ROUND 1 PICK 18 (f/SEA) - CB JAIRE ALEXANDER (LOUISVILLE)

Shades of Ahmad Carroll with an injury history.

Joy.  

Needs more tats.

Thanks for the smurf Gute  

Sounds like slot cb with injury history hmmmm Coach em up!

This guy has been moving up the boards and has been projected to GB anyway at 14.

Oh and we get a first rounder too.

This might be the slowest thread for a 1st rounder in X4 history.

I’m satisfied 

One comparison I heard was Tramon Williams, the younger version of Tramon. An inch shorter than Tramon was though.  Let's hope he's that and not Ahmad Carroll.

By the Jimmy Johnson chart, the Saints just sent the equivalent of the fifth overall pick to the Packers to move up and grab Marcus Davenport

Isn't 5th overall where the Packers got AJ Hawk?

fightphoe93 posted:

One comparison I heard was Tramon Williams, the younger version of Tramon. An inch shorter than Tramon was though.  Let's hope he's that and not Ahmad Carroll.

 

I actually like the comparison to Sam Shields better. I posted a comparison of their pre-draft measurements in the draft thread, they line up pretty closely. I’d be thrilled if he ends up with a career like either Tramon or Shields.

For some reason, I kept having premonitions of an "undersized" corner who could talk smack but back up his play and not be a Carroll/Randall-like locker room distraction and serve an important slot role coming out of his draft. Never thought it would be Alexander though.

But seriously, watch the highlight clips. He holds his own against Michael Clark and DeShaun Watson, among others. Sounds like injuries were the only thing keeping him from being in the Fitzpatrick and James category.

Not the preferred build, hopefully he has some hops because he's gonna see a lot of targets in the red zone.  

There will be a better player this year that wears #23

I guess everyone expected they would do something expexted.

T-Buck was his position coach in college.

Well, Yeah.

Except for those of us who were expecting the unexpected and those who had no expectations.

I unexpected the expected. I think.

See.

BrainDed posted:

Not the preferred build, hopefully he has some hops because he's gonna see a lot of targets in the red zone.  

Ok. You wanted no part of Davenport at 14 because he was a pass rush project that hasn’t gone against elite competition. But last year you wanted Watt at 30 because pass rush solved everything for the secondary. Then GB drafts the second best press cover guy that’s gone against elite competition and you’re worried he’s may suffer in the red zone. 

So what the **** man? Seriously. 

So you think he has the preferred build for a corner?   I don't think my comment was that negative, just pointing out the obvious concern.   

No I don't want a small school pass rush project.   Yes last year I wanted the guy from Big10 who played big against Ohio St, Michigan and so on.   I'm missing the problem.  

Im not hating the the pick.   I'm a little disappointed we didn't use this rare opp of starting mid 1st coupled with 11 other picks to make a play on elite talent so maybe that's showing through on my tone. 

None of this matters, Viks always win the off-season.

The Vikes not only got short, they also got rapey. 

There is no effing way Ted drafts Jaire Alexander at 14 if Dom is still the DC. Or makes the trade down/up to 18. Especially after Randall was told to git.

No knock on Ted. But everyone stops chasing their misses eventually. Even if those misses are Dom Capers fault. Can’t miss players because you’ve missed though. 

Tonight felt different. Like someone else’s plan. 

Like his speed and what he brings to the return game and love the move to get an extra first out of it. My guess is on the Packers' board the gap between he and Ward wasn't that significant. Won't ultimately know anything about the wisdom of the moves for several years.

I was expecting the Spanish inquisition.

He also returns punts. Although I'm not certain we want our starting CB/Nickle to return punts all season.

Because opposing offenses are going to be punting the ball back to AR12.....A LOT!

It's what you've been missin'?

I have no issue with this move.  In my mind the only two elite DB prospects were Ward and Fitzpatrick.  Trading back to get a decent cover and return guy plus picking up another first (albeit no 3rd rounder) seems like a good move.  Time will tell but I don’t understand all the angst with this move. 

Now, if you are a Browns fan I would be burning down the city lol 

I love the move, thought trading down to get an extra second or third was always the smart move, never considers we'd get an extra first!  

JA brings speed, which the secondary needed.  My only worry is JA already has a history of being fragile.  

What I love about the pick after watching the highlight reel is the guy does his job and looks for the ball consistently, which helps his INT total.

I like Alexander a lot. What bothers me is that we had a pick at 14 where we had the CHOICE of either Derwin James or Tremaine Edmunds, two picks many mocks had going well above the Packers at 14. I do not know where the Packers sit now since they traded up for #18. What did they give up to do this? Next year we get New Orleans first round pick as well as our own first round pick. It has been forever, if ever, since the Pack has had two first round picks. Instead of being ecstatic over that, I am wondering how this gets changed.

El-Ka-Bong posted:

I love the move, thought trading down to get an extra second or third was always the smart move, never considers we'd get an extra first!  

JA brings speed, which the secondary needed.  My only worry is JA already has a history of being fragile.  

I think we will be drafting more CB help to cover the injury problem.

