He makes too many AJ Hawk type plays. Most tackles seem to be 6-7 yards downfield. He does make some TFLs and he has the heart of a warrior in him. All in all, I think Gute will deal him away come contract time. As I said earlier, our next draft and FA period should be very interesting. ILB, DL, OL, DB, WR, RB,QB?Any guesses? We cannot keep kicking the O Line can down the road. Jenkins was a solid add, but we need help on the right side of the line. 

As others have said, we can do worse than a guy like Martinez.  That said, I really hope they don't throw a lot of money at him as he's not a difference maker.  If I want money spent, I want it on a better D-Lineman to go along with Clark and Lowry. 

It's funny, going into 2018, many (including myself) thought with Clark, Daniels, and Wilkerson, with Lowry as a top backup, the D-Line would be a strength.  It wasn't.  Here we are a year and a half later, and I think the D-Line is at best average as Daniels and Wilkerson are long gone from GB and their best days were behind them anyways.  They really could use another top player there if Gary isn't the answer.  He certainly hasn't been yet.

fightphoe93 posted:

 ...hope they don't throw a lot of money at him as he's not a difference maker.

Feel the same.  

Pettine either thinks  Blake is really good or doesn't trust other players to fill in for him.....Martinez played 73 snaps yesterday (100%). You can't tell me there wasn't a situation where playing I. Campbell(42 snaps)  or Josh Jackson( 0 snaps) or giving Blake a rest wasn't warranted.  Apparently Oren Burks isn't and option.

Oren Burks got 4 snaps on defense(16 on ST).  Is he approaching bust territory ? 

Burks got 4 damn snaps?  Wow... 

I think Martinez is an above average football player.  He'll never be elite but I think he's good enough.  Not exactly a ringing endorsement so I get that...  One thing I do know is that his replacement isn't on the roster at the present time. 

It's probably about time GB considers taking a MLB high in the draft or bring in a stud FA to shore up the middle of the field.  We've struggled there for far too long IMO. 

Martinez has his limitations for sure but his moving Fackrel over the left guard before the snap on the last play was a brilliant move. Without that move CMC walks into the endzone. And thh fact the move was late in the count also worked in the Packers favor because CMC had already commited. Great call by Martinez. And the Vikings fans crying about the roughing the passer call can pound sand. After last years gift they cant ever cry about anything again. 

Packdog posted:
fightphoe93 posted:

 ...hope they don't throw a lot of money at him as he's not a difference maker.

Feel the same.  

Pettine either thinks  Blake is really good or doesn't trust other players to fill in for him.....Martinez played 73 snaps yesterday (100%). You can't tell me there wasn't a situation where playing I. Campbell(42 snaps)  orJosh Jackson( 0 snaps) or giving Blake a rest wasn't warranted.  Apparently Oren Burks isn't and option.

Oren Burks got 4 snaps on defense(16 on ST).  Is he approaching bust territory ? 

You must really hate Martinez if you'd prefer to replace him with a player that was inactive for the game.   

I think he's a better "coach" on the field than he is an actual football player. And that's why he's there because Pettine can trust him to make the calls correctly.

Spermhead fans can completely FO with anything "ref" related -- let's talk about the so called "OPI" by Lazard or the blatant Intentional Grounding from Kyle Allen that wasn't called like TWICE. Besides, that roughing play which was definitely in the Packers favor, the Pack didn't score that drive. So Fk Off!

Bottom Line, don't put the game in the hands of the officials. Play better!

For the money they are paying the two OLB (Smiths) I doubt they will pay big bucks to Martinez.  Kenny Clark is much more likely to earn that designation in in terms of an extension. 

With the emergence of Elgin Jenkins itโ€™s likely they will release Lane Taylor and free up about 4.5MM.  If they cut Jimmy Graham loose that adds another 8MM to spend.  Add those two up that 12.5MM could be used in free agency. 

Boris posted:

I think he's a better "coach" on the field than he is an actual football player. And that's why he's there because Pettine can trust him to make the calls correctly.

Spermhead fans can completely FO with anything "ref" related -- let's talk about the so called "OPI" by Lazard or the blatant Intentional Grounding from Kyle Allen that wasn't called like TWICE. Besides, that roughing play which was definitely in the Packers favor, the Pack didn't score that drive. So Fk Off!

Bottom Line, don't put the game in the hands of the officials. Play better!

Lazard did push off. It wasnโ€™t flagrant but he created separation with the push. I donโ€™t know what to think about Blake. We clearly need to be better in the middle. Just not sure how he would do if he had a decent ILB playing next to him. Burks looks like the guy who was projected to go in the 6th. He was a huge reach and they obviously have no confidence in him.

i wouldnโ€™t pay big money for Martinez.

