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+OL -- please Jeebus, let this be the true offering of this years' OL.  Great bounce back showing.  Truly hope this holds up.  77 and 75 were fantastic.

+13.  Whatever, guys.  He can play.  Period.

No negatives.  None.  Not 20, not 50, not 52.  I guess a case could be made for play calling / MLF.  But 4th and ten?

Super happy to be playing meaningful December football. 

 

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+ Jamal Williams running like a bruiser back in the snow when Jones was having trouble at times (Rodgers fault).  I've never seen that happen before in this league.

- Me being the voice of reason in a thread that started off and ended with posters shitting on the team they root for even though they never were behind.  Not a "oh darn they scored, go Packers get it back" or some commentary on some bad plays but straight up shitting on everything the Packers did on the field.  Go back and read that thread.  A troll shows up and sounds more optimistic than half of the posters.  It's fucking pathetic.  You should be ashamed that me, of all people, was the voice of reason.  (Kudos to Artis, that guy brings it.).

The team has warts.  Go figure considering the organization just cleaned house.

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Pakrz posted:

9-3 record with a win on the road in crappy conditions.  I'll take it. 

LaFleur ties Holmgren and Sherman with most wins by a Packer rookie HC with 9.  He'll own the record next week. 

Any way you cut it, that's a nice accomplishment by a young HC who wasn't expected to win more then 8-9 games for the season. 

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Brak posted:

 

+13.  Whatever, guys.  He can play.  Period.


 

He can absolutely play but he is still raw when it comes to routes.  A raw yet talented guy cannot cover for two other WR positions with negligible talent.  He's done a hell of a job but that simply isn't enough to compensate for the dearth of talent at WR.  If it's me I keep Adams and Lazard and jettison the rest.  Draft and sign guys.

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packerboi posted:
Pakrz posted:

9-3 record with a win on the road in crappy conditions.  I'll take it. 

LaFleur ties Holmgren and Sherman with most wins by a Packer rookie HC with 9.  He'll own the record next week. 

Any way you cut it, that's a nice accomplishment by a young HC who wasn't expected to win more then 8-9 games for the season. 

Kinda early for that dagger.

Henry posted:

+ Jamal Williams running like a bruiser back in the snow when Jones was having trouble at times (Rodgers fault).  I've never seen that happen before in this league.

- Me being the voice of reason in a thread that started off and ended with posters shitting on the team they root for even though they never were behind.  Not a "oh darn they scored, go Packers get it back" or some commentary on some bad plays but straight up shitting on everything the Packers did on the field.  Go back and read that thread.  A troll shows up and sounds more optimistic than half of the posters.  It's fucking pathetic.  You should be ashamed that me, of all people, was the voice of reason.  (Kudos to Artis, that guy brings it.).

The team has warts.  Go figure considering the organization just cleaned house.

I'm glad they won. Despite my bitching they are 9-3. That in itself makes this season worthwhile. They took care of business on the road and were solid when they had to be. My last point on this for the moment- week 1 Rodgers tipped his cap to his defense, which meant a good sense of relief that he didn't need to do things on his own. Since then, they've come up big in certain wins and played badly in others. I think at this point, the O will function best if Rodgers starts trusting all 10 guys he lines up with, whether it be WRB's or TE's that really are good only for sitting down in the middle for moderate gains. No unit has to carry the whole team, but for them to truly compete they all need to complement each other. ST played well today, and I think they helped out the defense in a big way. I'll take 12-14 play drives come playoff time all day. AR can be a great game manager when he's locked in.

I can't help but go back to the Favre/Sharpe comparison. When #4 knew he had no security blanket, he had to change his game. Holmgren adapted perfectly to it, and we saw guys step up in a way that O previously hadn't been able to do. Brooks, Freeman, Levens, Morgan, Ed West(?) all got a chance to contribute because they were asked to make 2-3 plays a game. That's what this offense can be and working in Davante for the kill shot WILL be there if they are patient enough to set a tone and establish their thing. The WR's are average, but they can and have made plays when their plate isn't too full. Get a little bit from each guy consistently and watch the offense transform. 

It's pretty well known Rodgers isn't going to throw you the ball if he doesn't trust you.  Allison was supposedly the guy with great chemistry, blah blah blah but he's completely shit the bed.  MVS, he's playing like a 5th rounder.  There are no Freemans or Brooks on this team unfortunately.  

I don't know how far you can take the "saving it for later" premise but hopefully Mayo rolls out a playoff scheme putting Jones and Williams right back in the thick of the passing game.  It's a damn awesome change of pace but I think other teams would've nailed that down in a hurry.

I also get people wanting to see a 2 minute offense, quick release type offense but again the best plays Lazard has made are straight up sandlot.  Adams is Adams.  I don't see any other receivers who can consistently not be mugged off the line or across the middle.  

You have two old TEs, a scrub TE and rookie who's been out for half the season.  Let Sternberger get reps.  For the love of god Ryan Grant should at least get a try out as to if he can contribute or not.

Here's to hoping some of the uninspired offensive game play is treading water for now.  Maybe we'll be wowed by a hell of shift up come playoff time.  

BTW Artis, you're actually talking about possibilities and results even if there are disagreements.  Thanks for not outright shitting on everything the Packers are trying to do.

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Pakrz posted:

9-3 record with a win on the road in crappy conditions.  I'll take it. 

AR continues to bother me with two things:

- Throwing bombs on 3rd and manageable distances.  Dumb. 

- Letting the play clock run down to 0. Dumb.

Agree on both negatives.  What is so freaking hard about varying the count or cadence and maybe throwing in a quick count now and then?  It amazes me that it seems like only Brady is smart enough to go on a quick count and snap the ball before the defense can get set and dig in when there is only a yard to go for a first down or touchdown. 

Henry posted:

+ Jamal Williams running like a bruiser back in the snow when Jones was having trouble at times (Rodgers fault).  I've never seen that happen before in this league.

- Me being the voice of reason in a thread that started off and ended with posters shitting on the team they root for even though they never were behind.  Not a "oh darn they scored, go Packers get it back" or some commentary on some bad plays but straight up shitting on everything the Packers did on the field.  Go back and read that thread.  A troll shows up and sounds more optimistic than half of the posters.  It's fucking pathetic.  You should be ashamed that me, of all people, was the voice of reason.  (Kudos to Artis, that guy brings it.).

The team has warts.  Go figure considering the organization just cleaned house.

Most teams have worts. 

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