They win on the east coast by 18 & by reading some of the comments you'd think they were the Lions or Cowboys.
Sad. 😕
+ Holding serve within the division, keep it up next week.
- The only negative could be the Vikings pulling out a win tomorrow night. Let's turn that game into a positive, Wilson.
Edit - OK another positive is Rodgers tied Favre with his 23rd game of 4 or more passing TD's in his career. That's 4th most since 1950. But, according to Vikings fans only 3 of those 23 games really count.
BrainDed posted:Pakrz posted:Blake Martinez is a productive MLB but he does have his limitations. He is not a 3-down linebacker with exceptional coverage skills. GB needs to draft one of those dudes or sign one in FA.
GB will resign Martinez. Wait and see suckas.
....and just like Brad Jones and AJ Hawk before him, it will be a huge mistake.
His production can be replaced by an off the street guy at a fraction of what he is going to ask for in free agency. If this was baseball, Blake is like a .5 WAR. Barely better than replacement level.
Yet we have folks here who want to give him that money. They are dum-dums.
Henry postedBTW Artis, you're actually talking about possibilities and results even if there are disagreements. Thanks for not outright shitting on everything the Packers are trying to do.
I imagine I was frustrated as anyone on the board can be in-game. Rodgers had me yelling at the screen a few times today. For me, a lot of it stems from knowing his window is beginning to close, and father time is now visible. The rest of it stems from having seen their best this year and knowing they are capable. It's a good football team that like you said has warts.
It's good to be critical with an eye for becoming better. But that also means giving players their due when warranted. Again, 9-3 is well beyond what I anticipated this season. New HC, new scheme, new personnel. Match the Pack to this NYG team....2 years with Macadoo turned into Shurmur and it only got worse from there. That organization is in shambles....that could've been GB. So realistically, any postseason at all is a big step considering the last 3 years. Anything more is icing on the cake.
There's no doubt this team can be very frustrating. Perhaps mostly because we know they are capable of so much better, but also because we have a high level of expectations. It certainly couldn't be that we are the least bit spoiled, or anything like that...
The bottom line is that it's hard to argue with results.
We aren't in the driver's seat for playoff seeding, but I'd say we're riding shotgun, and some didn't expect that much. And since they've reached that point, I see it as essentially playing with house money the rest of the way. So let it ride and hang on for the finish!
However, the team remains what it is regardless of record. We're likely to finish the year with the same warts that are currently showing, and there's not a white knight FA that's going to arrive and make them disappear.
But that doesn't mean we can't win. It's hard to imagine us being competitive with the Saints or 49ers, as examples, but not impossible.
Since we watch every (or almost every) play of every game we tend to hyper focus on the negative, which is human nature. Reminds me of what Bobby Knights player's used to joke about. They said that the best way to get more playing time was to get hurt & not be able to practice for a week .....the more he saw them play, the more he focused on their mistakes & became convinced they weren't any good.
Boris posted:They win on the east coast by 18 & by reading some of the comments you'd think they were the Lions or Cowboys.
Sad. 😕
Agreed. I don't mean to be "that guy" but stop and think about this team for a second. How many of us before the season (and be honest) would have thought we would be 9-3 at this point in the season?
Does the team have holes? oh sure it does and not many NFL don't have some holes in their roster? Anyhow after the last 2 years of mediocre football I am enjoying the ride of this season. Do I expect a Super Bowl? no I don't but I have a feeling this team will be heard from in the playoffs.
Found on the road internet: A couple key players struggled today, too. Blake Martinez collected tackles (10 today, which led the team), but it’s more about what he doesn’t do that contributes to the team’s struggles. On a fourth and short, Preston Smith contacts the ball carrier short of the marker, but can’t make the tackle. The Giants convert because the Packers, specifically Martinez, don’t fill. He’s also one of the reasons for the porous middle-zone pass coverage, as he doesn’t close throwing lanes well.
Despite playing just about every down, Martinez has yet to record a pass defensed. For comparison's sack, Eric Kendricks has 12
You’re being paged at the white courtesy phone.
