I don't think they're going full rebuild. They have a respectable (so far) QB replacement and McCaffery. I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in an offensive minded coach to develop kid QB and tap McCaffery some more.
I don't know if they have cap issues but I think they're probably looking at it like the Packers did last year. Soft rebuild.
Is Kuechly really worth anything near that anymore? I haven't watched much of him this year but I don't recall him really standing out vs GB.
Probably should've put this post here.
So here's a thought. If you've got nothing to lose why not Gary? A 270 pound guy with crazy athleticism. Supposedly at Michigan he was drawing all the attention so guys like Bush could crash in. What about Gary over the top of Kenny Clark? He has more than enough speed for coverage. So now he's just got to learn it. Even if it's temporary it sure can't hurt his development IMO. I'm guessing he's got a lot to learn in pass coverage but this is a what do you have to lose scenario.
Even if he isn't awesome in coverage I bet offenses keep a man in to account for him. One less pass option.
I like that idea Henry.
I'm sure they want him to learn the position he was drafted for first before trying him at another.
I'll make a wild guess and say Pettine will try to wring something out of him in the playoffs, even if it's a few snaps a game where the situation is most favorable for Gary to do whatever he does best at that point. It might be at OLB, it might be lining up over a G.
DH13 posted:Is Kuechly really worth anything near that anymore? I haven't watched much of him this year but I don't recall him really standing out vs GB.
He's missed a lot of games over the years due to several concussions. He's great, but he's in Sam Shields territory if not beyond it.
Henry posted:Probably should've put this post here.
So here's a thought. If you've got nothing to lose why not Gary? A 270 pound guy with crazy athleticism. Supposedly at Michigan he was drawing all the attention so guys like Bush could crash in. What about Gary over the top of Kenny Clark? He has more than enough speed for coverage. So now he's just got to learn it. Even if it's temporary it sure can't hurt his development IMO. I'm guessing he's got a lot to learn in pass coverage but this is a what do you have to lose scenario.
Even if he isn't awesome in coverage I bet offenses keep a man in to account for him. One less pass option.
Oh no. I just responded to this in the other thread. (I mentioned this quite a while ago!) Now I suppose you'll shift it again to a different thread!
No to Gary at MLB. Our MLB problems are pass coverage related more than run D. Goodson has been adequate in the thumper role IMO.
If you want to get Gary more snaps I would say it needs to be next to Clark in the interior on 3rd down. That said, If you want another pass rusher on the field my preference would be to let Z move where he wants on the inside and put Fackrell on the edge. Unlike Gary, he has shown in college and in the pros that he can fill the stat sheet.
I think the idea was that Gary might actually be better in coverage because of his agility and speed.
I think Gary would be a disaster in coverage, despite his speed. Having never played the position, I think OCs would run circles around him with various formations, crossing routes, etc. Bad idea.
Martinez is so bad we are suggesting a defensive end would be better in coverage. Let that sink in.
Yup.
MichiganPacker2 posted:DH13 posted:Is Kuechly really worth anything near that anymore? I haven't watched much of him this year but I don't recall him really standing out vs GB.
He's missed a lot of games over the years due to several concussions. He's great, but he's in Sam Shields territory if not beyond it.
That's a good point. Seems like he's missed a couple of Packer games (or missed one and left one early?) because of this.
Jesus, some of you have gone full retard on Martinez.
BrainDed posted:Martinez is so bad we are suggesting a defensive end would be better in coverage. Let that sink in.
"We" is a very small number.
BrainDed posted:No to Gary at MLB. Our MLB problems are pass coverage related more than run D. Goodson has been adequate in the thumper role IMO.
If you want to get Gary more snaps I would say it needs to be next to Clark in the interior on 3rd down. That said, If you want another pass rusher on the field my preference would be to let Z move where he wants on the inside and put Fackrell on the edge. Unlike Gary, he has shown in college and in the pros that he can fill the stat sheet.
First off, total desperation hypothetical. Putting in Gary is more about pass defense not being a run plugger. He has the speed in coverage. If he's any good at it is another thing. Again, this is a "Martinez is the worst thing ever". If you want to put stiffs like Summers in why not Gary?
BTW, I don't really agree with this scenario but if we're going with the "It can't get any worse" scenario I'd rather see Gary then the collection of stiffs currently at ILB.
MichiganPacker2 posted:DH13 posted:Is Kuechly really worth anything near that anymore? I haven't watched much of him this year but I don't recall him really standing out vs GB.
He's missed a lot of games over the years due to several concussions. He's great, but he's in Sam Shields territory if not beyond it.
That is something to keep in mind. He has had numerous concussions and I need to check but I think he has missed quite a bit of time because of it.
Pakrz posted:Jesus, some of you have gone full retard on Martinez.
Pakrz, LOL isn't that the truth. I still say Martinez isn't the problem the problem is that the Packers don't currently have another ILB to team up with him. I would expect that Gute will have the need for another ILB high on his to do list this off season.
Fandame posted:Henry posted:Probably should've put this post here.
