OVERVIEW

Aaron and his twin brother, Alvin, were El Paso kids that weren't highly rated, so staying around home made sense. It's worked out well for UTEP, as Alvin has led the team in tackles the past two years while Aaron amassed over 4,000 rushing yards during his career. Aaron led the Miners with 811 yards as a freshman, scoring four times, even though he missed three games due to a broken rib. Healthy throughout 2014, he earned second-team All-Conference USA honors with 1,321 yards (5.5 per) and 11 scores (also 30-293, three TDs receiving). The good luck didn't stay in his junior year, however, as he suffered a torn ligament in his left ankle in practice. Jones exploded in 2016 after that redshirt year, ranking fourth in the FBS with 1,773 rushing yards and scoring 17 times (28-233, three TDs receiving). He was a first-team All-Conference USA pick in his final year.

 

PLAYER OVERVIEW

Jones was recruited as both a running back and wide receiver out of high school and received a few FBS-level offers, but only hometown UTEP offered him and his twin brother, Alvin, making his decision easy. He saw immediate action as a true freshman and started six games, leading the team with 811 yards rushing and four scores. Jones started 12 games as a sophomore and posted a team-best 1,321 yards and 11 scores, also led the Miners with three touchdown grabs to earn Second Team All-CUSA honors. He started the first two games in 2015 before a season-ending injury forced him to redshirt. Jones returned in 2016 and started all 12 games, setting a school-record with 1,773 rushing yards and 17 touchdowns to earn First Team All-CUSA honors. He elected to skip his final season and enter the 2017 NFL Draft.

 

A three-year starter at UTEP, Jones thrived in the Miners' pro-style rush attack, making his living between the hashes and contributing as a receiver. His 147.8 rushing yards per game average in 2016 was third-best in the FBS and his 7.7 yards per carry average led all FBS backs with at least 150 carries. Jones can scoot with the play speed and coordinated lower body to string together moves and find open spaces. He doesn't have ideal run power or tempo between the tackles, leading to missed opportunities, but his quick-hitting vision and feast/famine run style are what made him so productive in college. Overall, Jones has clear flaws to his game, which might limit his NFL opportunities, but he has the athletic traits to eat away at defenses if given the chance.

STRENGTHS WEAKNESSES

STRENGTHS: Decisive runner who attacks the line of scrimmage. Presses the hole with timing and balance. Great feel for the cutback lane, showing the vision and quick feet to read his keys and escape trouble. Controlled movements with his hips and feet working in unison. Squeezes through openings with low pad level and burst. Gliding finishing speed at the second level to run away from pursuit angles - 24 carries of 20+ yards in 2016. Soft hands and natural receiving skills. Worked his tail off to return from his 2015 injury and stayed healthy in his final season. Two-year team captain. Extremely productive career and holds the UTEP record for career rushing yards (4,114) - also set school records with 17 100-yard and five 200-yard rushing performances.

 

WEAKNESSES: Slender for the position and lacks ideal body armor. Doesn't run with optimal power, limiting his yards after contact. Too easily grounded by single defenders. Often attacks before reading, lacking patience as an inside runner. Overcommits and misses developing holes> Needs to better set up his blocks and avoid running up the backs of his teammates. Limited in short-yardage. Liability in pass protection due to poor base strength and technique. Fumbled nine times over his career. Missed most of the 2015 season after surgery to repair torn ligaments in his left ankle (Sept. 2015) - also missed playing time as an underclassman due to shoulder and rib injuries. Off-field decision making will be scrutinized following his arrest for DWI (Feb. 2016).

 

--Dane Brugler (4/25/17)

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H5 you’d probably be able to comment on this as well with you having the all22 access but both Jones and Williams missed a few cut backs and could have had massive yards. Tough thing for rookies in their first major game action. Again just like the defense I like were these guys could take the team later in the year. 