You know, for all the kvetching about the offense, it was really only the last drive of the 1st half and first drive of the 2nd half where they struggled. Before and after that they had a total of 5 scoring drives, 4 of them were touchdowns. The defense allowed the Giants offense to stay on the field way too long yesterday. If they had forced a couple more 3 and outs (like the opening drive) or drives with maybe 1 first down before the turnovers started we are probably looking at a 50-burger game.
The Giants had drives of 5:27, 9:31 and 5:11. Bitch about the defense all you want but the offense did pretty well for the time they were allotted this game.
And for the Vikings whiners concerning penalties this was yet another game where the Packers had more flags than the other team. 7 to 4 in favor of the home team. But but but #GBRefs
When it comes to the Packers being significantly above average in terms of first downs granted due to penalty, I kind of wonder if that's something that Rodgers specifically targets when picking out a receiver. Does he see a receiver getting mugged and throw the ball somewhere in the vicinity just so the refs notice the mugging and a penalty flag is thrown?
Maybe it's just blind luck, but the stats they quoted in the game were interesting. I think they said the average number of first downs granted by penalty for NFL teams was 24 and the Packers were at 36. They basically get 33% more 1st downs via penalty more than the average NFL team. That seems like it's not just luck, maybe it's something the Pack actually tries to do to bait refs into a call? I just find it interesting the Pack is that far ahead of most of the rest of the NFL in that category. I'd be interested to see if someone can find a valid reason why that might be, and no, I don't think the NFL and the refs "favor" the Packers.
YATittle posted:Despite playing just about every down, Martinez has yet to record a pass defensed. For comparison's sack, Eric Kendricks has 12
Despite playing just about every down, Martinez has yet to record a pass defensed. For comparison's sack, Eric Kendricks has 12.
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) December 2, 2019
++++ Allen Lazard wants to be our #1 WR. What a game he had! Marcedes Lewis gets his 1st TD of the year! Z. Smith pressured the QB a lot. INTs by Savage, Tramon and King! Mason Crosby kicking FGs and PATs in these types of conditions was amazing! The offense wins the game by putting up the points. This game never seemed in doubt, for me. The Offense kept moving the chains and scoring and the Defense halted NYG's drives with INTs and by putting a lot of pressure on their QB. Fackrell had a good enough game on STs and in pressuring the QB. Kenny Clark pressured the QB and had a picture perfect tackle of Barkley, for a loss, when the NYG O Line decided not to block Clark. Clark and Fackrell, both, had solid games pressuring the QB. I'll take this win!
-----Some bad officiating, again. The GB Refs called it a catch when WR Shepherd was bobbling the ball with only one foot in bounds and let the play stand after replay. The nonexistent penalty on Martinez was baffling. Did someone in the Front Office forget to pay these refs? Our own refs, too! Our DBs looked a little lost in zone coverage. A few plays caught King off guard, playing soft coverage in zone defense. I'll take Kevin King in man coverage over anybody in this league. Put King in Zone Coverage and it's anybody's bet if he, or any GB defender, can make a play on the WR/TE/RB catching the ball in the wide open middle.
Chongo posted:YATittle posted:Despite playing just about every down, Martinez has yet to record a pass defensed. For comparison's sack, Eric Kendricks has 12
Despite playing just about every down, Martinez has yet to record a pass defensed. For comparison's sack, Eric Kendricks has 12.
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) December 2, 2019
Shame on Michael for stealing YA's material!
Was just dead wrong on MVS being ready to be the #2 WR. He just looks lost and has no connection(literally) with Rodgers. Thought Davante, MVS, and EQ were going to be a formidable trio. Oops.
The "Lazard King" is the real #2 WR on this team.
The biggest positive is that when Daniel Jones gave the defense chances at interceptions, they made the play. Savage had an easy interception, but we often see DBs drop that kind of play. King's interception was still easy, but a little more difficult. Tramon's interception looked like he was an NFL caliber WR tracking the ball.
