ROUND 1 PICK 26 OVERALL - DE DATONE JONES (UCLA)

Peppers, Perry, and Clay. We don't chase ambulances, we put people in them.

PCP?

Casey Heyward or any TE on the roster

I think you are Rong about Rodgers.

Hayward had a stellar rookie year. Stellar. Both Perry and Jones have been far less than desirable in my opinion. I want both Datone and Perry to deliver. Neither has. Ever. 

disagree

 

And you're going to have to accept that the burr up your arse about these DL gents is clouding your view.

 

Think about that for a moment 

 

Potential

 

I've seen the flash plays. And they sadly have been just that with both players. The burr up my arse is a very real lack of production, plain and simple. 

 

http://www.foxsports.com/wisco...-datone-jones-031115

 

http://www.foxsports.com/wisco...up-nick-perry-032715

 

http://allgbp.com/2015/02/11/d...ckers-player-grades/

 

http://allgbp.com/2015/02/09/n...ckers-player-grades/

 

I'm not not making this stuff up. I just want a DE opposite Daniels who will produce. Get sacks. Make tackles. Play the game well. It's been about 3 years. Still looking for that player to emerge. 

that vid is a perfect sack of a QB...  glad it doesn't include the hanky that flew after it that still chaps my ass.  and, yes, I have some lotion for that.

Both players were projects when they were drafted. Neither one quite fit in any scheme, but they have/had an enormous upside due to their size and athletic ability. Both have unfortunately been hampered by injuries, but even if they had stayed healthy I still think their development would have taken time. Datone especially is a unique athlete that needed to figure out what kind of player he was going to be...would he bulk up and be a true DT/5-tech or would he drop some weight and be DE/pass rusher. It seems they want him to bulk up a little and be a base 5-tech who slides to the 3 in passing situations. I think now that he's found his home he will start to take the next step. Perry has just needed to stay healthy because I think when he's been on the field we have seen his conversion to OLB go as planned...he's stout against the run and has been able to pressure the QB. Healthy opportunities have been few and far between for him though.

I think the boot will find the right place for both players

Tdog, you're right! I was thinking exactly the same thing. And, it was as clean a hit as can be. Too bad they made a poor call on that play by Perry.

 

Grave Digger, I totally agree. They were not drafted to produce right away, or at least, they needed to be groomed into the positions we wanted them to play. Unfortunately, this is the one big problem with Draft & Develop as your primary source of talent acquisition. While the needs may be immediate, the development for some of these players takes time, sometimes years.

 

I'm still hopeful for both players. Hope no one is getting me wrong on that, but I see they are not trending well, and that gives some cause for concern. I think we have ample replacements for Perry if he doesn't work out, or finds himself on the PUP to start the season. Elliott and Hubbard seem to be showing pretty well in practice, and Rasco flashes some ability. I can't wait to see what Vaughters brings to the table.

 

As for Datone Jones, he is not the only player who fared poorly last season on our DL. Josh Boyd and Mike Pennel need to make some significant plays with some consistency. Maybe Khyri Thornton does something this season. Maybe Christian Ringo or Lavon Hooks. That DE spot opposite Daniels is the big question mark going into this season.

 

Now, if they line up Leroy Guion there, our problems may be solved. The guy came into this set of OTAs looking like a wrecking crew! Man, was THAT good to see! Hopefully, Datone puts it all together for a great season this year. I'd love to see that. Good health on D, and on this Packers team in general will be a big plus.

 

This little read with some video on Datone Jones is encouraging: http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/p...ime-for-datone-jones

You've done a excellent job of looking backwards and offering evidence to support your point of view. Can't ask for more than that. Well done.

 

On the other hand, looking forward also has its merits and those flashes are indications of ability, talent and skills. 

My comment about the burr up your arse is that many fans start down the path of ripping on a guy and then have a very difficult time reversing course.

 

It becomes a case of confirmation bias - its just human nature. I suffer from it on the other side of the equation - irrational exuberance and a steadfast belief in TT to find football players and the coaches' ability to develop and utilize that talent.

DL take time and it would be unfortunate to miss out on the good stuff because of previous bias... regardless of whether or not that bias was valid. 

 

"I am not concerned with being consistent in what I say, I am concerned with being consistent with the Truth as its revealed to me"

 

 

PS- Goalline thinks yer hot and it doesn't take much to get him randy as a jackrabbit

Satori, you're right. Looking forward has it's merits. I'm a super positive guy, an artist, a painter. I like to think I can see ahead, concept. I'm  hopeful Datone develops with the rest of our players and has a great season. Big production from our DL will pay very big dividends this year, especially with some youth in our secondary. 

 

Some peple see criticism as akin to dislike. I don't. Looking critically is positive in problem solving. Patience is important with these D&D players, as you say, especially on the DL. 

 

My patience has just worn thin there I guess. No bias. Just taking the results, the numbers, the actual pluses and minuses for what they are. 

 

Hopefully the the yoga helps his balance and his game. 

That tackle includes using the crown of the helmet on a players jaw. It's illegal, plain and simple. There is NO place for that in the NFL and it might just be what takes down our beloved game.

 

The lawyers smell blood. No more spearing...it's not a part of the game! 

 

Perry should have taken him lower, with a shoulder and then wrap him up. Like a man. Like Lombardi taught. If Luck breaks in half and his guts fall out from that...tough titty. Crush the F***er with a real tackle.