Aaron Jones is a very natural fit for GB offense. He's a pure shotgun RB. It's not a total surprise he looks as good as he does. I think Williams is a better pure RB. But Jones is well ahead of the curve because he's doing exactly what he did in college. Well, maybe running behind 5 guards is new. It's going to be fun watching these kids develop. 

Whitehair is highly thought of by scouts and coaches....Kenny Clark abused him on Thursday.  Fun to watch. 

Clark showed great promise last year as a rookie, he's worked his butt off and has taken a jump to another level this year. Draft and develop with a player who wants to be his best. 

 

I'll say it cuz I believe my eyes - Aaron Jones is the best RB on the team.  I thought he was the best rookie in TC and can only guess that his pass pro is what kept him back.  he's quicker and shiftier than the others, it jumps right out at ya.

What will make him more dangerous is getting him involved more in the passing game.  He was very good at that in college and has the ability.  He and MM are still working him into the offense/playbook.  I've only been able to see highlights so far but it is very exciting to see a RB in this offense that finds daylight as quickly as he does.  Some of those runs, I couldn't even see the crease until he was already through it.  Can't wait to see how he does vs. MIN D.

At the very least, Jones has shown that once Montgomery is back, he doesn't need to handle the full workload.  One thing that has been pretty obvious since Montgomery has moved to RB is that he can get knocked out of games a little bit easier than some other starting RBs in the league.   A top backup is necessary and Jones looks more than capable so far.  

Jones and Monty.  Both are needed.

It seems pretty clear to me Monty is trying to "think like a RB" instead of just ripping off runs like he was last year.  I'm sure there is a bunch of technique he is trying to implement and he will need work but the guy is a baller.  As others have stated, Jones is used to the position.  The two of them in tandem will make the run game a constant contributor.   

fightphoe93 posted:

At the very least, Jones has shown that once Montgomery is back, he doesn't need to handle the full workload.  One thing that has been pretty obvious since Montgomery has moved to RB is that he can get knocked out of games a little bit easier than some other starting RBs in the league.   A top backup is necessary and Jones looks more than capable so far.  

I'm not sure he is the back up.  We'll see!

Maybe not the right thread, but I'd like to see Mays get carries over Williams.  Williams hasn't done anything with his opportunities.   

Obviously we are talking 3rd string here at this point, but if Monty isn't ready for MIN, lets see Mays as 2nd string.

Tdog posted:

I'll say it cuz I believe my eyes - Aaron Jones is the best RB on the team.  I thought he was the best rookie in TC ...

I agree, Tdog.
I try to keep in mind that although we have seen very little of Williams, even during the pre-season, the coaches see him every day, etc. etc., and I should trust their judgement. 
But he has done next to nothing when he has played, with largely the same blocking as Jones. The OL certainly haven't been road graders, but Jones is able to find enough of a hole to make some good runs.
I think there is a lesson in there somewhere.

He's getting as many touches in the last several weeks as 88 was getting before he injured himself out of the lineup.  33 doesn't need more touches.  They just need to keep his involvement more regular throughout the game, not feast or famine.  Keep pounding him and he'll be done by Dec. and we'll be talking about Mays/Montgomery.  Kareem Hunt is getting 20 touches a game and it'll be interesting to see if Reid continues with that through 16wks. 

What do you do with 88?  move him around more like they used to occasionally do with Cobb, but more carries. 

I just don't see a ton of similarity with Monty and B. Jackson.   At his absolute best, Jackson was an assignment sure good teammate type guy who was a decent receiver out out of the backfield and solid in pass pro when he stayed in to block which was often.   Monty has shown some skills that Jackson never had, I mean there is no way in Hades Brandon Jackson was ever going to be playing WR and yet Monty has played it before and probably can again. 

Jackson was definitely better in pass pro than Monty and maybe stayed healthier than Monty, but Monty is definitely more skilled as a receiver overall.  As a RB, at times Monty showed more promise than Jackson, but he does have trouble staying healthy which has stunted development.