When the Packers take advantage of the turnover chances opposing QBs give them they can beat even decent to good teams (Cousins, Trubisky, Prescott, Carr). When they don't make those plays, they can lose to weak teams (Rivers).
Packdog posted:Was just dead wrong on MVS being ready to be the #2 WR. He just looks lost and has no connection(literally) with Rodgers. Thought Davante, MVS, and EQ were going to be a formidable trio. Oops.
The "Lazard King" is the real #2 WR on this team.
Lazard is a keeper and will be a really good #3 WR if they add a speed guy next year. MVS was supposed to be that guy, but it just hasn't happened.
Lazard is very comparable to James Jones, a really good possession receiver; except he's a lot bigger. At some point, do you consider Lazard at TE? He's 6'5" 230. He'd be a nightmare matchup for a LB or a safety. I've not really paid attention to how good he is as a blocker, but if he's even adequate, he's an asset on the field.
Sternberger is 6'4" 250. If Lazard puts on 10 pounds, there's not much difference.
Packdog posted:Was just dead wrong on MVS being ready to be the #2 WR. He just looks lost and has no connection(literally) with Rodgers. Thought Davante, MVS, and EQ were going to be a formidable trio. Oops.
The "Lazard King" is the real #2 WR on this team.
I think it was wishful thinking from all of us. WRs generally need at least 3 years to be ready unless they're just insane talents, MVS needs to hone his craft in the offseason be 1000% on the same page with the offense. At times I think that's been his (and others) biggest issue is that they're just no on the same page with AR. Adams, AR, the OL, Graham, etc. are veterans and picked things up quickly, but MVS, EQ, Shepard, Kumerow, etc. are on their 2nd offense in 2 years, so I'm cutting them a little slack. Lazard has been the exception, but by all accounts he has the mental makeup to step in immediately, kid seems to get it, which is less common IMO. Lets see what MVS does in year 3, Allison and Graham will likely be gone, so there will be plenty of opportunities for him.
fightphoe93 posted:When it comes to the Packers being significantly above average in terms of first downs granted due to penalty, I kind of wonder if that's something that Rodgers specifically targets when picking out a receiver. Does he see a receiver getting mugged and throw the ball somewhere in the vicinity just so the refs notice the mugging and a penalty flag is thrown?
Maybe it's just blind luck, but the stats they quoted in the game were interesting. I think they said the average number of first downs granted by penalty for NFL teams was 24 and the Packers were at 36. They basically get 33% more 1st downs via penalty more than the average NFL team. That seems like it's not just luck, maybe it's something the Pack actually tries to do to bait refs into a call? I just find it interesting the Pack is that far ahead of most of the rest of the NFL in that category. I'd be interested to see if someone can find a valid reason why that might be, and no, I don't think the NFL and the refs "favor" the Packers.
Obviously interfering is the only way opposing D's can stop our elite WR's. That's why they're not getting open!!
But seriously, that is really interesting take, 93. Probably not something AR would ever divulge if true but if it smells like a duck...
DH13 posted:fightphoe93 posted:When it comes to the Packers being significantly above average in terms of first downs granted due to penalty, I kind of wonder if that's something that Rodgers specifically targets when picking out a receiver. Does he see a receiver getting mugged and throw the ball somewhere in the vicinity just so the refs notice the mugging and a penalty flag is thrown?
Maybe it's just blind luck, but the stats they quoted in the game were interesting. I think they said the average number of first downs granted by penalty for NFL teams was 24 and the Packers were at 36. They basically get 33% more 1st downs via penalty more than the average NFL team. That seems like it's not just luck, maybe it's something the Pack actually tries to do to bait refs into a call? I just find it interesting the Pack is that far ahead of most of the rest of the NFL in that category. I'd be interested to see if someone can find a valid reason why that might be, and no, I don't think the NFL and the refs "favor" the Packers.
Obviously interfering is the only way opposing D's can stop our elite WR's. That's why they're not getting open!!
