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Henry posted:

So here's a thought.  If you've got nothing to lose why not Gary?  A 270 pound guy with crazy athleticism. I'm guessing he's got a lot to learn in pass coverage but this is a what do you have to lose scenario.

Even if he isn't awesome in coverage I bet offenses keep a man in to account for him.  One less pass option. 

I'm guessing they don't want to hurt his confidence if he plays like poo poo? Orrrr....They're saving him for the playoffs & unleash that look then?

It sounds like a good idea on the surface.

Boris posted:

Henry posted:

So here's a thought.  If you've got nothing to lose why not Gary?  A 270 pound guy with crazy athleticism. I'm guessing he's got a lot to learn in pass coverage but this is a what do you have to lose scenario.

Even if he isn't awesome in coverage I bet offenses keep a man in to account for him.  One less pass option. 

I'm guessing they don't want to hurt his confidence if he plays like poo poo? Orrrr....They're saving him for the playoffs & unleash that look then?

It sounds like a good idea on the surface.

I mentioned this earlier (or in another thread)! I like the idea. Why not put him where he can see what's happening in front of him rather than with a hand in the dirt and head-butting bigger OL? He's athletic, use it. I could see him being a guy who could crash through the center/guard gaps and either get some sacks or really put some chaos into an OL and QB. The trick may be getting him to run with RBs or TEs.

Henry posted:

Packdog posted:

Henry posted:

....or whoever comes in Martinez is still going to have to be on the field.  Summers and Burks?  Burks and Goodman?  What's the difference?

I'm all for it but I don't think anyone currently on this team is going to surprise us.

It's Norv Pettines job to get creative. So Blake is currently your best ILB, fine, keep him in on run downs, early downs, etc....but 100% of the snaps ?? In obvious passing situations? How about going hybrid, dime, dollar, etc...at least once in a while in those situations. Otherwise Blake is just an easy target in the passing game. 

 

Are you kidding?  How many times have you seen him put 6 DBs back there then people bitch about safety play because they're focused on the line or the offense audibles out and runs those guys over.

So you put Summers, Goodman or Burks in on passing downs?  Oh, you usually have 2 ILBs.  I see Summers out there I dump off a short pass and let my RB/FB truck him.  Goodman is a worse coverage option than Martinez.  Burks?  Yeah, that's why he was drafted.  Whose the other ILB you put out there with Burks who to this date has shown nothing?

I don't care if people think Martinez should be jettisoned next year but if we're talking about the here and now he is your best option period. 

The other LB was Greene, then it was Redmond, then it was Sullivan, and now its Campbell.   

3rd 8 or more = Burks and Campbell, time for Martinez to get an orange slice or two.   Will that lead to a broken tackle for a big gainer now and then?  Yes, but I'll take it over the alternative.  

FinnLander posted:

"For whatever reason."    

How about the reason is that he's observed all of the ILB options over countless practices & games and even with Martinez's warts, the ABM feels he's the best option to help GB win a football game?

For whatever reason.  SMH.

Seriously, that is the worst rebuttal ever.   I'll summarize for you.   I have no opinion so the coach must be right 100% of the time.   Same argument used to support Nick Barnett, AJ Hawk and Brad Jones.    

What is the point of a message board if not to discuss these things.   If all we do is blindly agree with everything the organization does like a good little lemming, what is the point?

RochNyFan posted:

Is Martinez an absolute monster who wreaks havoc.....no.  But is he better than some on this board give him credit for....yes.  The stats that were pointed out say that Bobby Wagner, who any of us would take in a heartbeat for GB, has four PD's to Martinez's 0.  Over 12 games, that's 0.33 per game.

Yeah, the PD stat is pretty useless. The number that would matter is yards allowed when targeted. No idea where Wagner is but I would assume Martinez has allowed a lot of yardage. Someone prove me wrong. 

RochNyFan posted:

Pettine has watched a couple of years of practices, spent hundreds of hours studying tape and has his reputation staked on the performance of his defense.  I would defer to his judgement.  

That seems unreasonable.  Pretty sure hack fans have forgotten more about football than Pettine and Gutenfarter will ever know.  

This is interesting.  Rodgers was asked about the identity of the offense. 

His answer was that in his view it is about players "embracing their roles," specifically naming  (among others) Geronimo Allison.  Says he talked to those players about it and that guys have had to "embrace a specific role this year." He goes on to say in his view, the beauty has been the chemistry resulting from the response from those players, who are "not bitching and worrying about their own personal stats," but are instead  "embracing their role on the team." Mentions Geronimo and Marcedes Lewis in the same breath as guys who have had to do that.

So....Geronimo has been a decoy  and a blocker all along! LOL.

