As I recall, Spriggs didn't look as bad last year (as a rookie, no less) as he does this current one. Something happened to him in the off-season that really got into his head. We really couldn't see much when the OTAs began, but from the first pre-season game, it was evident he was lost. and he has regressed even further from that point.
I want to believe it's something he can overcome, but if he is as bad at the opening of next year, I hope they don't keep him around like they did Newhouse.
He didn't look as bad because he was playing guard. At tackle, facing pass rushers, he looks horrendous. That said, he was pretty damn bad at guard too.
Hundley is struggling in his true dropbacks... He isn't processing & making decisions in rhythm of his pass drops...
— Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) November 21, 2017
Not able to make read throws/anticipate windows...
Not showing ability to throw with color in his face....
Consistent with the scouting reports coming out of UCLA.
He doesn't see the "tells" that elite QBs see. I am pretty sure those guys know a best option when they see the defense and also have a key that tells where they were wrong on the first guess.
Hundley's progression is A-B-C-sack
Rodgers' pregression is A-the guy who must be coming open because of the coverage on A.
Obsessive film study can cover up for a lack of experience but Hundley apparently did not embrace that before he inherited the starting gig. 4 weeks isn't going to replace years of study.
He did fine on the first drive until they got to the 5 yard line. Aster that, everything went to ****.
grignon posted:
Hundley's progression is A-B-C-sack
Actually, Hundley's progression is Where is Adams-Where is Adams-I can't see Adams Open-turn around run 10 yards backwards-Sack.
GBFanForLife posted:He did fine on the first drive until they got to the 5 yard line. Aster that, everything went to ****.
He does much better every week on the scripted plays that MM runs him through in practice. As soon as they move off those plays, he's done.
Well then, all MM has to do is script all 60 plays or so and Hundley will be good to go.
The Packers lost a game where the defense gave up 219 total yards, forced an interception, had 9 TFLs, and allowed just 3/14 third down conversations. That's the definition of an offensive embarrassment.
— Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) November 20, 2017
michiganjoe posted:
Consistent with the scouting reports coming out of UCLA.
Well, McCarthy often says he wants to see consistency from his players but I'ma gonna disagree with him on this one.
In his presser today he was asked about tenure and what makes a coach successful. The question was obviously, in my opinion, looking to get fuel for the can MM fire. The reporter was smart and masked it a little by reference Harbaugh and Tomlin, our last two opponents.
Mikes answer, "programs win, that's what I always believed." It's too bad the reporter didn't have the stones to ask what's wrong with his program right now.
Let's edit that: "Programs with Aaron Rodgers at quarterback win."
I just can't listen to MM anymore. He's in denial. Wake me up when he moves on to the next stage.
Esox posted:I just can't listen to MM anymore. He's in denial. Wake me up when he moves on to the next stage.
I don't think he's in denial. He knows more about QB play than anyone on this board. What's he supposed to say? He can't say what he really things which is probably "Yeah, we know Hundley sucks but we really don't have a plan B, so I have to come out and and try to convince everyone that we going to turn chicken **** into chicken salad."
What I really want to know is who made the call that Hundley was a backup QB that they could get by with and give them a chance to win some games if Rodgers missed a few weeks. That was a decision that essentially cost them a chance this year. Was it MM assuring TT that Hundley was a solid backup or was it TT telling MM that he didn't want to waste a mid round pick to trade for a reliable backup. Or did they both know Hundley was not an answer and just figured that if Rodgers got hurt the season was over anyway?
When Brett Hundley took over for Aaron Rodgers, who broke his collarbone in Week 6, the Packers were going with a first-time starter. McCarthy stated emphatically that the three years he had invested in Hundley as a backup made him the right choice for the job, but the Packers either underestimated the former fifth-round pick’s ability or his acumen for the offense.
Isn't really an either/or proposition and the answer is both. Horrible blunder by both the QB guru and TT.
Ugh. That Demovsky article is terrible. The point is valid - that the Packers did not build enough around Rodgers to lift the team if he is out. But his rationale /argument is faulty. To cite percentage of cap space devoted to QB vs. defense is a terrible argument to make. Of course if you have a top-tier QB you will devote a lot of cap space to the QB position and by default, less space as a percentage will be devoted to the defense!
MichiganPacker2 posted:Esox posted:I just can't listen to MM anymore. He's in denial. Wake me up when he moves on to the next stage.
I don't think he's in denial. He knows more about QB play than anyone on this board. What's he supposed to say? He can't say what he really things which is probably "Yeah, we know Hundley sucks but we really don't have a plan B, so I have to come out and and try to convince everyone that we going to turn chicken **** into chicken salad."