Tschmack posted:

I have no issue with this move.  In my mind the only two elite DB prospects were Ward and Fitzpatrick.  Trading back to get a decent cover and return guy plus picking up another first (albeit no 3rd rounder) seems like a good move.  Time will tell but I don’t understand all the angst with this move. 

Now, if you are a Browns fan I would be burning down the city lol 

Living in the armpit of Ohio there are quite a few Browns fans at my work.  Lots of grumbling this morning.

Anyhow, I am happy with this pick we needed a corner badly and we got the 1st or 2nd ranked corner in the draft.  My only concern is no 3rd round pick I  hope they can find a way to get back in to the 3rd round.

the little bit I heard from Gute on the radio this morning leads me to believe he's going to find a way into the 3rd.

mrtundra posted:

. I do not know where the Packers sit now since they traded up for #18. What did they give up to do this? 

Packers lost a 3rd & 5th / received a 6th

Pack has ONE pick today (so far) #45 overall

Tomorrow they currently have 6 picks in rounds 4 & 5. So they can easily get into round 3 if they like someone. 

Gutey is gonna move back into the 3rd...I hope. 

Credit the @packers for moving around the board to get picks while still acquiring a blue-chip player. Alexander is an exceptional cover corner with press man skills. He is the perfect CB for Mike Pettine's aggressive scheme. #NFLDraft

— Bucky Brooks (@BuckyBrooks) April 27, 2018

I was hoping they'd take Derwin James at 14.  I think he's a top 5 safety in a couple years.  But hard to criticize what Gute did last night.  He traded the 14th, 76th and 186th picks for Alexander, a 2019 first-rounder plus picks 147 and 248.  All to get a guy that I've seen mocked to the Packers as much as any player.  

Of course this all depends on how Alexander plays and where the 2019 pick from New Orleans comes in.  But I think New Orleans is going to take a step back this year and I've read positive reports on Alexander.  So I'm pretty stoked about what happened last night.  

Did the Pack pick up another 7th during the dealing on Thursday?

They traded a 7th (to the Saints) & picked up a 7th from Seattle (I think?)

Something like that

I think in total, they gave up a 3rd and a 6th and got a 5th and a 7th plus a 2019 1st. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm thrilled with the way things went yesterday.  I thought Gute was fantastic.  For moving down four spots in the first round and a third rounder, we got a player that we wanted from the beginning--there's a good chance that he's the pick at 14 if we stay--and we picked up an extra first and some picks in the later rounds.  That's fantastic.  It was Belichick-esque, minus the monotone press conference.  

As for Alexander, I think he's a great addition.  A pure cover corner who is also a dynamic returner and plays with an attitude.  We need help in all of those areas.  And he's immediately one of the best athletes on the team.  

The size doesn't bother me.  Wolf instituted the "no-CB-shorter-than-six-feet" rule after Moss absolutely owned us. It continued to make sense with Calvin Johnson in the division.  But those guys are gone,and recent history tells us that shorter CBs can also dominate (see, e.g., Revis, who is 5'11" and Chris Harris, who is 5'10").   We also have a CB in King that has the ability to take any large WRs if there is a match-up problem. 

My only concern is the injury history, but those seem to be random injuries rather than long-term injuries that could linger.  

Per Prosportstransactions.com (An absolutely fascinating site by the way):

Traded • 2018 first round pick (#27-Rashaad Penny) • 2018 fifth round pick (#147-?) • 2019 first round pick (?-?) to Packers for • 2018 first round pick (#14-Marcus Davenport) on 2018-04-26

Traded • 2018 first round pick (#27-Rashaad Penny) • 2018 third round pick (#76-?) • 2018 sixth round pick (#186-?) to Seahawks for • 2018 first round pick (#18-Jaire Alexander) • 2018 seventh round pick (#248-?) on 2018-04-26

Bucky Brooks gave us an A+ on the pick and Maylock had us picking him at 14.

michiganjoe posted:

Like his speed and what he brings to the return game and love the move to get an extra first out of it. My guess is on the Packers' board the gap between he and Ward wasn't that significant. Won't ultimately know anything about the wisdom of the moves for several years.

Mike Mayok had Alexander as his top rated CB, (#12 over all vs. #15 for Ward), so I'd expect the Packers felt similarly.

The way the passing game has evolved, it's not about  having DBs who can match up and run and defend and tackle the receiver. The guys who can do all those things well are as rare as quick, strong, fast bigs. It's about staying near enough to the receiver so the QB won't throw there. Great QBs can still make the perfect pass and there's nothing to be done about it.  Chumps will do it occasionally and that's why CBs have to have a short memory. The key is forcing the QB to his 3rd and 4th reads and give the rush a chance to get home. Alexander fits that scheme perfectly.

BTW, who won the "First to Panic" award?

So...if we assume the Pack would have picked Alexander at 14 anyhow....the end result is...

The Packers traded #76 and #186 for #147 and #248 and a #1 next year.

If call #s 186 and 147 a wash and don't even consider 248.....

In effect the Packers traded a 3rd this year for a first next year.