Just kidding, not sure what his role is supposed to be, but AR is usually honest about this kind of stuff and seems to be saying straight up that Allison's lack of targets is by design. 

He did not mention MVS, but it seems to me his role could be the deep threat/field stretcher.  

In any event, pretty interesting insight considering the debate on AR "focusing" on Davante Adams.   To me, he makes it sound like that is pretty much in fact the plan (his plan anyway, I mean he talked to them individually about it).

Check it out. It's the video at the bottom of this article about the new guy:

https://www.packersnews.com/st...potlight/2610310001/

BrainDed posted:

FinnLander posted:

"For whatever reason."    

How about the reason is that he's observed all of the ILB options over countless practices & games and even with Martinez's warts, the ABM feels he's the best option to help GB win a football game?

For whatever reason.  SMH.

Seriously, that is the worst rebuttal ever.   I'll summarize for you.   I have no opinion so the coach must be right 100% of the time.   Same argument used to support Nick Barnett, AJ Hawk and Brad Jones.    

What is the point of a message board if not to discuss these things.   If all we do is blindly agree with everything the organization does like a good little lemming, what is the point?

"For whatever reason" is a dumb lead to your comment.  You make it sound like he's throwing darts to pick out a starter.

And where did I imply you couldn't discuss your opinion?  I'm just saying it's a dumb opinion.  You can't just assume that because you're dissatisfied with player A that there has to be a better option sitting on the bench.

GB can't afford to lose any of these upcoming games (& have hopes for a first round bye) & some people want to experiment with a new ILB.  Makes no sense.

BrainDed posted:

FinnLander posted:

"For whatever reason."    

How about the reason is that he's observed all of the ILB options over countless practices & games and even with Martinez's warts, the ABM feels he's the best option to help GB win a football game?

For whatever reason.  SMH.

Seriously, that is the worst rebuttal ever.   I'll summarize for you.   I have no opinion so the coach must be right 100% of the time.   Same argument used to support Nick Barnett, AJ Hawk and Brad Jones.    

What is the point of a message board if not to discuss these things.   If all we do is blindly agree with everything the organization does like a good little lemming, what is the point?

I very much agree with this in general ( not even talking about this specific exchange it is related to). It is a message board and people should be able to disagree without getting pissed off at each other......

New to the 'net?

Pikes Peak posted:

New to the 'net?

LOL no.

Good times.....

Packers did what they were supposed to do & beat this Giants team. Now it's time to look at the Redskins & do the same, finally back at home after playing 4 out of 5 on the road.

And going 2-2 on the road. Should have been 3-1 but the good Chargers showed up instead of the bad. 

Jimmy Graham NEVER ceases to amaze me.

Last weeks game isn’t going to include an evaluation because it’s unfair to grade players on poor field conditions. Even sure handed WR’s drop passes...

HOWEVER some things never change whether it’s 80 or below 8 🤨

pic.twitter.com/b97v2A8dB6

— Eye In The Sky (@The_Green_Gold) December 6, 2019

Just a thing of beauty. 

Bulaga with the whiff.

That post is worthless without showing the video.  Here is a recap:

Jimmy Graham, on a running play, lined up tight.  Gets to the second level and faces two guys who are shoulder to shoulder in front of him.  Jimmy "makes skinny" to slip between the two, seemingly as if to avoid contact as much as possible.  This is instead of blocking for #30 who should be following him.  I don't even know what to say.  Even though the entire D was crashing to the line, seeing the ball handed off, did Jimmy think he was still faking a pass pattern?  I can't just...WTF?  

Shades of AJ Hawk avoiding contact in his last three years. It happens.

YATittle posted:

Shades of AJ Hawk avoiding contact in his last three years. It happens.

OR Ha Ha Clinton Dix his entire career. 

Haha. Saw that again last night.

On the Bulaga whiff, RB wouldn't have gotten much more yardage anyway. 

Can't win every play. The other guys get paid too.

Bulaga had no idea if JW was up his arse or not.  The combo turnstile play of 75 and 80 on that play almost looks choreographed.  They were supposed to be the lead blockers.  Looked like 80 should have at least chipped 44 flying in from the right, who actually makes the tackle before JW could get behind the combo turnstiles.  It's as if Jimmy's initial whiff made the second whiff irrelevant.

Looks like Jimmy got an owie on the play too. Wow. 

LOL, I saw that too.
Must have injured his hand on his own hip while trying to get more skinny! 

#Packers practice today. The limited participants were:


TE Jimmy Graham (calf/..... →  wrist  ←)

Not much different than during a game.

bvan posted:

LOL, I saw that too.
Must have injured his hand on his own hip while trying to get more skinny! 

That could be a great nickname. Skinnay Jimmay!