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Marquez (mar-KWEZ) was an all-state pick from St. Petersburg, Fla., who helped his future USF teammate (cornerback Rodney Adams) win a state track title for Lakeview High as a senior. He decided to go to North Carolina State in 2013, however, making an impact there as a freshman with three starts in 10 games played (22 receptions, 281 receiving yards, missed two games with an injury). Valdes-Scantling played in all 13 games with the Wolfpack in 2014, starting the team's first eight games (22 receptions, 257 yards, one touchdown). His lack of action in the second half of the year due to a change in the team's offensive scheme, caused him to transfer back home to USF. He redshirted in 2015 as a transfer student, then exploded on the scene in 2016, starting all 13 games and covering 415 yards and scoring five times on just 22 catches (18.9 yards per reception). Valdes-Scantling set a record for the young program with 879 receiving yards in 2017, leading the team with 53 receptions and scoring six touchdowns.
 
Analysis By: Lance Zierlein NFL Analyst
Draft Projection: Rounds 6-7
NFL Comparison: Charone Peake
 
Overview:
Height, weight, speed prospect with intriguing deep ball capabilities as a big field stretcher. Valdes-Scantling is a work in progress who hasn't learned how to create leverage within his linear routes and doesn't have the ball skills he will need to win downfield. He's probably not ready to help a team just yet, but his issues may be correctable so he's worth a Day 3 selection as a stash-and-coach prospect.
 
Strengths:
  • Possesses size and speed traits evaluators look to develop
  • Pushes off the line of scrimmage with good forward lean to build momentum into downfield routes
  • Long strider with build-up speed that eventually overtakes most cornerbacks
  • Saw 26.4 percent of his catches go for 25-plus yards
  • Poor deep ball placement from his quarterback prevented more easy touchdowns
Weaknesses:
  • Routes lack sharpness and consistent play speed
  • Gives away stop routes prematurely
  • Slow to gather and redirect in space
  • Anchors on hitches and curls rather than working back to the throw
  • Too much body catching
  • Hands are small for his size and he suffers from focus drops
  • Gets deep but his ball skills down the field are lacking
  • Fails to utilize size to gain position

Sources Tell Us:
"His issues look coachable to me. You don't know what he was being taught, but he's big and can run so you take that and then just get those routes right." -- Former NFL Pro Bowl receiver

 

Great ideas rooted in love.(R)

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Now, check out this description of a wide receiver:

Height, weight, speed prospect with intriguing deep ball capabilities as a big field stretcher. He is a work in progress who hasn’t learned how to create leverage within his linear routes and doesn’t have the ball skills he will need to win downfield. He’s probably not ready to help a team just yet, but his issues may be correctable so he’s worth a Day 3 selection as a stash-and-coach prospect.

Sounds like Janis, doesn’t it? Instead, this is the description provided by NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein of wide receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling, a product of the University of South Florida.

Valdes-Scantling is indeed that type of receiver with elite size and speed but who will likely go in the late stages of the 2018 NFL Draft. Standing 6-foot-4 and weighing 206 pounds, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 seconds at the Scouting Combine. He then posted excellent reported times in agility drills at USF’s Pro Day in March, with a 6.85-second 3-cone drill and a time of 4.17 seconds in the short shuttle.

By comparison, Janis measured in at 6-foot-2 7/8 and 219 pounds, and put up a 4.42 40, 6.64 cone, and 3.98 shuttle.

"He decided to go to North Carolina State in 2013, however, making an impact there as a freshman with three starts in 10 games played (22 receptions, 281 receiving yards, missed two games with an injury). Valdes-Scantling played in all 13 games with the Wolfpack in 2014, starting the team's first eight games (22 receptions, 257 yards, one touchdown). His lack of action in the second half of the year due to a change in the team's offensive scheme, caused him to transfer back home to USF. "

 

Not exactly the way I remember it, kid just couldn't create separation and get open early in his career and we had better recruits coming in 

  • Poor deep ball placement from his quarterback prevented more easy touchdowns"

Eh... I believe Jacoby Brissett of the colts was qb that year  so no blame there 

 

Not seeing much potential here but hopefully learned/improved alot at usf

It's picking on Jeff Janis day!

Leading up to camp, consensus seemed to be JM, ESB, MVS as the pecking order to who would show the most.  It's still early but it looks like we got it backwards.  They all seem to have skills but MVS is in the drivers seat right now because he gets more snaps = more opportunities.  Good problem to have.

Fackrell made some key plays. In fact, the defense got the stops when they needed them with Fackrell in the game, not Matthews. 

Matthews runs himself out of every pass play trying to get the quick and easy sack.  He plays like it's all he cares about.  If it looks like he's not getting the sack, he half-asses it.  Not much help in the run game, either.

Fackrell actually looked better than 52 by comparison.

Tschmack posted:

I just got through a good part of the rewind 

If you think 52 or Fackrell made a real impact JFC we set the bar pretty ****ing low 

Our pass rushers suck.  Our run defense was worse. And I’m the drunk? 

Goddamn I should drink more and maybe this schit defense will look mediocre 

The defense sucked ass until the end.  On those stops at the end, Fackrell made a couple plays.  Pretty much the only point made. 

Matthews had a sack at the end, after being a nonfactor the entire game.

Pistol GB posted:

Well of course, but not when he's half-assing it.

I'm about as down on 52 as a fan can be right now.  This is supposed to be the guy carrying the defense and he just isn't.

Agreed.   That swing pass to the flat where he just ran right by the receiver without coming close to tackling him was about as bad as it gets.   