Martinez is good at getting calls in and setting the defense, although we do seem to have mixups in the back end (like yesterday on a long completion when King was playing zone and everybody else man to man)

He's an unsung hero on the last play of he game, he saw that Fackrell was on the wrong side of Clark and moved him over prior to snap.  Fackrell hadn't even arrived at the right spot when the snap went off---he actually was in the gap between the center and guard, still standing up,  and was able to slip into the backfield and get a piece of CMC.  That slowed CMC and allowed Peston Smith to  grab him from behind.

slowmo posted:

Martinez is good at getting calls in and setting the defense, although we do seem to have mixups in the back end (like yesterday on a long completion when King was playing zone and everybody else man to man)

He's an unsung hero on the last play of he game, he saw that Fackrell was on the wrong side of Clark and moved him over prior to snap.  Fackrell hadn't even arrived at the right spot when the snap went off---he actually was in the gap between the center and guard, still standing up,  and was able to slip into the backfield and get a piece of CMC.  That slowed CMC and allowed Peston Smith to  grab him from behind.

Fackrell, while not having last year's sack numbers, is having a productive season, so far. He is disruptive in the backfield and is in on a lot of QB pressures with the Smiths. He is a sure tackler, too. He needs some coaching to tune his skill set, but overall, I like his performance on the field alongside the Smiths.

Packdog posted:
fightphoe93 posted:

 ...hope they don't throw a lot of money at him as he's not a difference maker.

Feel the same.  

Pettine either thinks  Blake is really good or doesn't trust other players to fill in for him.....Martinez played 73 snaps yesterday (100%). You can't tell me there wasn't a situation where playing I. Campbell(42 snaps)  or Josh Jackson( 0 snaps) or giving Blake a rest wasn't warranted.  Apparently Oren Burks isn't and option.

Oren Burks got 4 snaps on defense(16 on ST).  Is he approaching bust territory ? 

Jackson wasn't even active.

mrtundra posted:
slowmo posted:

Martinez is good at getting calls in and setting the defense, although we do seem to have mixups in the back end (like yesterday on a long completion when King was playing zone and everybody else man to man)

He's an unsung hero on the last play of he game, he saw that Fackrell was on the wrong side of Clark and moved him over prior to snap.  Fackrell hadn't even arrived at the right spot when the snap went off---he actually was in the gap between the center and guard, still standing up,  and was able to slip into the backfield and get a piece of CMC.  That slowed CMC and allowed Peston Smith to  grab him from behind.

Fackrell, while not having last year's sack numbers, is having a productive season, so far. He is disruptive in the backfield and is in on a lot of QB pressures with the Smiths. He is a sure tackler, too. He needs some coaching to tune his skill set, but overall, I like his performance on the field alongside the Smiths.

Don't disagree with this.  I think he's made the most out of his snaps.  He's not exactly cut out for ILB but it sure wouldn't hurt to have him help the rotation some. 

 

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AtTheMurph posted:
Packdog posted:
fightphoe93 posted:

 ...hope they don't throw a lot of money at him as he's not a difference maker.

Feel the same.  

Pettine either thinks  Blake is really good or doesn't trust other players to fill in for him.....Martinez played 73 snaps yesterday (100%). You can't tell me there wasn't a situation where playing I. Campbell(42 snaps)  or Josh Jackson( 0 snaps) or giving Blake a rest wasn't warranted.  Apparently Oren Burks isn't and option.

Oren Burks got 4 snaps on defense(16 on ST).  Is he approaching bust territory ? 

Jackson wasn't even active.

Yeah heard that a few days back- Jackson being a bust is another conversation. 

Point remains, while we see Blake chasing in coverage, Pettine still keeps him in there for the majority of the snaps(100% against Carolina) . Nobody else ? Pettine showing lack of creativity ? Or does Pettine over-value him?

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Packdog posted:
AtTheMurph posted:
Packdog posted:
fightphoe93 posted:

 ...hope they don't throw a lot of money at him as he's not a difference maker.

Feel the same.  

Pettine either thinks  Blake is really good or doesn't trust other players to fill in for him.....Martinez played 73 snaps yesterday (100%). You can't tell me there wasn't a situation where playing I. Campbell(42 snaps)  or Josh Jackson( 0 snaps) or giving Blake a rest wasn't warranted.  Apparently Oren Burks isn't and option.

Oren Burks got 4 snaps on defense(16 on ST).  Is he approaching bust territory ? 

Jackson wasn't even active.

Yeah heard that a few days back- Jackson being a bust is another conversation. 

Point remains, while we see Blake chasing in coverage, Pettine still keeps him in there for the majority of the snaps(100% against Carolina) . Nobody else ? Pettine showing lack of creativity ? Or does Pettine over-value him?

Well look at the depth chart at ILB. Who else is he going to play at that position? 

Burks isn't there. 93 can run even less than Martinez. They don't have a ton of options so you play what you got.