Pack-Man posted:

Marijuana should be legalized, and I don't care if any players use it (how could I fault them for it? ), but I don't think he should be out driving a car while stoned. I do mind that. He can afford a ride.

And given he was busted for a DUI in college (2016) and given diversion, apparently getting high or stoned before driving is no big thing to him.

I'm a fan of ending prohibition. The violence and destruction that affects many for doing what amounts to be victimless crimes is unreal. If you like to read about this stuff check out "Chasing the Scream". 

Regarding Jones - pay for a driver. It's not all that difficult to avoid this trouble. Being tolerant to those who want to partake is one thing, but keep it private and off the public roads.

In this day and age of the media looking for that instant controversy, I find it extremely interesting it has taken almost 2 months for this to become public.
Wouldn't surprise me if the local reporters F with MM over that; when did he become aware, why he wasn't disciplined by the team, etc.

LOL, GBFFL!
I would be hard on him as a juror. Not because he smoked pot, but not having a valid license is being a poor citizen. There are responsibilities in life to the community one lives in. 
Speeding @ 24 over (79 in a 55) is just....stupid. Doing it without a license is... stupider.
I might give him a pass on being stoned. I'd be much more interested to know if he was actually impaired to the point he was having trouble controlling his car before I make a judgement.
Like I'm not already...  

ChilliJon posted:

Aaron Jones is worth a 2nd round pick today. He’s worth a 1st rounder if he’s used correctly. 

Hes not Kamara. But he’s next door with a better outdoor grill. 

Aaron Jones is the biggest mistake Mike ever made after Winston Moss. 

Just imagine what Sean McVeigh or Bill Bellicheat would be doing with him. Or Sean Payton.

ChilliJon posted:

Aaron Jones is worth a 2nd round pick today. He’s worth a 1st rounder if he’s used correctly. 

Hes not Kamara. But he’s next door with a better outdoor grill. 

Aaron Jones is the biggest mistake Mike ever made after Winston Moss. 

IMO Jones is definitely worth a first round pick. I think hes a stud rb. In our weak OL plus pass happy offense he still excels. In a run heavy offense with blockers, hed go ape shit.

Curious if Kamara and Jones switched teams, what the result would be

YATittle posted:
ChilliJon posted:

Aaron Jones is worth a 2nd round pick today. He’s worth a 1st rounder if he’s used correctly. 

Hes not Kamara. But he’s next door with a better outdoor grill. 

Aaron Jones is the biggest mistake Mike ever made after Winston Moss. 

Just imagine what Sean McVeigh or Bill Bellicheat would be doing with him. Or Sean Payton.

Or Taysom Hill, imagine the spooge on the monitors.

Jones bulked up over the off season. I forget the amount, but IIRC he gained like 7-8 pounds of muscle mass in hopes he'd absorb hits and avoid injury. 

He also carried the ball 23 times and had 27 touches. I cannot fathom McStubborn ever allowing that. Im not saying Jones could handle that over 16 games, but it's still refreshing to see a HC actually willing to RTFB. 

PackerHawk posted:

The other Aaron was clearly not expecting that great of a block. Hopefully Jones has earned his trust and he won't bail out like that in the future. 

Yep - when that play happened I thought the same thing - no need to spin out like he did.  #12 clearly wasn't expecting the block that he got from Jones. 

packerboi posted:

Jones bulked up over the off season. I forget the amount, but IIRC he gained like 7-8 pounds of muscle mass in hopes he'd absorb hits and avoid injury. 

He also carried the ball 23 times and had 27 touches. I cannot fathom McStubborn ever allowing that. Im not saying Jones could handle that over 16 games, but it's still refreshing to see a HC actually willing to RTFB. 

Yeah, when I looked up at the scoreboard in the 3rd quarter and saw that he already had 18 carries I said that was like 3 games with McVince! 