What I really want to know is who made the call that Hundley was a backup QB that they could get by with and give them a chance to win some games if Rodgers missed a few weeks. That was a decision that essentially cost them a chance this year. Was it MM assuring TT that Hundley was a solid backup or was it TT telling MM that he didn't want to waste a mid round pick to trade for a reliable backup. Or did they both know Hundley was not an answer and just figured that if Rodgers got hurt the season was over anyway?
Both MM and TT are probably at fault, but at some point, it felt like MM was saying to TT that - "This is what you gave me to work with (Hundley and Callahan as backups) - you reap what you've sowed" and that he was going to ride Hundley to the end to prove his point.
From the article:
The top-seeded Eagles ranked fourth in the NFL in total defense and were No. 1 against the run. The Vikings ranked first in total defense and were second against both the run and the pass.
That is as far as I needed to read and to me it really is pretty simple. Build something that actually resembles a defense and you can win in the NFL it is as simple as that. As for the salary cap topic in that article I agree with 50K that when you have a top tier QB he is going to eat up a good portion of your cap that is just how it works.
I don't think the decision to play Hundley completely doomed the 2017 Packers (see Ernest Dominic Capers, DC) it was part of a perfect storm.
I think it's becoming more obvious that you need a QB to get you a good start to the regular season and through the middle of the schedule, but that your defense becomes more important than your offense starting in game 12. Look at Pitt and how horrible Ben was early and they lost games; but when they lost Shaz, it really hurt them late.
Your QB only needs to make a couple of plays per game in the playoffs -- and you definitely need that -- but your defense needs to be top-notch the entire game.
I can't think of one nfc team in the playoffs we could have beat with season's D, no matter who was at QB. Even LAR have a QB and D we would have struggled with.
Your QB only needs to make a couple of plays per game in the playoffs -- and you definitely need that -- but your defense needs to be top-notch the entire game.Â
But if this is true for any team in the playoffs and the other team's D is being top-notch the entire game, wouldn't your QB need to make more than a couple plays, against another top-notch D? Don't let this year's final four lead you to believe you don't need an elite QB to win championships. If Keenum, Foles or Bortles wins it they're still outliers along with Dilfer.
I know they are outliers, but the D has to be able to limit those big plays to one or two in a game. If the D can do that, they give their team a great chance to win, especially in the playoffs. It's the reason why a shootout like GB v Ariz was so unusual: neither D took control of the game and both allowed the QBs to have their way.
DH13 posted:I can't think of one nfc team in the playoffs we could have beat with season's D, no matter who was at QB. Even LAR have a QB and D we would have struggled with.
They could have beaten every single one of them.
Hundley needs to do a commercial for chewing gum and develop his next career. AS to who is to blame for his failure, any plug with one arm should have become a future HOF'er from what we were fed about the famous QB school. Thanks MM.
chickenboy posted:DH13 posted:I can't think of one nfc team in the playoffs we could have beat with season's D, no matter who was at QB. Even LAR have a QB and D we would have struggled with.
They could have beaten every single one of them.
AR was pretty good at pulling off victories with little or no defensive support. That's why Dom managed to hang on for so long and why some have called the injury a blessing in disguise.
Sure. But this year's D, especially the secondary, was at least as bad as last year's. The one we saw in ATL. Every QB in the playoffs would have lit us up. What chances do you give AR vs top 5 defenses when he's most likely having to try to keep up with the other team's scoring?
It is highly probably that you need an elite QB to beat an elite D. I'd say like 95% probable. It will be really interesting to see how Keenum does in PHI. Or Foles for that matter.
Balance Daniel-san. Must have balance
Hey.....Packers v Steelers is on from 2017 on NFL Network.
I just saw Hundley throw a TD pass to Adams
His best game, and there appeared to be something there.
But there wasn't.
When this reappeared on the board I thought I would be reading that the Seahawks released him.
Hungry5 posted:His best game, and there appeared to be something there.
But there wasn't.
There was no there, there?
Rehashing this thread has me wanting some juicy fruit.
Hundley who? 
Boris posted:Hey.....Packers v Steelers is on from 2017 on NFL Network.
I just saw Hundley throw a TD pass to Adams
Hundley has thrown 9 TDs in 316 attempts in his career. 5 of them were to Adams.
That Steelers game performance is like the twilight zone. He threw the 3 longest TD passes of his career in that game: 39 yards (Cobb), 55 yards (Adams), and 54 yards (Jamaal Williams) against a team that went 13-3.
Former Seahawks’ QB Brett Hundley intends to sign a one-year deal with the Arizona Cardinals, per source.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 12, 2019
Bye dumdum!!
I wonder how many more years he will be allowed to steal a paycheck? I guess as long as the starters stay healthy he will look great in TC and preseason.
He will be like that worthless OL we had Marshall Newhouse who bounced around the league or Barbe or even Barclay who signed with the Broncos
