I would think with a name like old school you would know Max MaGee was the 4th ranked punter by ave. in 1958 and Boyd Dowler was the 5th ranked by ave. in 1961. Donny Anderson couldn't hold their jocks.
Donny Anderson was 6-2, 215 according to pro-football reference - so let us not think of 5-9 Aaron Jones as a punter. Two totally different builds - but both were RBs. He was good for about 40 yards per punt. Not sure if that was net though. He did have very good "hang time" - a term Lombardi made popular. I remember reporters being surprised by the term and Lombardi had to define it for them. So that minimized returns. In most of his 6 years as the full time punter he would kick a long punt of about 60 yards. Yes, his left footed punts were hard to handle by returners.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JK turns 23 wonder if coach will let him stay out past 9pm
Scott is married and has a kid. I don't think it is the coaches call.
Soto on the Nationals (you know, WS champion MLB team) is now officially 21. He can now drink beer legally in public. Scott is 2 years older. Age has privileges. 
This is from Ryan Wood on Scott.
What's up with JK Scott? Before #Packers game in KC, Scott said he raised his drop, trying to get more hangtime instead of driving the football. Since then, he's averaged fewer than 40 yards per punt past 4 games. "Iâve just got to get back to letting loose."
Gotta be Shawn's, Brett's or Ted's fault, no?
R MaN posted:This is from Ryan Wood on Scott.
What's up with JK Scott? Before #Packers game in KC, Scott said he raised his drop, trying to get more hangtime instead of driving the football. Since then, he's averaged fewer than 40 yards per punt past 4 games. "Iâve just got to get back to letting loose."
What the hell was whoever told him to do this thinking?
| PUNTS | AVG | LNG | YDS | TB | TB% | IN20 | IN20% | ATT | YDS | AVG | NET | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sun 11/24 | @ SF | L 37-8 | 6 | 37.2 | 41 | 223 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | 3 | 14 | 4.7 | 34.8 |
| Sun 11/10 | vs CAR | W 24-16 | 4 | 35.3 | 41 | 141 | 0 | 0.00 | 2 | 50.00 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 35.3 |
| Sun 11/3 | @ LAC | L 26-11 | 5 | 37.6 | 52 | 188 | 0 | 0.00 | 2 | 40.00 | 2 | 1 | 0.5 | 37.4 |
| Sun 10/27 | @ KC | W 31-24 | 3 | 35.3 | 43 | 106 | 0 | 0.00 | 1 | 33.33 | 1 | 18 | 18.0 | 29.3 |
| Sun 10/20 | vs OAK | W 42-24 | 3 | 55.3 | 57 | 166 | 0 | 0.00 | 1 | 33.33 | 2 | 47 | 23.5 | 39.7 |
| Mon 10/14 | vs DET | W 23-22 | 3 | 51.7 | 53 | 155 | 0 | 0.00 | 1 | 33.33 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 51.7 |
| Sun 10/6 | @ DAL | W 34-24 | 6 | 49.5 | 58 | 297 | 0 | 0.00 | 2 | 33.33 | 3 | 18 | 6.0 | 46.5 |
| Thu 9/26 | vs PHI | L 34-27 | 2 | 41.5 | 52 | 83 | 0 | 0.00 | 1 | 50.00 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 41.5 |
| Sun 9/22 | vs DEN | W 27-16 | 4 | 53.0 | 66 | 212 | 1 | 25.00 | 3 | 75.00 | 1 | 3 | 3.0 | 47.3 |
| Sun 9/15 | vs MIN | W 21-16 | 8 | 47.6 | 59 | 381 | 1 | 12.50 | 1 | 12.50 | 4 | 25 | 6.3 | 42.0 |
| Thu 9/5 | @ CHI | W 10-3 | 9 | 47.6 | 63 | 428 | 0 | 0.00 | 5 | 55.56 | 4 | 36 | 9.0 | 43.6 |
| REGULAR SEASON STATS | 53 | 44.9 | 66 | 2,380 | 2 | 3.77 | 19 | 35.85 | 20 | 162 | 8.1 | 41.1 | ||
Data provided by Elias Sports Bureau
GLOSSARY
- ATT:Punt Returns
- AVG:Gross Average Punt Yards
- IN20:Punts Inside 20
- IN20%:Punts Inside 20 Percentage
- LNG:Long Punt
- NET:Net Average Punt Yards
- PUNTS:Punts
- TB:Touchbacks
- TB%:Touchback Percentage
- YDS:Punt Yards
Incompetent
That's a pretty brutal response to MP2's post even if his shit is all over the place.
Opie Noodles. Great mob nickname.
Henry posted:That's a pretty brutal response to MP2's post even if his shit is all over the place.
I meant the ST coach who would tinker with his delivery
I think we need to have a joke seminar here.
Only if the instructor is Bill Burr
Nice game from Opie yesterday and he just needs to continue the trend.
Just need to stop screwing around with his mechanics and go with what works.
Apparently he was having problems in the past with his ball drop....which might be the reason he looks so young!
Uh, he said he was trying to get more hang time by trying a higher ball drop. This week I think he just hit the dang thing. Don't eff around -- if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just do what ya been doing.
They gotta bring in another free agent punter next summer. This guy is a big disappointment.
Absent Scott magically finding some consistency that to date has been completely absent it's hard to see him being the punter next year.
Dude just seems to be terrified of contact. Period.
Flipping a ball to your 36 year old kicker in hopes of some miracle play vs just falling on the fucking ball is simply inexcusable. He almost got Crosby killed.
That just cannot happen.
A new ST's coach would pair well with a new punter.
And a new long snapper. Bradley has been fucking up snaps all season.
Please, Gute, just don't waste draft picks on either... Nobody out there is that good.