What kills me, absolutely slays me, is the fact the only Eagles player to get fined from our game with them was Barnett. Out of how many (6-7?) PF penalties, that's the only one.
But then fine a player for some crap like this.
NFLFU indeed.

PackLandVA posted:

I thought his wave was dumb, but glad he didn't get flagged.There's a difference between fun and being an A-hole.

I still think he first intended to get ready for a stiff arm then realized how much space he had. Got caught up in the moment. 

Hope the other Aaron peels off a few bills from his State Farms commercials or puts Jones in a commercial to cover the fine.  

The most underpaid position in football. 

Here’s the ball, go get your entire body bashed in for 3 hours. Shower up and do it again in a week. Brutal. 

5 years later you’re done. 

The rookie needs to get the playbook down pronto. We need a sacrificial here so our double-barreled is shooting straight for the last quarter.

At $695K, Green Bay Packers’ Running Back Aaron Jones Is The NFL’s Best Bargain

“You don’t find too many running backs that can go out and produce like that,” LaFleur said. “You don’t see too many running backs that you can put them on the outside that can run a slant and go. I mean he’s dynamic as a runner, as a receiver as a pass protector. I think he’s a complete back.”

At least they know Aaron Jones name. From the SI recap of the game: 

Feeling the pressure yet again, Rodgers rolled out of the pocket and heaved a pass toward the right sideline as he fell to the ground. There, Damien Williams somehow took the ball away from Chiefs linebacker Ben Niemann while tapping both feet inbounds.

Way to go SI!  

I think Aaron Jones epitomizes exactly what has been wrong with the Packers for years. They have lacked speed and quickness and for quite a few years size as well.

Other teams have had players like Jones, good in space, fast, quick, hard to get down because you can't catch them. Who has GB had since before Terdell Middleton broke down who has been like that? I cannot name one. 

They have had some good backs, Eddie Lee, A Green, Levens, Paul Ott Carruth and Harlan Huckleby. But none of them was that explosive, shifty guy. I think every team needs at least a couple guys like that and probably more on both sides of the ball. 

BrainDed posted:

We were all screaming for MM to put the ball in Jones hands last year.   If he had done so, he still might be coaching. 

How could MM have put the ball in Jones' hands last season when he was starting Montgomery?

Somehow MM looked at the 3 RBs on the 2018 roster and decided the always injured one who was really a WR was the best fit for his offense.

Gute had to ship Ty out to force MM's hand.

The level of play Jones is playing at right now, he is the best RB the Pack has had since Ahman Green was at his peak in 2003. 

I don't think Jones is quite as good as Green in terms of pure running ability, but his pass receiving skills make him a versatile weapon that frankly I'm not sure the Pack has really had ever.  Guys like Dorsey Levens and Edgar Bennett had great hands but weren't as fast as Jones and really weren't true down the field threats even though on rare occasion they might surprise someone and catch a 25 yarder.

I loved Eddie Lacy's brute strength and surprising quickness for a big back in 2013 and 2014.  But even during those 2 very good years for him, he wasn't a breakaway guy and he really wasn't a guy that could challenge downfield as a receiver.  Maybe as a pure runner during those peak seasons, he might have been every bit as good as Jones, but he was nowhere near the receiving threat that Jones is. 

Ahman Green and Ryan Grant are the names that pop into my head when thinking about backs that are in Jones class (or Jones in their class). Green and Grant ran faster at the combine than Jones. I remember Green being near world class speed in college. Jones looks plenty fast on the field though.

fightphoe93 posted:

The level of play Jones is playing at right now, he is the best RB the Pack has had since Ahman Green was at his peak in 2003. 

I don't think Jones is quite as good as Green in terms of pure running ability, but his pass receiving skills make him a versatile weapon that frankly I'm not sure the Pack has really had ever.  Guys like Dorsey Levens and Edgar Bennett had great hands but weren't as fast as Jones and really weren't true down the field threats even though on rare occasion they might surprise someone and catch a 25 yarder.

