Round 3 Pick 94 TE Josiah Deguara

@CUPackFan posted:

Regarding snap counts for fullbacks - 49ers used Juszczyk on 36.59% of their offensive snaps.  I haven't look it up but I'd imagine that he's the most used fullback in the league.  Vitale was used on 15.77% of 2019 offensive snaps.  I'd guess Deguerra is in between there in 2019.  

I imagine JD is going to be more of a HBack/Big Slot/TE similar to Cooley or even Travis Kelce. Not that JD is the same as those guys, but I don’t think he was drafted strictly to be a FB in the traditional sense. I would love nothing more than for opinions to change on draft value and for this pick to end up being successful and be a benchmark for drafting of future players. Right now it’s a reach, but at one time taking an interior OL in R1 was thought to be a waste. 

@Timpranillo posted:

If someone tells me that a competitor is gonna draft a FB that most thought would be there in the 6th and possibly even as an UDFA in the 5th, the proper response is to laugh and walk away, not panic and say "Oh well I should draft him in the 3rd."

@CUPackFan posted:

Boris, if that's true, then Gute needs to be fired today.  

Why? The draft is about figuring out where every team has a guy slotted -- and if you like a player, you draft him before anyone else does. 

That's how it works.

Now do you hit on every player? Hell no! Neither does any other team.

How many years in a row do you have to see the Ravens draft players a few slots in front of the Packers. There's a reason that happens It's because both front offices are really good

So drafting a guy before a bunch of Yahoo's have him slotted, should cost someone their job? What should happen if a player who was drafted at their slotted position sucks? Assigned to the Cleveland browns? Death?

Trick question, Cleveland Browns = death.

@GBFanForLife posted:

So drafting a guy before a bunch of Yahoo's have him slotted, should cost someone their job? What should happen if a player who was drafted at their slotted position sucks? Assigned to the Cleveland browns? Death?

What should happen if the GM is mocked  and ridiculed for picking a player too early....and the guy turns out to be pretty good ? Naysayers get testicular shock therapy ? Probably not gonna happen in todays blowhard world. #shucks

@Timpranillo posted:

Well.  If one looks at the catches/yards, you are correct that the first 2 years of MVS compare very favorably to those of Jordy.

Jordy 55/685/4  

MVS 64/1033/4

But, the key thing here is that Jordy put up those numbers as a #3 or #4 WR in those years. He was behind clear #1 (Jennings) and #2 (Driver).  

So saying that MVS as the #2 produced similarly to a #3 or #4 isn't exactly a ringing endorsement in my mind...  But if he can step up to be a true #2, then none of this matters, and let's hope he does

Yes. Jordy was playing behind two guys who made Pro Bowls at some point in their career and the other backup WR was James Jones. And a healthy Jermichael Finley was the TE. 

MVS struggled to compete for snaps with Lazard, Geronimo Allison, and Jake Kumerow - who were all UDFAs. 

I hope you are right about MVS, but other than one slant pass he took to the house last year, he didn't show much of anything. Maybe he was hurt more than they reported because his production fell off a cliff after Week 7. From that point on, he played 179 snaps over 9 games. He caught 5 passes for 36 yards. In 20 snaps a game over 9 games. That's abysmal. 

MVS doesn't appear to track the ball well in the air so his speed isn't fully utilized. Lazard, on the other hand, tracks the ball very well but isn't fast enough to be a top #2 WR. 

@Packdog posted:

What should happen if the GM is mocked  and ridiculed for picking a player too early....and the guy turns out to be pretty good ? Naysayers get testicular shock therapy ? Probably not gonna happen in todays blowhard world. #shucks

I agree on the FG/TE. Maybe he'll be fine and who cares if he's a 3rd rounder or an UDFA. TT blew the Brohm pick years ago but got Matt Flynn in the same draft in the 7th round and he was the serviceable backup they expected Brohm too be.  The best GMs miss on picks all the time. 

My comment is about the Jordan Love decision. Moving up to pick him set in motion a cascade of events that led to them using their 1st round and 4th round picks and probably drafting a guy they wanted much earlier than they needed to because they didn't have the 4th rounder. Moving up to draft him cost them 2 players (and some additional draft capital) that could have helped a 13-3 team with almost every key player back except Bulaga get over the hump. There is no way to spin away the fact that these events make it much less likely they will win a Super Bowl this year. Maybe they don't think they really have a shot. 

