Boris posted:

Nick Perry's skillset? Fine by me....hopefully not Perry's โค๏ธ

Nick Perry may have had heart, but he was made of glass.  Seemed like almost every year he was dealing with something that limited him.  Played many games with just 1 free hand because his other hand was wrapped up due to an injury.  There's just no way you can live up to your potential with that stuff happening all the time.  That said, even when he was completely healthy, he was just pretty good, never really great. 

fightphoe93 posted:
Boris posted:

Nick Perry's skillset? Fine by me....hopefully not Perry's โค๏ธ

Nick Perry may have had heart, {snip}

No he really didn't....late for meetings & MM never did a thing about it. He was simply in it for the money as evidenced he's no longer in the league at the ripe old age of 29.

You're right about him being made of glass though. He would never play through an owie.

bdplant posted:

I dunno, I guess I donโ€™t get how you can call the leagueโ€™s leading tackler โ€œaverage at bestโ€.  He has to be doing something right. Or is the rest of the team that bad at tackling?

I think that we as fans see lots of other inside backers excell at pass coverage and  stopping the run. Yet most of them were high draft picks. This team has not felt that the position requires a high draft pick or expensive free agent. Martinez is most often in the right spot to make a tackle when others on the team are not. He is a film study junkie. And he has been relatively healthy. As they say โ€œthe best ability is availabilityโ€. Pettine trusts Martinez to make sure that the defense knows the calls and he does that. My opinion is that until this team decides to invest in a premium MLB, we wonโ€™t get one. Besides, he really is better than average, so he is what he is and wishing wonโ€™t change a thing. Maybe down the road we pick up his replacement or somebody to compliment his skills.

bdplant posted:

I dunno, I guess I donโ€™t get how you can call the leagueโ€™s leading tackler โ€œaverage at bestโ€.  He has to be doing something right. Or is the rest of the team that bad at tackling?

What's he's doing right is staying healthy/available and being the best option at his position. The defense is designed to funnel plays towards him. He's going to have way more chances to make tackles than anyone else on the field. Just needs to make more of them within 5 yards of the LOS. 

There's more good than bad with Martinez.

We all want "dynamic" & he is never going to be that guy. However, if Gute puts star pieces around him, you can win with a guy like Martinez. 

He made the call to move Fackrell & they stopped McCaffrey. I think most of you are discounting the fact he was responsible for the final play being a successful stop.

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This whole conversation is eerily reminiscent of the years prior to Hawk extensions.   โ€œCoaches know betterโ€ and โ€œavailabilityโ€ and โ€œalways in the right spotโ€ and โ€œcoach on the fieldโ€.....

He fucking sucks, we all see it, stop making excuses.   His products easily replaced and if they pay him we will suffer from that mistake for the length of the deal. 

i am thinking that the mentality of ilb being a non-premium position is changing, look at the last couple years, roquan smith, devin white, devin bush, there is a premium on getting the good ones. if martinez wants to be paid like luke k in carolina, then its bye bye.  we will have to figure something out, although from what i hear the 2020 draft should have lots of wr and qb at the top, which we also desperately need, so...

Henry posted:

ILB went the way of RB a few years back.  They go hand in hand.  Gonzo has to draft ILB simply because there is NO ONE besides Martinez.  Maybe Burks shows up at some point but I'm not holding my breath. 

There's a lot of pressure on Martinez, that's for sure.  Right now, there's not much we can do but hope Burks comes around or someone else gets slotted in to spell Martinez.

bdplant posted:

AJ Hawk - tackles:

2006: 18th in the league
2007: 28th
2008: 66th
2009: 58th
2010:  22nd
2011:  72nd
2012:  21st
2013:  23rd
2014:  57th
 
Downright average. 
 
Never once was Hawk anywhere near the leagueโ€™s leading tackler.  

But yeah, the 2019 leagueโ€™s leading tackler sucks. 

Thx for the Saturday morning laugh. 

Again....he's not a dynamic playmaker but there are more +++ than - - -

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Henry posted:
BrainDed posted:

 

He fucking sucks, we all see it, stop making excuses.   His products easily replaced and if they pay him we will suffer from that mistake for the length of the deal. 

This is pretty laughable.  He does not suck, not even close.  He can't cover, yes.  He "fucking sucks"?  Not even close.

Fair.  I had a few cocktails.    Heโ€™s fucking not worth what he will get paid.    

YATittle posted:

Those comments from Rivers were pretty damning.

Yup. Still have reservations about Pettineโ€™s ability to adjust. Forgot where I read it, but recall an article saying that the genius of the Jets was all Rex...and that Pettine just doesnโ€™t have the creative ability that Ryan did. We shall see.  

Martinez definitely does not suck, but heโ€™s not the guy you want out there for every snap. Canโ€™t tell me that a dollar or heavy hybrid call wouldnโ€™t be warranted in certain passing situations....especially when the middle is getting assaulted. 

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YATittle posted:

Those comments from Rivers were pretty damning.

Really.....

Do you think Payton, Belichick, Shanahan or Harbaugh are going to be "studying the Charger tape" if they play the Packers?

Think, man.....we all know the Packers played like crap -- why would Pettine show something that isn't on tape in a basically meaningless game vs. an AFC opponent?? Bigger fish to fry...think big picture.

BrainDed posted:
Henry posted:
BrainDed posted:

 

He fucking sucks, we all see it, stop making excuses.   His products easily replaced and if they pay him we will suffer from that mistake for the length of the deal. 

This is pretty laughable.  He does not suck, not even close.  He can't cover, yes.  He "fucking sucks"?  Not even close.

Fair.  I had a few cocktails.    Heโ€™s fucking not worth what he will get paid.    

Drinking and posting.  Who would do that? 

I agree with the take you pay him 4 or 5 mil a year

Gary is not just a run stuffer and heโ€™s not a DT. Just because he hasnโ€™t shown elite pass rushing ability after 10 games doesnโ€™t mean he canโ€™t do it or that he wonโ€™t do it. I feel like we have this same freak out every year with rookies that donโ€™t dominate immediately, some guys take time to develop. Some take 3 games, some take 3 years. Gary has elite athletic ability, heโ€™s got strong mentorship, a proven coach, and so far has shown a great attitude. I know itโ€™s hard, but patience is needed for the kid. 

Grave Digger posted:

Gary is not just a run stuffer and heโ€™s not a DT. Just because he hasnโ€™t shown elite pass rushing ability after 10 games doesnโ€™t mean he canโ€™t do it or that he wonโ€™t do it. I feel like we have this same freak out every year with rookies that donโ€™t dominate immediately, some guys take time to develop. Some take 3 games, some take 3 years. Gary has elite athletic ability, heโ€™s got strong mentorship, a proven coach, and so far has shown a great attitude. I know itโ€™s hard, but patience is needed for the kid. 

Absolutely.  If Gary isn't producing two or three years down the road, start talking (Josh Jackson) bust.  Gary deserves time to mature within the system and learn the game at this level.  It's amazing that this needs to be pointed out to people. 

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BrainDed posted:
Henry posted:
BrainDed posted:

 

He fucking sucks, we all see it, stop making excuses.   His products easily replaced and if they pay him we will suffer from that mistake for the length of the deal. 

This is pretty laughable.  He does not suck, not even close.  He can't cover, yes.  He "fucking sucks"?  Not even close.

Fair.  I had a few cocktails.      

You must post a lot after having a few cocktails.   It all makes sense now.