I loved Eddie Lacy's brute strength and surprising quickness for a big back in 2013 and 2014.  But even during those 2 very good years for him, he wasn't a breakaway guy and he really wasn't a guy that could challenge downfield as a receiver.  Maybe as a pure runner during those peak seasons, he might have been every bit as good as Jones, but he was nowhere near the receiving threat that Jones is. 

Uhm...let's not put him in the Ring of Honor quite yet.

Hornung was the best RB we ever had as a weapon. Threw for TD's ran for em..kicked FG"s and XP...and laid more dollies than Max could shake a stick at.

oldschool posted:
fightphoe93 posted:
 

Hornung was the best RB we ever had as a weapon. Threw for TD's ran for em..kicked FG"s and XP...and laid more dollies than Max could shake a stick at.

And missed a whole year that may well have cost Vince and the Packers another championship. 

2nd time Aaron Jones has received O player of the week this year. Not bad after only 8 weeks. And I get the sense MLF is just scratching the surface of how he's going to use Jones the rest of the year. And that includes MLF putting Williams and Jones in the backfield together. Good luck with that. 

ChilliJon posted:

2nd time Aaron Jones has received O player of the week this year. Not bad after only 8 weeks. And I get the sense MLF is just scratching the surface of how he's going to use Jones the rest of the year. And that includes MLF putting Williams and Jones in the backfield together. Good luck with that. 

Love that backfield with BOTH of them considering they're both adequate at least on blitz pickup, threats to run or receive.

oldschool posted:
fightphoe93 posted:

The level of play Jones is playing at right now, he is the best RB the Pack has had since Ahman Green was at his peak in 2003. 

 

Uhm...let's not put him in the Ring of Honor quite yet.

.

Considering no Packer RB has been added to the Packers HOF since Ahman, looks like a Straw Man at work here. 

Care to name the RB's we've had since Green that were better than Jones? 

Ryan Grant? Had a few really good years. Never was a dynamic player. 4.3 career YPC, slightly abover average. 29 TD's in 5 seasons.  

Eddie Lacy? Couple of good years. Crowd favorite until the buffets did him in. 4.2 career YPC. 30 TD's in his 4 years in GB. 

Jones' YPC is down this year but still 5.0 for his career. When he's split out it's like having another WR on the field. 24 TD's in 2 1/2 seasons and 11 in 8 games this year. 

No one else is worth mentioning. Who you taking out of those 3 today?

DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

ammo posted:
DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

It's also what MM tried to with Cobb quite often. The problem was that he wasn't big enough to carry the ball enough to force defenses to play an extra DB consistently. 

Montgomery was a great RB against the Bears for 4 games in 2016 and 2017. Against everyone else he was average. 

In the 4 games against the Bears in 2016-2017, he had 36 carries for 304 yards and 3 TDs. 8.4 yards per carry. He had a 16 carry, 162 yard game and another 9 carry, 60 yard game. 

In the other 45 games of his career, he's had 167 carries for 668 yards and 4 TDs. That's 4.0 yards per carry and a TD every 67 carries. 

Those two games in 2016 with the big yardage totals fooled MM and the staff into thinking he could be a guy that could be a real RB. 

MichiganPacker2 posted:
ammo posted:
DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

It's also what MM tried to with Cobb quite often. The problem was that he wasn't big enough to carry the ball enough to force defenses to play an extra DB consistently. 

Montgomery was a great RB against the Bears for 4 games in 2016 and 2017. Against everyone else he was average. 

In the 4 games against the Bears in 2016-2017, he had 36 carries for 304 yards and 3 TDs. 8.4 yards per carry. He had a 16 carry, 162 yard game and another 9 carry, 60 yard game. 

In the other 45 games of his career, he's had 167 carries for 668 yards and 4 TDs. That's 4.0 yards per carry and a TD every 67 carries. 