But seriously, that is really interesting take, 93. Probably not something AR would ever divulge if true but if it smells like a duck...
Maybe it's also a function of how often AR extends plays relative to other QBs. We all get frustrated at how long he holds the ball sometimes, but if a WR changes direction on a sandlot play, the DB is much more likely to hold at some point.
PackerHawk posted:Chongo posted:YATittle posted:Despite playing just about every down, Martinez has yet to record a pass defensed. For comparison's sack, Eric Kendricks has 12
Despite playing just about every down, Martinez has yet to record a pass defensed. For comparison's sack, Eric Kendricks has 12.
— Michael Rodney (@PackersNotes) December 2, 2019Shame on Michael for stealing YA's material!
Forgot the Found on the internet label. Sorry. Read it on Twitter.
MichiganPacker2 posted:Packdog posted:Was just dead wrong on MVS being ready to be the #2 WR. He just looks lost and has no connection(literally) with Rodgers. Thought Davante, MVS, and EQ were going to be a formidable trio. Oops.
The "Lazard King" is the real #2 WR on this team.
Lazard is a keeper and will be a really good #3 WR if they add a speed guy next year. MVS was supposed to be that guy, but it just hasn't happened.
Lazard is very comparable to James Jones, a really good possession receiver; except he's a lot bigger. At some point, do you consider Lazard at TE? He's 6'5" 230. He'd be a nightmare matchup for a LB or a safety. I've not really paid attention to how good he is as a blocker, but if he's even adequate, he's an asset on the field.
Sternberger is 6'4" 250. If Lazard puts on 10 pounds, there's not much difference.
From everything I've seen of him (particularly this pre-season), he's a willing and effective downfield blocker. No clue what he does at the LOS.
I was wondering how long it would be before someone suggested turning Lazard into a TE. Though I laugh, he did run a lot of the plays usually run by TE's yesterday per one of the beat guys on twitter. He may already be the best blocking WR on the roster. I wouldn't compare him to JJones at this point. JJ was actually a pretty good route runner. Lazard has shown the ability to find soft spots in zones, often on extended plays but hasn't yet shown the go-to ability to get open on timing routes.
Music City posted:Maybe you’re right on the ability for these WRs to get open. Adams wasn’t very good his second year, perhaps that’s what is going on here.
It's amazing this opinion is still lingering out there. Adams showed more ability as a rookie than any of our current WR's have to date. He was playing on a bad ankle, trying to be WR#1 in his second season after Jordy went down in the PS.
Night and day vs what we've seen from today's WR corps.
As someone else said, Lazard might be a good looking #3 next year with a top draft pick or FA at #2.
It is amazing. He should give up on this WR corps and bitch about them to no end like everyone else.
Grave Digger posted:Packdog posted:Was just dead wrong on MVS being ready to be the #2 WR. He just looks lost and has no connection(literally) with Rodgers. Thought Davante, MVS, and EQ were going to be a formidable trio. Oops.
The "Lazard King" is the real #2 WR on this team.
I think it was wishful thinking from all of us. WRs generally need at least 3 years to be ready unless they're just insane talents, MVS needs to hone his craft in the offseason be 1000% on the same page with the offense. At times I think that's been his (and others) biggest issue is that they're just no on the same page with AR. Adams, AR, the OL, Graham, etc. are veterans and picked things up quickly, but MVS, EQ, Shepard, Kumerow, etc. are on their 2nd offense in 2 years, so I'm cutting them a little slack. Lazard has been the exception, but by all accounts he has the mental makeup to step in immediately, kid seems to get it, which is less common IMO. Lets see what MVS does in year 3, Allison and Graham will likely be gone, so there will be plenty of opportunities for him.
Best take right here.
Team doesn't appear to have a lot of faith in MVS at this point based on his snap count. He's been a major disappointment that I didn't see coming.
Pistol GB posted:It is amazing. He should give up on this WR corps and bitch about them to no end like everyone else.
Or push inaccurate comparisons to defend them.