 

But no more using the crown of the helmet...especially to the head. Or we ARE going to lose this game,  if we haven't already. 

Head up. Chest. Wrapped up. Perfect hit. Clean strip. Like a man. Vince would have taught this hit. Vince would have loved this hit. 

 

15 yards. Automatic first down...

 

We may lose this game. But this ain't a reason why. At all. On any level. 

 

 

 

You know what...I can see now (from this angle) that you are right. I was wrong. Thanks.

 

I have no tolerance for the GD spearing nonsense, but that wasn't the case here despite what I thought I saw from the other angle. 

Possibly the second worst flag against GB the past 5 years on a QB after Erik Walden's roughing call on Russell Wilson in 2012 when Jerron McMillian picked off a pass 1 series removed from the Fail Mary. 

 

Which brings me back to **** Seattle. 

And I'll add this about Datone, Nick, and Mike Neal

 

This team could have beat SF in 2013 with them. (Only 6 tackles, 1 sack between them)

 

They should have beat Seattle last year with them. (Only 8 tackles no sacks between them) 

 

All 3 did little to help the cause in either case. 

 

We can debate what could have happened if they played better or if GB drafted other players for the rest of time. If's and but's. Whatever...

 

The 2015 team isn't going to digress if those 3 take a step back. Kind of a less than zero equation at play here. 

 

But if even 1 of those three finds life's path???

I don't think it's a stretch to expect first- or early-round draft picks should be expected to contribute, at the very least. Jones, Perry, and Neal have done little.

It's fair to say that none of them have had ideal situations because of injuries, and the effect it has on development. Ditto for their potential, and everybody roots for them to succeed.

But, the bottom line is, the proof of the pudding is in the eating...

I agree you want to see the production, especially from Perry because DEs need to be getting sacks. All those players have been improving in other areas though when they've been on the field. Perry and Neal have been really solid run defenders, which is hard to really quantify. Datone has brought some pressure from the interior which is another aspect that you can't quantify, but is still critical. Getting interior pressure forces the OL to either keep a TE or RB in to help with the OLB or forces the OT in to a 1 on 1 with he OLB...either way it's a positive for Clay and Peppers. They have shown some stuff, but it's true he numbers haven't been there.

Reality says that with perennially good team, the Packers always draft late

They don't get a shot at the plug and play DL - so they draft and develop them

 

Some take more time than others and patience wears thin among the fans.

But Perry ( 10th), Neal( 13th) and Datone ( 8th) weren't the top DL off the board. Given the dearth of Big Men who can move, they are a highly sought- after bunch across the league. Some work out, many don't

 

Context helps and making all first rounders the same in our assessments is missing a big part of the reality. Huge difference between the 2nd DL and the 10th

 

Take some time and surf around drafthistory.com, I think you'll find it illuminating as it pertains to the success rate of big men and the time it takes to assimilate into the NFL

 

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/dt

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/de

 

And even though Worthy is likely a bust, the next DL chosen haven't done much better. Drafting talented DL is really hard and they all take time

 

I'll also add that in the case of Neal & Perry, I think they both over-bulked up for their frames and that added bulk likely contributed to their myriad injuries - but that's just my opinion.

 

 

Neal has been re-purposed with solid lunch pail rotations results.  Perry is a 4-3  DE, that's just a fact.  Even going into the draft he expressed his preference to play in a 4-3 set.  The good thing is he's physically gifted enough to play either set but then he's been constantly dinked up.  Datone is unspectacular and I agree with the development concept.  I do think he will fare better with a Raji in the rotation though.  Raji for a NT drives up the field.  If he can come back from the injury he will create opportunities for Datone.  

 

Flashy guys are outside.  It may be a island of misfit toys for late first rounders but they aren't worthless.  There's production, just not gaudy numbers.  I think if all these guys stay healthy they will make a jump now that there isn't a gaping hole down the middle of the defense.  

 

Like I said before, this may be the only defense in the league that starts in the backfield. 

Yup! As evidenced by the fact Reggie McKenzie passed on Leonard Williams (recognized by some as the #1 player OVERALL in the draft) for the stud WR.

I have been pretty down on Datone, but the reality is that it takes time for DL to assimilate in the NFL. He has actually been coming along pretty well. 

 

This DL will be the sum of the parts type d-line. They have some nice peices, with Raji, Daniels, Boyd, Datone, Pennel, etc...

 

Can't wait to see what Jerry Montgomery brings. Guy is a great motivator to his troops- hoping for a  Kevin Greene like energy to the d-line !!

Great point Packdog.

 

The old- fart coaches Capers and Trgo have vast and superior knowledges, but don't have the 5 Hour Energy to fire these guys up. ( they're prune juicers )

 

Offseason self-scout says they need some more juice, in comes Monty

I don't know, Trgo is a pretty high octane dude. Capers naps a lot.

Was listening to Jason Wilde yesterday and he mentioned a conversation he recently had with Elliott Wolf about this. Wolf asked Wilde if he knew "who was the next best DL taken in that draft after the Worthy pick?"

 

Wilde didn't know. 

 

"Mike Daniels."

That's freaking awesome Trophies, thx for posting it

 

Andre Branch

Kendall Reyes

Jerel Worthy

Devon Still

Vinny Curry

Olivier Vernon

Tyrone Crawford

Mike Martin

John Hughes

Akiem Hicks

Jake Bequette

Brandon Thompson

Frank Alexander

Alameda Ta’amu

Jaye Howard

Jared Crick

Mike Daniels