Channeling Packdog:
"Remember when everyone on the board including me said Opie was the next Ray Guy?"
Wait, I never said that.
From Ray Guy to Just A Guy.
Guy.
Fuck you Pakrz.
I hate to say this but Money is getting a bit long in the tooth, still great but it canât last forever.
Better to be proactive than reactive. Sorta like drafting a Qb for 2025.
@packerboi posted:Dude just seems to be terrified of contact. Period.
Flipping a ball to your 36 year old kicker in hopes of some miracle play vs just falling on the fucking ball is simply inexcusable. He almost got Crosby killed.
That just cannot happen.
A new ST's coach would pair well with a new punter.
Brings up my disagreement with MP2.
If Boyle was the holder like he should have been, do you think he would have shoveled the ball to Mason?
Opie can take a hike!
Invest in a good ST coach and give Scott another year. Again thereâs no reason why he shouldnât be a good Punter, he needs someone who can get a lot out of a Punter.
@bvan posted:Brings up my disagreement with MP2.
If Boyle was the holder like he should have been, do you think he would have shoveled the ball to Mason?
Opie can take a hike!
Yes. There are arguments on both sides of the debate on whether your punter should be your holder. The argument that Belichick (and others make) is that the punter and kicker are working with the long-snapper anyway and you might as well take advantage of that. The punter practices receiving long snaps from the snapper for punts, why not just have him do it for place kicks, too?
The argument that others make (Bvan's example) for having the backup QB do it is that the QB is used to handling the ball a lot. It also brings a fake more into play.
I don't think that a punter is any more likely to shovel the ball to Crosby in that situation than a backup QB. It just shows two things.
First, a total lack of situational awareness by Opie (just like letting kick returners beat you on the sideline without forcing them to cut back twice in less than a month).
Second, and perhaps more damning, a complete failure of the special teams coach to prepare Opie for this. At some point, you'd think you'd have the conversation about what to do on a bad snap. On an XP with the ball spotted at the 33 yard line, the odds of anyone reaching the end zone are close to zero. Even more important, the defense can return it for 2 points. The odds of the defense returning it for 2 (with no one between them and the goalline) and the offense going 33 yards for 2 (with all 11 defenders to beat) are much higher. The special teams coach should have drilled both Scott and Crosby that if there is an extra point and this happens, fall on the ball or throw it into the ground ASAP (unless you are down 1 with only a few minutes left in the 4th quarter). In that case, there should be some predetermined plan that the ends just run downfield and you just heave it to them. A field goal attempt might also be a different calculation (4th and 3 or something like that is a much better likelihood of something positive happening). The main point is the special teams coach should go through all these scenarios proactively. Either he did and Opie panics in the moment or he didn't (reflecting poor planning by the ST coach).
I'm about 100% sure Boyle is never passing the ball to Crosby in that situation. He's going to try to get someone in the EZ or just throw the ball away, assuming no open lane to run it himself.
I remember Hasselbeck used to be the holder before he was traded to Seattle. I can't remember if the Packers have used a backup QB since then.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Yes. There are arguments on both sides of the debate on whether your punter should be your holder. The argument that Belichick (and others make) is that the punter and kicker are working with the long-snapper anyway and you might as well take advantage of that. The punter practices receiving long snaps from the snapper for punts, why not just have him do it for place kicks, too?
The argument that others make (Bvan's example) for having the backup QB do it is that the QB is used to handling the ball a lot. It also brings a fake more into play.
I don't think that a punter is any more likely to shovel the ball to Crosby in that situation than a backup QB. It just shows two things.
First, a total lack of situational awareness by Opie (just like letting kick returners beat you on the sideline without forcing them to cut back twice in less than a month).
Second, and perhaps more damning, a complete failure of the special teams coach to prepare Opie for this. At some point, you'd think you'd have the conversation about what to do on a bad snap. On an XP with the ball spotted at the 33 yard line, the odds of anyone reaching the end zone are close to zero. Even more important, the defense can return it for 2 points. The odds of the defense returning it for 2 (with no one between them and the goalline) and the offense going 33 yards for 2 (with all 11 defenders to beat) are much higher. The special teams coach should have drilled both Scott and Crosby that if there is an extra point and this happens, fall on the ball or throw it into the ground ASAP (unless you are down 1 with only a few minutes left in the 4th quarter). In that case, there should be some predetermined plan that the ends just run downfield and you just heave it to them. A field goal attempt might also be a different calculation (4th and 3 or something like that is a much better likelihood of something positive happening). The main point is the special teams coach should go through all these scenarios proactively. Either he did and Opie panics in the moment or he didn't (reflecting poor planning by the ST coach).
THIS!
@Grave Digger posted:Invest in a good ST coach and give Scott another year. Again thereâs no reason why he shouldnât be a good Punter, he needs someone who can get a lot out of a Punter.
On that note, fuck Murphy. The opportunity was there.
If you watch to the end the AR - McAfee interview, Rodgers actually gives props to Scott for trying to make something happen. Scott was wanting Crosby to pitch it back to him after the initial toss forward.
Still, he should have just dropped to the ground or tossed it OOB.
@Henry posted:On that note, fuck Murphy. The opportunity was there.
C'mon Henry. The Packers have never lost a key game mainly because of multiple special teams screw-ups. It probably just isn't on their radar.
I saw that too, H5. He also said something about pitching it to the franchise kicker might not have been the best idea.....but still gave him props for trying to make something out of it.
If anything, just throw some punter version of a hail mary into the EZ. Put some air under it and maybe someone gets in a position to get their hands on it or you get some fluke defensive PI call. Don't get some grandeur idea of a pitch and catch gadget play involving two guys that have no business handling a football that isn't being kicked.
Regardless of Opie's other shortcomings, his punting is inconsistent.