Think he was just talking Sophomore slumps in general but either way here is their rookie years.
| Year | Team | G | Rec | Yds | Avg | Yds/G | Lng | TD | 20+ | 40+ | 1st | FUM |
| 2014 | Green Bay Packers | 16 | 38 | 446 | 11.7 | 27.9 | 45 | 3 | 5 | 1 | 23 | 0 |
| 2018 | Green Bay Packers | 16 | 38 | 581 | 15.3 | 36.3 | 60 | 2 | 8 | 4 | 23 | 0 |
Yay, more stats for weenies without context. If you want to compare Adams' situation in 15 to MVS's situation this year, have it dude.
DH13 posted:Adams showed more ability as a rookie than any of our current WR's have to date.
So you didn't say this. K.
Changing subjects to second years? Context is, AR had no one else to throw it to in '15. MVS isn't getting the targets. Both bad.
They both slumped/are slumping was the only point.
But bitch away. It's so enjoyable to read at 9-3.
Repost from Game Thread:
Prediction: today the Packers will finally play up to their potential on offense, defense and... well, two out of three ain't bad.
31-13 win.
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+ + +
I predicted the score!
O Rodgers spreads ball around, gets long ball, 4 TDs.
Adams balled, Lazard stepped up, Bulaga held up.
Williams closes out 4th qtr
D gets 3 INTs and 4th down stop in 4th qtr
ST Crosby is $
Scott 46.7 avg
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Still a lot of penalties, need to be eliminated before post season. Minus phantom penalty on Martinez there was: Tonyan 2x (1 negates TD), Bak, Jenkins & both Smith Bros. Got to live with a few but don't shoot yourself in the foot.
LaFleur 3 and out to start 3rd qtr.
Questionable 1st qtr challenge but didn't neg affect game.
A Jones and Gary nicked up.
Pistol GB posted:DH13 posted:Adams showed more ability as a rookie than any of our current WR's have to date.So you didn't say this. K.
Changing subjects to second years? Context is, AR had no one else to throw it to in '15. MVS isn't getting the targets. Both bad.
They both slumped/are slumping was the only point.
But bitch away. It's so enjoyable to read at 9-3.
Never said I didn't say that. Doesn't matter. Compare their rookie years and their second years. The point you somehow seem to keep missing is that Adams showed more in his rookie AND second year than all the other receivers currently on the roster. I don't give two craps about the stats. Use your eyes.
I'll simplify it for you. What WR on the roster has shown the ability to consistently get open, injury notwithstanding. And Adams wasn't in a slump, he was playing injured. Oh but stats!
LaFleur said Rodgers and Lazard shared offensive player of the week honors. Lazard also won special teams player of the week.
— Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) December 2, 2019
DH13 posted:I'll simplify it for you. What WR on the roster has shown the ability to consistently get open, injury notwithstanding.
Against SF, I don't think it would have mattered if there were 3 Davante Adams clones out there. Rodgers had zero time.
Against NY, I can't answer the question because I wasn't at the game and the camera only shows the QB. If you go by targets, sure, it's pretty much only Adams. But again, I'd like to see the whole field.
Even if none of them were getting open, does that mean it should be "amazing" that anyone would think there's still hope for the rest of the receivers? I'm answering no is all. And I'm saying there's 4 more games plus the post-season left in a 9-3 season, so it makes more sense to see how it plays out before going into never-ending bitch mode.
I’m hoping MVS still has a bad wheel and not that he sucks, but I’m an optimist
+ 3 ints
+ JK Punts
+ No sacks allowed
+ Lazard
+ J Williams
+ Throwing the ball in the middle of the field!
- Martinez abused by a scrub TE
- No Sacks (should have been one but they got screwed)
- Punt returns - there was room but no yards and a fumble!
- OL - No running room.
- not utilizing TEs in the pass game more.
- Penalties
Lazard just wants the ball and isn't afraid to knock some folks around to get it. Once he gets the ball, he's tough to bring down. He's cocky, but he's also tough. Good traits to have in the NFL.