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Vikings-Packers III: Rodgers' dominance
January, 4, 2013

A few of you have suggested I've been a bit negative toward the Green Bay Packers' chances of winning Saturday night's wild-card playoff game against the Minnesota Vikings. For me, this week has been about presenting some undeniable facts in context, from the Packers' recent playoff struggles at Lambeau Field to their inability to slow down Vikings tailback Adrian Peterson during the regular season.

Of course, I've had this post in my back pocket all along. The Packers' best and most obvious advantage is the career-long dominance of quarterback Aaron Rodgers against the Vikings. We noted some of his numbers against them last week, and Rodgers followed up with a 365-yard, four-touchdown performance in the Vikings' 37-34 victory

In 10 career starts against the Vikings, whether at Lambeau or the Metrodome, Rodgers has a 116.4 passer rating. He's completed 70.6 percent of his passes and averaged 282.3 yards per game while throwing 24 touchdowns and only four interceptions.

As the chart shows, Rodgers' ratio of six touchdowns for every interception against the Vikings ranks as the second-best by a quarterback against one opponent -- minimum 15 touchdown passes -- in NFL history. In other words, it's exceedingly rare for a quarterback to be so productive and efficient over time against a regular opponent.

To be fair, the Vikings have sacked Rodgers 35 times in those games and have won four of the 10 starts despite his passing brilliance against them. But if you're the Packers, and you know Rodgers will have his full complement of wide receivers -- Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and James Jones -- for the first time in three months, you realize you have a sizable advantage in this aspect of the matchup.

Here is just one recent example of how Rodgers has found ways to slice up the Vikings' pass defense. Last Sunday, veteran cornerback Antoine Winfield departed the game because of pain in his broken hand. That shuffled the Vikings' nickel defense and required kick returner Marcus Sherels to play 34 snaps in the second half.

Rodgers targeted Sherels on 10 of the 21 passes he threw after halftime, according to Pro Football Focus, and completed nine of them for 162 yards. Winfield has pledged to play Saturday night, but history tells us we can count on Rodgers finding the weak spot in the Vikings' defense at some point.
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Rodgers has more time than people realize. Rodgers does not force the ball downfield when under pressure, he just won't do it. He holds the ball and takes a sack or occasionally is able to get away and make a spectacular play. Not making excuses for the offensive line, it hasn't been good, but some of it has to do with Rodgers' quarterback style.

Rodgers should pick this defense apart. The cold will probably limit the deep ball but I'd expect to see some pretty strong drives.
He holds the ball just as much because he can make plays with his feet. He shouldn't be scrambling in circles every damn play. The trope of holding onto the ball too long is about as equal to Bert's forcing the ball. There's never a perfect solution behind ****ty oline protection. I'll take a sack over a stupid INT any day of the week.
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Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
Rodgers has more time than people realize. Rodgers does not force the ball downfield when under pressure, he just won't do it. He holds the ball and takes a sack or occasionally is able to get away and make a spectacular play. .


I sure as hell don't miss the "ahh fu** it" throws a certain QB used to make with regularity in the playoffs and of course the regular season as well. Yes Im not dismissing that Favre won some games that way and those hurls also resulted in sheer panic/terror for the fans watching it.

But those also resulted in a hell of alot of Mad reactions from us too.

In all the years I've watched Rodgers, I have yet to feel that he single handedly cost us a game with carelessness OR that he got a case of the fu** it's!! and just didn't give a damn.
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Originally posted by Henry:
He holds the ball just as much because he can make plays with his feet. He shouldn't be scrambling in circles every damn play. The trope of holding onto the ball too long is about as equal to Bert's forcing the ball. There's never a perfect solution behind ****ty oline protection. I'll take a sack over a stupid INT any day of the week.


Agree!

If he is holding the ball too long it's probably because nobody is open and he isn't willing to force a throw. Instead of crying about it, like I have in the past, we should be praising his courage to take a hit and football intelligence.
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There's never a perfect solution behind ****ty oline protection. I'll take a sack over a stupid INT any day of the week.


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I sure as hell don't miss the "ahh fu** it" throws a certain QB used to make with regularity in the playoffs and of course the regular season as well


I totally agree. I'd rather Rodgers take a sack than throw an INT. And there's no denying the line is crap.
I think we've dedicated enough server space to the Rodgers holding the ball argument, but I'll just say the possible results of extending a play are ranked by preference as follows: Big Play>Throwaway>Sack>Int. The frequency of said events is probably closer to this: Sack>Big Play>Throwaway>Int. I'd rather see sacks and throwaways swap places, but sacks don't end games like INTs, and the threat of hitting a big play by extending has to be worth some extra sacks.

Getting back to this week, #12 should have the luxury of just choosing which DB he wants to pick on when he gets to the line.
If the Packers do what they are capable of doing tomorrow. Justin Smith is trying to make a go of things this week with his torn tricepts injury. No one knows for sure if he'll be able to go next weekend. Even if he does he'll be limited.

The 49'ers D is an entirely different animal without him.

I agree with Boris, the Bay Area is full of Viking fans this week.
I second that about the Niners. They know they're in a bad place with injuries to Smith, Davis, Manningham and the inexperienced QB... if you rewatch the first go-round between these two teams, it was closer than most people remember. We were one score behind in the fourth. With a quicker start, which I think Rodgers will get in a rematch, we could take control of that matchup.
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I second that about the Niners. They know they're in a bad place with injuries to Smith, Davis, Manningham and the inexperienced QB... if you rewatch the first go-round between these two teams, it was closer than most people remember. We were one score behind in the fourth. With a quicker start, which I think Rodgers will get in a rematch, we could take control of that matchup.


I've rewatched that game many many times. The most surprising thing is how good of a game it was. I don't remember it being that good. The Packers had all the momentum before Rodgers threw that pick to Bowmann. And that pick...wow, i've never seen Rodgers throw a pick that bad in my life. I'm guessing that won't happen again. He's got a special place in his heart for the Niners. I like our chances against them.

Gotta beat the Vikes though.
The one against the Bucs was his only one in the pros. This was discussed on his radio show. He might have said that he didn't have any at Cal.

I actually heard Rob Demovsky on the Bears pregame show before the game in CHI, and the two local guys erupted in laughter when Rob told them he had one career pick 6. They said "that'd be a good week around here."
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Jaw's ranks the NFL QB's this season:

You'll need an Insider subscription to read the entire file, but I can provide you some snippets of Jaworski's NFC North thoughts along with my own below.

2. Aaron Rodgers
Jaworski excerpt: "He has felt pressure at times -- and gotten a little frenetic as a result -- but he worked his way through it. He was very, very solid in the last quarter of the year."

Seifert comment: Rodgers was sacked an NFL-high 51 times this season and doubled his turnover total from last season. But he led the NFL in touchdown ratio (39 in 552 attempts). Given injuries at receiver and line, 2012 was probably the second-best season of Rodgers' career.

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Anyone know who he ranked as number 1? Maybe Manning? Confused
"He has felt pressure at times"

51 sacks will do that to you. Most of any QB in football.

"And gotten a little frenetic as a result"

"frenetic"? That's just lame.

"He was very, very solid in the last quarter of the season"

Sorry Jaws. 1,457 yards, 11 TD's and 1 INT with a 113 QB rating in December isn't solid. Russell Wilson was solid. Aaron Rodgers was off the charts great.

Rodgers "down year" (good enough to lead the league in TD's, TD/INT ratio and QB rating) wasn't better than Mannings story. Just say that Jaw's.

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