Those two games in 2016 with the big yardage totals fooled MM and the staff into thinking he could be a guy that could be a real RB. 

Yeah, he was blind to what he COULD do with Jones, just like he was blind to the amazing possibilities of Taysom Hill and cut him and Sean Peyton in NO has had a field day using this exceptional athlete on special teams, gadget plays, etc.

ammo posted:
DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

Some of the patterns that Jones has run require a lot more skill than a typical RB catching a swing pass out of the backfield. Other than one embarrassing helmet doink, he is probably the best receiving RB the Packers have had in my lifetime of watching games (since 1975). 

Even Ahman Green, who was a great threat out of the backfield on check downs and screens, looked like a RB who would stop to catch the ball on a pass and then run. On the play where he stepped out of bounds at the 10, Jones ran a route where he cut inside to force the LB to turn his hips that way and then blew right past him on the outside. He looked more like Greg Jennings or Davante Adams running a route than a typical RB.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1188621756065615873

The TD he caught earlier in the year where he was facing the other direction and turned his body running full speed to catch the pass is also something you don't see many RBs do. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1186472349102727170

Fedya posted:

To be fair, he said the ring of honor, not the Packers' Hall of Fame.

Yeah, I was trying to back his strawman argument down a little bit. Doing a favor to someone that doesn't deserve one. At least Ahman Green and Packer HOF work within a strawman argument. Ahman Green and Ring of Honor creates a double strawman. 

ammo posted:
DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

That's not what happened from what I recall. RB depth was shredded, so they put Monty there. He performed quite well initially and MM liked what he brought (receiving skills) to the position, so he stuck with him. Then the league figured him out, in the MM scheme.

Yeah, I was trying to back his strawman argument down a little bit

And I was going to crack a joke that the PHOF's standards are so low they'll even enshrine someone like Bill Schroeder.  But I looked it up and they haven't inducted him yet.

ammo posted:
DH13 posted:

MLF is doing with Jones what MM tried to do with Montgomery.

No, it is not.  Montgomery was a WR who wanted to play RB and MM did not have the balls to say no.   Jones is a RB that happens to be very very good at swinging out of the backfield and catching passes. 

Sure it was.  Doesn't matter what 88 and 33 (interesting #s) skill sets were/are.  MM wanted to use 88 as an "X" factor he could use all over the formation.  Which he did try.  Problem is 88 never solidified himself as a consistent running threat which is half of the whole "dual threat" proposition for such a player.  Jones, above showing dual threat skills, has the added dimension/speed of being able to go the distance on any given play.  I think that is what terrifies defenses the most.  

88 was forced into a RB position when Lacy and all others went out.  Before that, MM was using Cobb out of the backfield to force mismatches, but from my recollection, Cobb never posed much of a threat as a runner so teams didn't adjust as MM would have liked.  88 was not a bad runner and seemed to have potential but the bulk he eventually added seemed to slow him down a bit.  I always though 88 never reached his potential under MM and might have been more successful under a different coach, but it seems he hasn't done anything post-Packer so maybe the Packers got all he had out of him.

GratefulPack posted:

88 was forced into a RB position when Lacy and all others went out.  Before that, MM was using Cobb out of the backfield to force mismatches, but from my recollection, Cobb never posed much of a threat as a runner so teams didn't adjust as MM would have liked.  88 was not a bad runner and seemed to have potential but the bulk he eventually added seemed to slow him down a bit.  I always though 88 never reached his potential under MM and might have been more successful under a different coach, but it seems he hasn't done anything post-Packer so maybe the Packers got all he had out of him.

MM prioritized RB blitz pickup ability above anything else. That's why we put John Kuhn as a single back on the field on passing downs for years. We all loved him, but he was no threat to the defense to run or catch a ball out of the backfield -  unless he was left wide open. Sometimes if worked beautifully (like when he blocked Peppers to allow Rodgers to throw the TD pass to Cobb against the Bears to get into the playoffs a few years ago). Most of the time, it made them entirely predictable and set up a situation where the defense could scheme to stop designed plays and then Rodgers reverted to sandlot football and bailed them out. Having a good blocking RB on the field helped extend those plays, but it was all freelance. 

