"Can Aaron Rodgers Be the Type of Leader the Packers Need?
By Tyler Dunne , NFL Features Writer Nov 18, 2016
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Interesting piece. I never realized he was estranged from his family to that extent.
It seemed that Finley has a very specific POV vs everyone else's POV.
I don't give a damn about what Finley has to say, but the info regarding the extent of his failed relationships and related conduct is concerning. Skipping his grandfather's funeral? No-show groomsman for a good friend? I get not talking to specific family members - that happens. But I don't understand that other conduct.
There are certainly red flags, and I would say there is a very good chance that it's impacting his play. It's concerning.
CAPackFan95 posted:It seemed that Finley is a very specific POS.
Sorry, had to fix that.
So AR is "self-centered" and "only cares about his stats and his game"?
Wow Jermike! Are you sure you are not talking about yourself?
I stopped reading when he says an example of a true leader is none other than Cam ****ing Newton.
Good bye, Jermike. Do everyone a favor and shut your yapper one last time.
Yeah, Finley is THE go to guy if you want to write this article. Finley was ripping on Matthews last week, this week its Rodgers.
Just for kicks, we should re-visit all of the Finley baby-momma's. Pretty sure we could have some fun gathering their insights on Jermichael's high-fidelity leadership skills. And his agent Blake Baratz lobbed some leadership comments at Rodgers too. Woooooo !
What do Finleys baby mommas have to do with this?
Yeah I got that as well CA. Sounds like sour grapes from Finley.
I'm sure family issues are affecting him, but it takes two to tango. Other reports have said his brothers are needy and were constantly trying to use Aaron's fame to further their own interests...the older brother had a clothing line that traded on Aaron's name (until Aaron told him to stop) and Jordan wanted Aaron to help him find work in the NFL. My wife watches the Bachelor and said Jordan was mega-tool and wasn't surprised Aaron didn't want to have anything to do with him. His parents seem like nice people, but you never know who people really are. Sounds like their pride is as much at fault as Aaron's. I would imagine a lot of family falling outs have to do with money when it comes to celebrities/athletes.
There have been rumors for a while now that Rodgers is estranged from his family. While that may suck for all involved from a personal perspective, if that affects his play than he is playing the wrong position to have that type of temperament.
That's certainly true. Sounds like everyone is dancing around Yoko Munn being the issue. She's feasting on his essence and channeling it to boost her own career.
He sounds wired very similarly to Jordon or Kobe. Just that absolute calm competitive killer perfectionist thing going on. Some people react well to that, others don't.
Similiar to golfer Patrick Reed, he has not had contact with his parents in 2-3 years now. His wife went as far as having them removed from the crowd at the US Open, saying they were a distraction.
Hungry5 posted:There have been rumors for a while now that Rodgers is estranged from his family. While that may suck for all involved from a personal perspective, if that affects his play than he is playing the wrong position to have that type of temperament.
Ugh, I hear ya. Like Tiger Woods.
There shouldn't be anything really controversial in there. Finley made some good points. Some guys need/believe the "rah rah" types are there to lead. Other guys like the more straight-forward approach.
Rodgers hasn't been playing to the level anyone is accustomed to and people are trying to figure out why.
michiganjoe posted:Interesting piece. I never realized he was estranged from his family to that extent.
Yeah, he needs to get off his high horse and make up with the people who gave him life.
I'm really beginning to not like this guy. Thankfully, I stopped worshipping players after Favre turned into a douche. Rodgers is just the QB for the team I love. Nothing more. I know it is just like my opinion, but I think his big head as gotten the best of him.
Honest question - have any former teammates, named or anonymous, spoken out against Rodgers besides Jennings and Finley?
Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.
What's hilarious is that he's still completing over 63% of his passes and is in the top 15 in passer rating. Most teams would kill for QB efficiency like that. We're used to seeing him in the top 2 of passer rating, but he's still out-performing other starting QBs in the league who aren't getting criticism for their play. Yes it's obvious to anyone watching him that he's missing some throws and is taking sacks, and while I have been pretty critical of him this year overall, he's not the problem right now. Early in the season when he was missing a lot of throws and making poor decisions he was definitely a big part of the problem, but the offense has only been held under 25 points only three times this season (MIN-14, DAL-16, NYG-23). Again it's obvious there have been issues, but lets not act like the offense is one of the worst in the league and Rodgers isn't making it better. Taking into account the injuries I would say Rodgers IS doing a superhuman job of elevating the offense beyond what it probably should be. This offense is extremely one dimensional, so it's actually amazing that he's been able to be as successful as he has. It doesn't seem that way because we're used to seeing the team be unstoppable, but I would call them surprisingly successful.
There is no great NFL QB whose ego isn't immense. There are 11 guys opposite him trying to make him minced meat every single play of every single game. The greats drop back, all but ignore the 250#+ guys bearing down on them and deliver a tightly-spiraled "**** YOU" right over them and in to a receiver's bread basket.
