First off, Thanks Murph.
Second, at the end of the year MLF needs to, and I think he will, hand him his walking papers. Hopefully the Murph won't be a stubborn dick this time.
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Pettine is a concern as well...just saying
Not a fan of Mengina after 9 games. In most weeks there is at least one major break down. Best scenario, ST is average. There is little threat our KOR/PR teams will break a big one.
The blocked punt yesterday was pretty much the dagger for the Chargers.
Most teams kick off through the EZ to negate any possibility of a big play and concede starting the drive at the 25. Teams facing the Packers try to land the ball inside the 5. That is a huge indictment on our ST coach.
He needs a nickname too. Slowdum, Zooked... He needs to carry the tradition.
Menstruation? He has us bleeding all the time?
Mengina?
The only things that have kept the special teams from being a complete and utter disaster are Crosby and Scott. It's actually kind of amazing the Pack is 7-2 with special teams coverage and returns units as poor as they are. Basically, Crosby and Scott have saved that unit from being completely awful, but they're still pretty awful despite the strong performance of both those guys.
Yeah, it's on Murph for getting cheap and not letting them hire the wizard that went to New Orleans. Need all that money for the sledding hill.... Jerk
Too soon still.
YooperPackfan posted:Pettine is a concern as well...just saying
You would be wrong.
Blocked punt and Tony Brown ST penalty accounted for eleven points in a game they lost by fifteen. Might be a little premature to call for his firing, but there sure does need to be quite a bit of improvement.
So far, in every game the 2019 Packers have played.....their Special Teams have been the worst on the field.
Uncle Fester not getting it done.
Blair Kiel posted:Too soon still.
Curious how hard it is to do Mengele jokes.
Packdog posted:So far, in every game the 2019 Packers have played.....their Special Teams have been the worst on the field.
Uncle Fester not getting it done.
Like that nickname.
There's like 3 STs coaches in the NFL who are worth a shit it seems. I wonder how much the Packers are regretting not meeting Darren Rizzi's salary demands? NO ST's seems to be doing fine this year.
YATittle posted:Packdog posted:So far, in every game the 2019 Packers have played.....their Special Teams have been the worst on the field.
Uncle Fester not getting it done.
Like that nickname.
Wrong Fester. Oline coach
Packers have returned 6 punts this season for ... -8 yards. Longest return of the year... 1 yard.
If we just caught the ball and fell forward for 1 yard we would be 16 times better than we have been. LOL.
We are averaging 18.8 yards per kick return. Long of 36 was yesterday by Smith.
Shouldn't have let Micah Hyde go. Racist bastard should be housing punts for us right now.
STs haven’t been good, but I think 9 games into a guy’s first season is too soon to fire a guy. I think LaFleur would be making a mistake in doing so.
Stenavich looks more like "Gru" from Despicable Me
Menniga looks more Uncle Fester...ish.
Whatever....either way both very distinguished looking men 
PackLandVA posted:STs haven’t been good, but I think 9 games into a guy’s first season is too soon to fire a guy. I think LaFleur would be making a mistake in doing so.
I'm not seeing anyone calling for his firing in mid season, but after 16 games, plus (hopefully) some playoff games as well, MLF should have a good sense of what Mennenga is capable, or not capable of. It's an adequate sample size.
Grave Digger posted:I wonder how much the Packers are regretting not meeting Darren Rizzi's salary demands? NO ST's seems to be doing fine this year.
Yup, has been a topic of discussion in the game threads and post game threads the last few weeks. Thanks Murph 
My guess is that MLF will not be making any coaching decisions until the end of the year. And then likely will be heavily influenced by Murphy once again. Mennenga is ours to cherish for some time to come. This is where you'd like to see the GM have some say about it.
Packdog posted:Stenavich looks more like "Gru" from Despicable Me
Menniga looks more Uncle Fester...ish.
Whatever....either way both very distinguished looking men
Agreed, stick a light bulb in his mouth and Mennenga=Fester
It would be nice if one of the players on special teams would actually block someone. I think they know how to block it's just that they DON'T block.
It's absolutely amazing opposing payers just run right past them and the Packers don't even touch them most times.
And on returns the returners are so intent on running to the side the play is called for that they miss any hole that might accidentally occur because they need to run to the same place that the cover team knows they will run to.
I am not sure that the problem is coaching. I think it's the fact that the Packers don't use many starters of special teams for fear of them getting hurt. I watched NE last night and their STs are full of starters. I cannot name one Packers starter who plays STs for GB other than a lineman on FG team.
YooperPackfan posted:Pettine is a concern as well...just saying
You have NFI what you're talking about....and this thread is about the ST's coach.
Unless Meningitis turns it around vs. Carolina & continues improving, he has to go. It's literally shocking to me as to how teams just ignore the 33% of the game that's Special Teams. Makes zero sense
Gute, (likely with input from the coaches), deserves some blame as well for keeping Shepherd over Trevor Davis.
YooperPackfan posted:Pettine is a concern as well...just saying
While I think Pettine has earned more time and leeway as he’s done some good things, there are major concerns with this defense. Giving up a bazillion yards and a handful of explosive plays weekly will result in a very quick playoff exit. That just won’t work against good teams.
This thread is about the Special Teams coach.
If you'd like to comment about Pettine, surf over to the Angry Bald Man thread please.
This is the first KO return from last week. Chargers intentionally land it around the 5. Look at this beautiful scheme by Uncle Fester. 4 blockers on the side of the field that the ball is returned on vs 5 defenders. 6 blockers vs 4 defenders on the non play side.
I don't claim to be a special teams guru, but I don't think this one has a high success probability.
Screen capture.
Gif of it playing out.
https://i.imgur.com/RqCWyw6.gifv
I see Williams there on the 20 looking at two guys and going eenie, meenie, miney, mo.
Looks like they had a middle return called but failed to adjust. Guy at 2nd level of left side immediately sprints to the middle and takes himself out of the play.
Again, I don't know shit, but you would think he would adjust or the returner would try to take the ball to the middle then.
I don't know what's supposed to be happening, but it looks ugly.
BrainDed posted:Looks like they had a middle return called but failed to adjust. Guy at 2nd level of left side immediately sprints to the middle and takes himself out of the play.
Again, I don't know shit, but you would think he would adjust or the returner would try to take the ball to the middle then.
I don't know what's supposed to be happening, but it looks ugly.
Yup
After doing a bit of research, but to my untrained eye, there seems to be two things going on. 1. The blockers engage so early that tacklers slide off and are free to go to the ball. KOs have to be timed so that the runner hits the blocking line just as or after blocks are made, or in this case, the blockers should be hitting guys around the 20. The GB blockers were starting to engage between the 25-30 but the returner is still a long way from there. You can't wipe a guy out by going low, so tacklers just slide off and have an easy run to the returner. 2. There's no line set up. No gap discipline, no recognition of what they need to do. It's like they were told "just find a guy to hit." Ugly, and it's been ugly all year. Ugly coaching.
He needs to be replaced....like yesterday.
Packers finish 26th in Gosselin's ST Rankings
Highlights: Improved from 32nd in 2018 to 26th, Crosby in the top 5 in FG % and we were one of the least penalized units, so there's that. Not to beat a dead horse, but DARREN RIZZI'S ST UNIT FINISHED 1ST IN THE LEAGUE BUT APPARENTLY WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR HIM! Don't know if that was a LaFleur issue or a Murphy issue, but that was a complete fucking failure of a non-move.