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Silverstein just tweeted out that the Packers aren't interested in paying 22 million per that Bak apparently wants.

Edit: Here's the tweet.

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If he gets to FA, heโ€™ll get his 22 mil or more. Thatโ€™s just reality. All it takes is one owner who is willing to pay. And with recent teams like the Browns who just 2 years ago IIRC had in insane amount of cap money available (I believe 100mil),  yes heโ€™ll get that money. 

I understand the Packers mindset. But the FO has to understand the reality of how these teams finagle their books as well. That the Chiefs essentially had 100 bucks of cap dollars and signed all these dudes itโ€™s ridiculous. And thing is, they arenโ€™t the only team to do it. See the whiners and also see Dall-ass.  

Bakh is right and FO is right. Bakh will be franchised, so they have a lot more time to negotiate this, so the team is in no rush. They value him, but there are a lot of considerations. They will likely have to dump/let walk Turner, Wagner, and Taylor just to stay competitive with the salary cap to keep him. Every action has a consequence and while yeah they could find the money it means mortgaging some other aspect where a fellow teammate may have to be dumped early or be put in a bad spot themselves. 

The flip side is that if he blows out his knee tomorrow then his value diminishes incredibly. He wants a deal NOW commensurate with his skill level. And he deserves it. 

I almost always side with the player in these disputes.    The team has zero loyalty to him and to pretend they do is naive.    He absolutely should demand what he wants and not concede anything based on loyalty. 

That said, there is value in working in an environment and with people you enjoy.    Bahk might not  understand that since this is his first job outside of college football.    I hope that his family shares this tid bit with him and he takes into consideration should the Packers stick to their position of not paying 22.  

@michiganjoe posted:

Silverstein just tweeted out that the Packers aren't interested in paying 22 million per that Bak apparently wants.

Edit: Here's the tweet.

If he tests the market he's a 25-30 million dollar prospect. Bak will be crazy to sign for less about 25. I bet he's asking for 26.

@Goalline posted:

If he tests the market he's a 25-30 million dollar prospect. Bak will be crazy to sign for less about 25. I bet he's asking for 26.

With the cap going down and QB salaries going up, I find it difficult to believe a team will spend 25-30 million on a left tackle - no matter how great he is.  If you have a QB earning 30 million and a LT earning 25 million, there is 120 million left for 51 players.  FWIW.  

With the cap going down and QB salaries going up, I find it difficult to believe a team will spend 25-30 million on a left tackle - no matter how great he is.  If you have a QB earning 30 million and a LT earning 25 million, there is 120 million left for 51 players.  FWIW.  

Franchise LT's hit the open market once in a decade. Someone is going to lose their shit chasing him. Watch! 

$22 Million? wow. I'd really love to have him for 4 more years but...

The best tackle in the league won't get you a superb owl. It didn't get the Browns anything while they had Joe Thomas. The zone blocking scheme and fast pass attack makes individual dominance less critical. Plus it's Bahk's 3rd contract (Tunsil signed his 2nd). 8 years and never played fewer than 72% of the snaps. That's a lot of mileage.

Emotionally I say sign him. Analytics makes it a lot tougher decision.

I think you can franchise 3 years in a row but that 3rd year is unsustainably high for any position other than QB. If his demands are extreme, which $4M greater than the top salary at his position is extreme IMO, then he will he franchised. Bakh wonโ€™t like it, but itโ€™s a business and thatโ€™s how it works. Heโ€™s right that the team has the ability to make moves to find the money to help him out, but his team also has the ability to find wiggle room in contract structure to be team friendly. 

We can all thank the genius twat Bill Oโ€™Brien for this situation. Itโ€™s not enough he makes bizarre and counter productive moves for his own team, but setting the LT market $6M above the next contract per year is ridiculous. Tunsil isnโ€™t even that good, heโ€™s good, but heโ€™s not the best in the league. Give DBakh 4 years, $90M, with $30M guaranteed. Thatโ€™s workable for everyone. 

A top LT isnโ€™t a what gets you a Super Bowl, but it can be a hole that keeps you from a SB. Remember life before DBakh? The Marshall Newhouse era? The Derek Sherrod era that barely happened? Replacing a LT can be a shit show. 

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Based on the information below, the franchise tag for Bakh is likely to be about 18 million this coming year.  The following year (120% of the previous year) would be just under 22 million. The third year (144% of the previous year) is when it would become prohibitive at about 32 million. 

If the Packers wanted to play hardball, you'd get him for the next 2 years at 40 million. That's less per year than what he's asking for. 

From NFL.com and bleacherreport.com and sportrac.com

https://www.nfl.com/news/franc...ith%20another%20team.

https://bleacherreport.com/art...%20previous%20figure.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/left-tackle/

 

Non-exclusive franchise tag: This is the most commonly used tag. When commentators colloquially refer to the "franchise tag" they are generally talking about the non-exclusive version. This is a one-year tender offer for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position over the last five years, or 120 percent of his previous salary, whichever is greater. The player can negotiate with other teams. The player's current team has the right to match any offer, or receive two first-round draft picks as compensation if he signs with another organization.



Teams can continuously franchise players, but it'll cost them to do that. As had been the case previously, a player tagged a second straight year would have his number set at 120 percent of the previous figure. A third straight year? That's where things change, and the percentage goes up to 144.

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I can see where a player would want to get max $$$ if that opportunity presents itself, although I think it has to be in the guarantee, not necessarily the overall dollars.
But is the (potentially) extra monies worth playing for the Jets, Jags, Dolphins??
Or (gasp!) the Loins or Bares?

I think playing for a perpetual All-World QB, strong teammates, in an environment like no other in the world has to count, as well.

That's the give & take -- If you want to play for a winner, every player needs to scale back their salary demands just a little so the entire team can get paid.

LT is the #2 position on the team & good ones are hard to find -- elite LT's are even harder to find. Pay the man & let's move along. It sounds like they're not too far apart -- that's a good thing.

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