If Love ends up being a guy that's a even a borderline Pro Bowler in 5 years, it will be worth it in the long term. If he ends up being like Jameis Winston it may cost Gutey his job down the road. Winston had the same problem as Love in college - he thew way too many interceptions in his final college year. Love is a lot less risky at #26 than Winston was as the top overall pick, but Love at #30 with the extra 4th round pick  would have been a lot better. Or let the draft come to you and take the BPA at #30. If that's Love great. If that's a WR, fine. 

Yeah, but Love the previous year looked a lot like Arod. Last year I'll bet he felt he was abandoned by talent and coaches and went Brett Favre on his team.

@GreenBayLA posted:

Trick question, Cleveland Browns = death.

They can let you down one last time.

Still, those savvy enough to read between the lines in the post-draft comments could surmise that if LaFleur truly had nothing to do with the Love pick, then how to explain the third-round pick of tight end/H-back Josiah Deguara?

Perhaps Gutekunst, after taking Love, allowed LaFleur a pick of his own.

"I'm very close with the offensive coordinator at Cincinnati, Mike Denbrock," LaFleur said. "And he raves about the guy."

Cincinnati Bearcat TE:

Brent Celek

Travis Kelce

Josiah DeGuara

Please god.......

Celek: 6'4", 255 lbs

Kelsey: 6'5", 260

DeGuara: 6'3", 240  maybe he's still growing?? 

People, it's "Kelce".  

Not if you are talking about Grammer.  

6'5", 260?  Don't see it.

@YATittle posted:

Still, those savvy enough to read between the lines in the post-draft comments could surmise that if LaFleur truly had nothing to do with the Love pick, then how to explain the third-round pick of tight end/H-back Josiah Deguara?

Perhaps Gutekunst, after taking Love, allowed LaFleur a pick of his own.

"I'm very close with the offensive coordinator at Cincinnati, Mike Denbrock," LaFleur said. "And he raves about the guy."

A good GM is going to draft players that fulfill the coaches game plan philosophy.  It doesn't mean the MLF has a say in who's drafted, but it will determine the types of players drafted.

If MLF's game plan isn't to go 5-wide then Gute isn't going to draft a bunch of burner WR's.  I think we have a pretty good idea now of how MLF wants to run the offense.  We're going to be a play-action running team, in the mold of SF and TN.  The draft reflects this.

@FinnLander posted:

People, it's "Kelce".  

Oops.  

"Joshua" Deguara

He fills a lot of holes, belly fire index is of the charts, but he does seem to have short arms and small hands. Not sure how to evaluate him. 😁

@YATittle posted:

Yeah, but Love the previous year looked a lot like Arod. Last year I'll bet he felt he was abandoned by talent and coaches and went Brett Favre on his team.

Holy fuck, I just saw this gem. 

@Chongo posted:

"Joshua" Deguara

"Usually the taller you are the harder it is to have great footwork".

Is this really a thing?  Is this why tall, stupid, slow WR are worthless?  

But..."catch radius"

Janis 2.0?

Niners wanted him. 

Instead they have concussion king Jordan Reed & they also drafted a TE in round 6.

I'm hoping he's a poor man's Kittle -- I'll be thrilled if that's what happens. 

Then nobody will give a shit he was drafted end of 3.

@Sufferinginmn posted:

He fills a lot of holes, ...........

All at once?

Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the backfield.

He's no Maxwell Edison.

Link

Block where he took out two players on a nice run by Lazard.

They need go get him and Dillion on the field at the same time. Dillion and Deguara...Double D’s...Double Devastation

@michiganjoe posted:

Link

Block where he took out two players on a nice run by Lazard.

A thing of Green and Gold beauty!

To add, per Ryan Wood, who got a chance to talk to J. Alexander, Alexander immediately noticed Degura's work ethic. Like him, Degura goes after every single play again and again and again and dissects every damn thing about the play and what he could have done better. Per Alexander, he's almost obsessive about it. 

He said it's rare to see that kind of initiative in a rookie. Who knows, just maybe we won't be wondering why this dude was a 3rd rounder after all. 

I liked what he showed already.  He looked very natural, like he been in the offense for years.  I also don't know if Sternberger is going to turn into much.  

Not practicing today with a shin injury.

Well, this sucks. I don't really know how much impact he would have made but I loved his blocking in game 1. Here's hoping to a full recovery in 2021

It's indeed a torn ACL for Deguara, a source said. His season is over. https://t.co/NwzB7vaB5D

— Rob Demovsky (@RobDemovsky) October 6, 2020

Sucks.

A lot of teams in far worse shape.

At least it wasn't to a key piece of the offense. He will bounce back. High ceiling.

Likely won't see much out of this guy until year 3. 

He contributed more than Love, amirite?