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As much as I love the Smiths the reason they were in that position to begin with was their failure to add decent OLB pass rushers the past several years.  

As good as they were you saw them slow down a bit later in the year.  Ideally, you wouldnโ€™t have had them playing that many snaps to keep them fresh. 

I know some donโ€™t follow the NBA but the Bucks are a good example of how to manage workload and minutes for key players.  Just because they have Giannis doesnโ€™t mean he should play him all the minutes a game they can because inevitably he will get hurt or fatigued.   Playing the Smiths 80% of snaps is like running Giannis out there for 36 or more minutes a game.

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Tschmack posted:

As much as I love the Smiths the reason they were in that position to begin with was their failure to add decent OLB pass rushers the past several years.  

As good as they were you saw them slow down a bit later in the year.  Ideally, you wouldnโ€™t have had them playing that many snaps to keep them fresh. 

I know some donโ€™t follow the NBA but the Bucks are a good example of how to manage workload and minutes for key players.  Just because they have Giannis doesnโ€™t mean he should play him all the minutes a game they can because inevitably he will get hurt or fatigued.   Playing the Smiths 80% of snaps is like running Giannis out there for 36 or more minutes a game.

Very true

Tschmack posted:

I know some donโ€™t follow the NBA but the Bucks are a good example of how to manage workload and minutes for key players.  Just because they have Giannis doesnโ€™t mean he should play him all the minutes a game they can because inevitably he will get hurt or fatigued.   Playing the Smiths 80% of snaps is like running Giannis out there for 36 or more minutes a game.

That's why there's a Bucks forum. 

Can we start a TJ Watt forum too?

phaedrus posted:
Pakrz posted:

Since when do we shit all over a player after his first season?  How long did Duhvante suck before he didn't?

I am not shitting all over Gary, but Adams had pretty much production his rookie year in the playoff against Dallas than Gary had all year.

His second year he was suffering a high ankle sprain.

Invalid comparison, imo.

Davante, also not a big LB, DL kinda cat. Hard to tell. That's why we must be patient.

Henry posted:
Tschmack posted:

I know some donโ€™t follow the NBA but the Bucks are a good example of how to manage workload and minutes for key players.  Just because they have Giannis doesnโ€™t mean he should play him all the minutes a game they can because inevitably he will get hurt or fatigued.   Playing the Smiths 80% of snaps is like running Giannis out there for 36 or more minutes a game.

That's why there's a Bucks forum. 

Can we start a TJ Watt forum too?

Wait, there isn't a TJ Watt forum?

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El-Nuke-the-Hurricanes-Bong posted:

We all hope Gary becomes Dee Ford, but because Dee Ford exists isnโ€™t the most compelling argument that Gary might become Dee Ford.  

We definitely need to give Gary more time before considering him a bust, but if you were already concerned about Gary, he did not do much this year to dispel concerns.  

No he didn't and Dee Ford had more sacks his senior year than Gary did his entire college career. I'm hoping for the best here but am skeptical like many.

Goalline posted:
Henry posted:
Tschmack posted:

I know some donโ€™t follow the NBA but the Bucks are a good example of how to manage workload and minutes for key players.  Just because they have Giannis doesnโ€™t mean he should play him all the minutes a game they can because inevitably he will get hurt or fatigued.   Playing the Smiths 80% of snaps is like running Giannis out there for 36 or more minutes a game.

That's why there's a Bucks forum. 

Can we start a TJ Watt forum too?

Wait, there isn't a TJ Watt forum?

You just have to drink hard enough to find it.

Goalline posted:
Henry posted:
Tschmack posted:

I know some donโ€™t follow the NBA but the Bucks are a good example of how to manage workload and minutes for key players.  Just because they have Giannis doesnโ€™t mean he should play him all the minutes a game they can because inevitably he will get hurt or fatigued.   Playing the Smiths 80% of snaps is like running Giannis out there for 36 or more minutes a game.

That's why there's a Bucks forum. 

Can we start a TJ Watt forum too?

Wait, there isn't a TJ Watt forum?

Every forum is a TJ Watt forum.

 

 

 

 

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Okay, here's a wild idea: If you want your best 11 on the field, why not move Gary to the middle like they did with CMIII? He's fast, he's athletic. He's not going to beat out either of the Smiths right now, so why not get him on the field in some role? Even if he makes the tackle within three yards of the LOS, it's an improvement of two yards over Martinez, and I'm betting Gary has better football speed and explosiveness than does Martinez.

Fandame posted:

Okay, here's a wild idea: If you want your best 11 on the field, why not move Gary to the middle like they did with CMIII? He's fast, he's athletic. He's not going to beat out either of the Smiths right now, so why not get him on the field in some role? Even if he makes the tackle within three yards of the LOS, it's an improvement of two yards over Martinez, and I'm betting Gary has better football speed and explosiveness than does Martinez.

Great idea

Pakrz posted:
michiganjoe posted:

Gute with nothing more than an idiot take.

No, dummy.  That Adams "sucked before he didn't".  He gutted it out as AR's #1 target on a bad ankle his second season.  Anyone watching games in late 2014 saw Adam's ability.  And production.

Fandame posted:

Okay, here's a wild idea: If you want your best 11 on the field, why not move Gary to the middle like they did with CMIII? He's fast, he's athletic. He's not going to beat out either of the Smiths right now, so why not get him on the field in some role? Even if he makes the tackle within three yards of the LOS, it's an improvement of two yards over Martinez, and I'm betting Gary has better football speed and explosiveness than does Martinez.

You're squating on my squatters rights to your original idea.  This calls for immediate retaliation.

Turn Gary into a TE. 

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DH13 posted:
Pakrz posted:
michiganjoe posted:

Gute with nothing more than an idiot take.

No, dummy.  That Adams "sucked before he didn't".  He gutted it out as AR's #1 target on a bad ankle his second season.  Anyone watching games in late 2014 saw Adam's ability.  And production.

Stop being so damn hard-headed.  The point is that many people on X4 condemned "Duhvante" to the depths of hell early in his career.  There are many threads on it (Let me know if you need help with the search function to refresh your memory). 

As it relates to Gary, he's getting the same treatment by some on X4.  It's very early in his career and he has flashed the ability to be disruptive.  Writing him off as a bust at this point is his career is foolish IMO.  Gute and the coaching staff think highly of his skillset.  I'll trust their judgement. 

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Henry posted:
Fandame posted:

Okay, here's a wild idea: If you want your best 11 on the field, why not move Gary to the middle like they did with CMIII? He's fast, he's athletic. He's not going to beat out either of the Smiths right now, so why not get him on the field in some role? Even if he makes the tackle within three yards of the LOS, it's an improvement of two yards over Martinez, and I'm betting Gary has better football speed and explosiveness than does Martinez.

You're squating on my squatters rights to your original idea.  This calls for immediate retaliation.

Turn Gary into a TE. 

I think all 3 of us mentioned putting Gary in the middle. Didn't he do that a lot at Michigan to keep blockers off Devin Bush? 

Pretty sure we discussed this during the season.