Fandame posted:

I'm not risking MVS or ESB on kick-offs. I'd risk Moore, as long as I was sure he could hang onto the ball. MVS and now ESB have shown that with other guys out they can carry the load. Given this teeter-totter of a team, I don't want to be caught short on WRs.

Seriously, we can’t risk Scantling on ST now? He’s already the best gunner on the team. He should be returning kickoffs. Hell they had Cobb returning punts and that’s more dangerous than kickoffs are these days. 

Some time this year I will get my wish. He will be returning kicks and Alexander will be returning punts. If we want something besides mediocre ST play.  

ChilliJon posted:

ST are a grease fire. If Rodgers happens to carry this team to the playoffs Zook has the ability to make everyone forget about Seattle in 14. 

Never thought the bottom might be worse than Slocum. But Mike might have found him. And kept him. 

It's another example of Mike's loyalty to a fault.   I don't know a single person who was happy about hiring Zook.    If I recall correctly, he was on the staff in some role already at the time of hiring. 

BrainDed posted:

It's another example of Mike's loyalty to a fault.   I don't know a single person who was happy about hiring Zook.    If I recall correctly, he was on the staff in some role already at the time of hiring. 

He was the Asst. Special Teams coach. Do NFL HC's normally poll fans or the media IRT coaching staff changes? 

Grave Digger posted:
BrainDed posted:

It's another example of Mike's loyalty to a fault.   I don't know a single person who was happy about hiring Zook.    If I recall correctly, he was on the staff in some role already at the time of hiring. 

He was the Asst. Special Teams coach. Do NFL HC's normally poll fans or the media IRT coaching staff changes? 

Point being we all knew it was horrible hire at the time.   It's another example of being loyal to a fault or incompetent in evaluating coaches. 

IIRC, MI'Joe, Davis is eligible to return week 9. 
I'm assuming they may have that 2-week roster exemption before they have to fish/cut bait. Assuming he is healthy enough to do so, he may be anywhere from 1-3 weeks away.
As an aside, I posted in another thread that Kumerow is a week ahead of Davis. With the same health assumption, his decision should come this week or next.
Not that he needs to be returning kicks or punts, but his roster spot may be affected by Davis.

I haven't read/heard a word about either of them, their injury status, whether they are practicing, or any speculation of what the Packers may do.

He is.  But those snaps have to come from some one else's pocket.  Do you take snaps away from Cobb or Allison?  ESB and MVS may both have higher ceilings than Allison but as far as experience in the system and productivity, it probably comes down to ESB vs Allison since MVS is already getting more work.  Maybe their snap count stays the same but they make more of their opportunities if AR starts looking to them.

There is nothing in that line of reasoning that says it means you get rid of Moore.  We don't know if he's been developing or not, if he's still showing potential or progress, etc.  He hasn't seen the field as much as the letters have which may be an indicator but that's a tight threesome of competition and he may just need a break to show his ability.

That's 7 (or 8) WR's if you keep them all. I know there have been times in the past when we have had 7 but has there ever been 8 WR's on the 53 man roster? 

He's not seeing much activity and has been a healthy scratch a number of times. I say let him cruise the practice squad. I don't think there's a big chance that someone signs him to their active roster. 

They should just say screw the kickoff return and just take a knee every chance they get.  There's a theory out there that teams do more to hurt themselves by returning kickoffs than by just taking a knee, now that you get the ball at the 25.  No risk, you get the ball at the 25 yard line with a HOF QB vs. returning it and risking penalties and turnovers with no guarantee you'll get it past the 25 yards line.  And Packers are averaging 19.9 yard per return.  I don't know where the average start is but that 19.9 average would lead me to believe it's not the 25 yard line.  

And back on topic........really like MVS.  He looks very smooth out there, like a young Jordy Nelson.  He seems to have that deceptive speed, like watching a deer run.  

BrainDed posted:

Trade Monty...

 

I mean, like, his trade value has to be sky high right now. Fringe roster guy, frequently injured, Sickle Cell Trait, Insubordinate, etc...blue chip return on that trade. 

 MVS looks like he has a high ceiling. EQ looks like he could be something. Add those two to Devonte next year and looks promising. Cobb???? Geronimo who is no slouch, Moore, and the Whitewater kid are extras. 

Imagine if we were able to mix a TE into our Offense. 

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Packdog posted:
BrainDed posted:

Trade Monty...

 

I mean, like, his trade value has to be sky high right now. Fringe roster guy, frequently injured, Sickle Cell Trait, Insubordinate, etc...blue chip return on that trade. 

Pack is loaded at WR. MVS looks like he has a high ceiling. EQ looks like he could be something. Add those two to Devonte next year and look out. Cobb???? Geronimo who is no slouch, Moore, and the Whitewater kid are extras. Nice problem to have. 

Imagine if we were able to mix a TE into our Offense. That would be lethal. 

I don't care if it's for a practice squad guy you had your eye on.   He cannot be on the team next Sunday.   His teammates are talking shit about him to the media, he is talking shit about his teammates and he pissed in the face of the coaches. 

MVS has had some moments.  For a 1st year WR in this offense, he's ahead of schedule but not a moment too soon for it.  We know he has long speed, it looks like he's a decent although developing route runner, and he's shown the ability to make the contested catch.  This is also a kid who took it upon himself to memorize the entire playbook and reproduce it by hand, from memory before TC started. 

But there is reason to temper the enthusiasm.  He is still green and as defenses have more tape and better prepare for him, he is going to have to develop his counter moves as well as progress with what he can already do, to win.  #3 and #4 WR's area a dime a dozen in the nfl.  Watch other games and you'll see at least 1 no-name WR per team make a few catches, even score TD's.  

This offense needs him to keep growing.

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