 posted:I don't think it's the record that people find most troubling. It's how they got there. There is plent of season left but this slow sloppy start looks different than the other slow starts we've seen from this team.
You mean like when we had no receivers, or when half of the team was on IR, or when we had no RB, or no TE?
I agree this year looks different than the other slow starts. It looks better. We’ve got a full stable of receivers, some actual TE’s, a running game, and our full starting OL healthy. This team is intact.
This is the NFL and the Lions are not a bad team. Crosby plays like Crosby, and this discussion isn’t even happening. More importantly, there’s 3/4 of the season left to be played. 11 games.
11 freaking games and we’re healthy. I’d say the outlook is good.
I'd also add that Pettine has a chance to get more out of this defense. It doesn't mean he will, but we had a large enough sample size to know that Dom Capers was not going to. They will have to make a decision on Kevin King - did they play him before he was healthy or is he never going to be an answer.
The Silverdome has never been an easy place to play even when the Lions were terrible, and Matt Stafford is not a bad QB.
Did Aaron Jones 7th and final carry last night go for 6 yards with 3:50 remaining in the second qtr? He was averaging close to 6 per carry so I'm assuming he was hurt again. Anything serious?
ChilliJon posted:Did Aaron Jones 7th and final carry last night go for 6 yards with 3:50 remaining in the second qtr? He was averaging close to 6 per carry so I'm assuming he was hurt again. Anything serious?
Nope, Jones was not injured.
His lack of play was by choice.
Then, after not playing him for 2 full quarters, Mac put Jones back in for the final, meaningless drive -- where he nearly did get injured on a horse-collar tackle along the sideline.
Mac's refusal to come out running with Aaron Jones against the 32nd ranked run D is just another example of Mac doing Mac things.
You are what your record says you are. For the 3rd time in 5 games they were down big at halftime (17-0, 28-10, 24-0). In each of these 3 games, they melted down in a single phase of the game that directly created the deficit- against the Bears it was offense, against the Redskins defense, and yesterday STs. Then you have to add the 22 point 4th quarter meltdown by the defense in the Vikings game that was exasperated by a completely ridiculous call by the officials.
So the tally is one game without a complete meltdown in one phase of the game in 5. It is not easy to determine whether this is the sign of a good team close to figuring it out or a bad team on the verge of a total collapse. That’s why you have wildly varying points of view as to what is happening and why.
I honestly have no feel for what this team is right now. They’re searching... you can see it... and that’s probably because they don’t know either. And if this team cannot figure out who they are real damn soon, we’ll be looking at a new coaching staff this time next year- because knowing what kind of team you are is the purview of the head coach.
