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@The Grinder posted:

     Steno did do a fine job as OL coach and I did not really see that bad a drop-off with Butkus. But I could be dead wrong.  Or rong as you will see here at times !

The OL dealt with a lot of injuries when Steno was OL coach and didn't miss a beat. Under Butkus it was more of a trainwreck when any changes needed to be made to the line.

I just don't feel as good about that room with Butkus at the front of the room.

The OL dealt with a lot of injuries when Steno was OL coach and didn't miss a beat. Under Butkus it was more of a trainwreck when any changes needed to be made to the line.

I just don't feel as good about that room with Butkus at the front of the room.

I agree on Steno v Butkus. If I recall, Steno got re-involved last year toward the end and the line improved. Now, whether it was due directly to his influence or just the OL gelling is up for debate, but I don't think there's any doubt the OL was much better under Steno than it has been under Butkus. (I said so last year, too.)

Not sure why this is being put out in the ether at this point...

@Chongo posted:

Not sure why this is being put out in the ether at this point...

The Jets offensive line is a mess and the media in NYC are driving this.

https://nfltraderumors.co/jets...-lt-david-bakhtiari/

Bakh is probably going to be cut after this season as his cap hit is 40 million in 2024, but his dead cap if waived is only 19 million.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/gr...vid-bakhtiari-12390/

If you truly thought you were a Super Bowl contender this year, there is no way you consider trading him. But if you honestly aren't, and the Jets get desperate and start offering some premium picks (say the 1st or 2nd rounder next year other than the one they'll already send for Rodgers and another pick) you have to consider it. Since mid-October of 2020, Bakh has played in 19 of the possible 47 games and he turns 32 next month.

As others have pointed out, this trade almost entirely benefits the Jets. Not the Packers.

A better record for the Jets in 2023 means a lower 1st round pick for the Packers. Why would the Pack want to do that?

IF Bakh can stay healthy, and the Jets wouldn't be trading for him unless he is, then Love loses out on an All-Pro LT who protects his blindside in his 1st year as a starter. And yes, that matters tremendously. The presence of him as a vet also only helps out the younger OL like Tom and Nyman etc.

The dead cap numbers don't make much sense either as Ingles points out above.  As he also points out "

@KenIngalls
A better situation can no longer happen since they restructured his deal already. The situation above is now the best savings option.
This is the Jets media hoping for a trade that almost certainly doesn't happen.
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But if you honestly aren't, and the Jets get desperate and start offering some premium picks (say the 1st or 2nd rounder next year other than the one they'll already send for Rodgers and another pick) you have to consider it.

My understanding of trades is that because the trade for Rodgers variable (IE, we could get a 1st or 2nd) you cannot do any other trades dealing with the 1st and 2nd round picks *until* the stipulation for that trade is reached.

Because Rodgers has to play 65% of snaps in a season to trigger the 1st round pick, that part of the trade would not be triggered until week 11 at the earliest.

However the trade deadline is after week 8.  So there will be no way to trade Bakh to the Jets for either their 1st or 2nd next year because those picks are tied up in the Rodgers trade and will be until after the trade deadline passes.

This is why teams do not like to do trades with escalators and the like.

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Anyway, I think the only realistic trade team for Bahk would be the Jets just to reunite him and Rodgers, and that's already been discussed as a no-go for this year. With his knee, he's not going to want to go to a rebuilding team. Another team that might be a possibility is KC as their line needs help and their chances are good for another SB run, but I don't know how their cap stands.

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