"There's no explanation for him playing any worse," said the source, who wished to speak under the condition of anonymity. "People are trying to figure it out. He's a f--king head case. He knows he's doing the wrong thing, and he's so arrogant and prideful that he thinks he can separate his personal life from his professional life, even though all of us know that's impossible. You can't do that. You can do that in little spurts, like when Brett Favre went out and played amazingly when he loses his Dad. But when you're talking about real situations that aren't all of a sudden circumstantial and you f--k over good people, people you're supposed to love, it's a s--tty thing to do and you're going to get humbled.
"You can't live like that, man. The people who live like that end up getting f--ked over. That's kind of what's happening here, but he's so prideful and will never admit he's wrong. Ever."
If true, **** me. Little wonder why AR seems off coincidentally since cutting off his family in Dec 2014. Around the same time he was last...well...like Aaron Rodgers.
thinks he can separate his personal life from his professional life, even though all of us know that's impossible
I disagree with this. Separating your personal life from your professional life is imperative IMO.
Maybe his parents are ****s. Maybe Olivia is a ****. Maybe he's a ****. Maybe they're all a big bag of ****s.
One thing for certain, Finley is a bag of hammers. He didn't give you his cell phone? I don't hand out my number to idiots either.
Burn him, he's a witch !
Henry posted:One thing for certain, Finley is a bag of hammers. He didn't give you his cell phone? I don't hand out my number to idiots either.
Word.
The Finley **** I couldn't care less about. Remember, this is the 20 year old rookie who after dropping a sure pass from Rodgers told the press in a post-game interview something to the affect of "maybe the QB needs to throw me a better ball".
Not the best way to start a relationship with your QB. Finley's a ****ing idiot.
I think Finley's head weighs less than a duck.
Just curious, when did the Munnster appear on the scene?
There are 2 sides to every story and we will never hear Rodgers side of the story of his personal issues because quite frankly, he doesn't want to tell the media and fans as obviously he thinks it is none of our business. That is fine, but I will say, if any of that stuff by the "anonymous source" is true, then he is really starting to go down the wrong path in life and that has nothing to do with football.
As for football, there are some things that have noticeably declined in Rodgers. At one time he was a great deep ball thrower. Now his deep balls are often not even close. Some can blame the receivers, but honestly, those throws are so far off that I really don't think most of those are the receivers' fault.
He's let that scattershot deep ball accuracy affect other parts of his game as even his short touch throws are often a little off the mark, just enough that maybe a guy can make the reception, but because they have to adjust for the ball they don't have time to get the RAC yards.
The good news is, his arm strength and running speed both appear to be just fine. I absolutely believe he can return to form if he's willing to admit that he's struggling in some areas and they are HIS FAULT and not completely someone else's. I could easily see a change of scenery doing wonders for him sort of like how Favre re-ignited his career first with McCarthy taking over for Sherman, and then with his 1 year of absolute vengeance towards the Packers as a Viking.
Let's hope drastic changes aren't needed for Rodgers to return to past form, hopefully it's just a matter of working through it and he can get back to the level he had been at as a member of the Packers and not for some other organization.
I will say, if any of that stuff by the "anonymous source" is true, then he is really starting to go down the wrong path in life
Huh? Wrong path in life? Criticize his play all you want... the rest of it none of us know 0.00001% of what's happening from him or his family.
Henry posted:
Dairy Queen?
What the hell do ducks have to do with this?
Grave Digger posted:What's hilarious is that he's still completing over 63% of his passes and is in the top 15 in passer rating.
Top 15? Wow, good thing they don't pay him like he is a top 2 QB. Top 15 is Jay Cutler territory, and I know this board has always been so impressed by him.
I think Rodgers may be suffering from "Great Player Syndrome." Great players are more physically gifted, game smarter, and able to do things their teammates cannot. Great players eventually get annoyed with teammates who cannot match their greatness. And when great players get frustrated, they start distancing themselves from those who do not live up their high standard, and they get po'd when someone cannot live up their own inflated standard.
Great Player Syndrome is also why the vast majority of great players fail as coaches; they don't understand why others cannot execute like they could. Great coaches tend to be mediocre players who know how to get the most out of players, just as they had to learn to get the most out of themselves.
Rodgers appears to be isolating himself from his family, his teammates, and his coaches, perhaps because they do not measure up to what he expects from them, as he does of himself.
Oh, and Jerkmichael should STFU. You are a grown man in a professional job. Why do you need motivation to do your job? He comes across as weak-minded, IMO.
CAPackFan95 posted:He sounds wired very similarly to Jordon or Kobe. Just that absolute calm competitive killer perfectionist thing going on. Some people react well to that, others don't.
Agreed! Both guys were assholes too.
Satori posted:Burn him, he's a witch !
More witches!
Sorry, that part always cracks me up.
Goalline posted:CAPackFan95 posted:He sounds wired very similarly to Jordon or Kobe. Just that absolute calm competitive killer perfectionist thing going on. Some people react well to that, others don't.
Agreed! Both guys were assholes too.
Aholes with multiple rings