Exactly....when you get to play 11 on 10, that really gives the defense quite an advantage.

When we talk "stale" that's the shit we're talking about. It's incredibly short sighted & stupid to not use all your personnel.

It's almost like everyone forgets MM had Jones and couldn't figure out how to use him adequately. Jones has more catches after 8 games in 2019 than he had in 2 years with MM. How MM tried to use Montgomery in comparison to Jones is totally irrelevant. He never really figured out how to use either. 

Jones was Ted's last great pick in round 5 2017. Thanks Ted. Same draft that landed Kevin King, Jamaal Williams and Montravius Adams. Not a bad walk off....

ChilliJon posted:

It's almost like everyone forgets MM had Jones and couldn't figure out how to use him adequately. Jones has more catches after 8 games in 2019 than he had in 2 years with MM. How MM tried to use Montgomery in comparison to Jones is totally irrelevant. 

Jones was Ted's last great pick in round 5 2017. Thanks Ted. 

Too much wild ass assumption going on around here. You remind me of Custer...how did that work out? 

MiLF has wisely used Jones as a desperation move with Adams going down...but we don't know if he would have done this without being pushed by circumstance.

It could just be he lucked out...probable even. He didn't start the season with Jones used like this...sooo let's stop projecting genius onto the kid just yet.

Everything has broken MiLF's way so far...and he's having a musical love fest with the players and this supposedly new millennial football culture he has brought with him.

But the question remains....does he have the gravitas to hold it together when things go bad? Not at all sure of that yet. 

 

So you're saying he was forced into devising a game plan that made Jones even more explosive than he already was in the run game?  Or even better, he didn't actually devise the scheme it just showed up on his doorstep and he was obligated to use it? 

Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

We have a new coach who doesn't have his best WR on the field so instead of going McVince he actually created a fantastic plan that exploited KC's weakness all game long. 

Jesus fuck.

Henry posted:

So you're saying he was forced into devising a game plan that made Jones even more explosive than he already was in the run game?  Or even better, he didn't actually devise the scheme it just showed up on his doorstep and he was obligated to use it? 

Yeah, that sounds reasonable.

We have a new coach who doesn't have his best WR on the field so instead of going McVince he actually created a fantastic plan that exploited KC's weakness all game long. 

Jesus fuck.

Ok...so your argument is one game against KC makes MiLF an unimpeachable genius.

And this from the guy railing about peeps liking Ty Summers all preseason.

Irony much? Asking for friends..Sittin Bull and Hunter Biden

LOL, nice deflection.  You basically say Mayo had the game plan "forced" on him yet he actually did something we haven't seen in years.  Even more laughable is your continued use of gravitas.  If Sherman's Pet Boy keeps winning who gives a fuck about gravitas. 

Keep your pathetic shit on track and quit lying about your heritage you cracker nutball.

oldschool posted:

Ok...so your argument is one game against KC makes MiLF an unimpeachable genius.

And this from the guy railing about peeps liking Ty Summers all preseason.

Irony much? Asking for friends..Sittin Bull and Hunter Biden

 You don't deserve a last warning, but this will serve as your notice. Cut the shit. 

Henry posted:

LOL, nice deflection.  You basically say Mayo had the game plan "forced" on him yet he actually did something we haven't seen in years.  Even more laughable is your continued use of gravitas.  If Sherman's Pet Boy keeps winning who gives a fuck about gravitas. 

Keep your pathetic shit on track and quit lying about your heritage you cracker nutball.

So gravitas gets you...cuz u know I'm right. 

I can prove my heritage..and I'm on the tribal voting rolls...racist much?

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