So here's a thought. If you've got nothing to lose why not Gary? A 270 pound guy with crazy athleticism. Supposedly at Michigan he was drawing all the attention so guys like Bush could crash in. What about Gary over the top of Kenny Clark? He has more than enough speed for coverage. So now he's just got to learn it. Even if it's temporary it sure can't hurt his development IMO. I'm guessing he's got a lot to learn in pass coverage but this is a what do you have to lose scenario.
Even if he isn't awesome in coverage I bet offenses keep a man in to account for him. One less pass option.
Oh no. I just responded to this in the other thread. (I mentioned this quite a while ago!) Now I suppose you'll shift it again to a different thread!
I don't believe you. You're squatting on my idea. Squatter.
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To Hank's point, I recall a certain Levon Kirkland in Pittsburgh that was a beast of a MLB for years. I think that dude played at 6'1" and 275+ lbs. Rare athlete for sure, but Gary is said to be a physical freak as well.
What's there to lose lining him up next to Martinez, who I'm told is the worst MLB in the history of the NFL.
He may get Martinez cooties.
Well some people may get their bloomers in a bunch for just for the thought of it .
In reality, Gary needs to learn 1 position first before they start throwing others at him.
If only they had Taysom Hill, he would be the greatest LB ever.
I know! He could force punts, block them, then catch the TD pass on the next play. The next Jim Thorpe.
YATittle posted:I know! He could force punts, block them, then throw and catch the TD pass on the next play. The next Jim Thorpe.
FIFY
Even 5 pages in, I can't help but read the thread title as "Snoring up the defense".
Pakrz posted:To Hank's point, I recall a certain Levon Kirkland in Pittsburgh that was a beast of a MLB for years. I think that dude played at 6'1" and 275+ lbs. Rare athlete for sure, but Gary is said to be a physical freak as well.
What's there to lose lining him up next to Martinez, who I'm told is the worst MLB in the history of the NFL.
I'm not concerned about Gary's size being the issue, the guy is an amazing athlete. It's truly the instincts and the vision that set ILB's apart from other positions. Those guys are the QBs of the defense with calling the plays, pre-snap reads and then diagnosing the play immediately at the snap, maneuvering through the chaos and avoiding blockers, and getting the right angle on the ball carrier. Is it something Gary could learn? Probably with an entire offseason + training camp + preseason he could, but right now it's likely a position he's never played with responsibilities he likely doesn't know. Clay made the switch look easy, but Clay's style of play is more conducive to that type of switch. Clay was a 43 OLB/34OLB tweener, he could have been an off the ball LB in any scheme. Gary is a 34OLB/43 DL tweener, his skills are not suited to be an off the ball LB.
I think Fackrell is probably a better candidate to move back than Gary.
I agree that R. Gary's football instincts are questionable at this point. At the NFL level, you've got to make decisions in fractions of a second and some guys are capable of making those decisions correctly and quickly in those fractions of a second and some aren't. In some cases, that sort of thing can be improved with repetition, but not everyone is wired to make those split second decisions and have the physical makeup to execute those decisions correctly.
Let's just hope that with enough repetition, Gary can figure out ways to contribute regularly. So far though he looks pretty lost and unimpactful whenever I've seen him. Here's to hoping the light goes on for him soon, if it ever does go on for him at all.
Just sucks that he's the #12 overall pick. I know everybody wants instant gratification but in some players it takes time.
I'm preaching patience & who knows.....maybe he'll make some splash plays in the playoffs. Maybe they're waiting to unleash him? Keep it off tape.
Dare to dream.....
Henry posted:Fandame posted:Henry posted:Probably should've put this post here.
So here's a thought. If you've got nothing to lose why not Gary? A 270 pound guy with crazy athleticism. Supposedly at Michigan he was drawing all the attention so guys like Bush could crash in. What about Gary over the top of Kenny Clark? He has more than enough speed for coverage. So now he's just got to learn it. Even if it's temporary it sure can't hurt his development IMO. I'm guessing he's got a lot to learn in pass coverage but this is a what do you have to lose scenario.
Even if he isn't awesome in coverage I bet offenses keep a man in to account for him. One less pass option.
Oh no. I just responded to this in the other thread. (I mentioned this quite a while ago!) Now I suppose you'll shift it again to a different thread!
I don't believe you. You're squatting on my idea. Squatter.
(The contents of this post may or may not be correct. The writer bears no responsibility)
Ha! I'm not a squatter -- You're a thief!
(Does anyone on the 'net ever bear any responsibility? 
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Maybe Rashaan Gary takes the path of former Packers LB Brian Williams. Williams was drafted in the 3rd round 1995 and my recollection was that Fritz Shurmur thought he was pretty much a waste of a roster spot his entire rookie season but they kept him around in hopes his game would catch up to his considerable physical gifts.
Then came training camp 1996, you could see Williams flying around the field and showing incredible improvement over his washout rookie year. While he never was a Pro Bowl type LB, he was a very solid player whose speed was an integral part of a World Champion Packers' team that year. Gary is a little bit different than Williams, he's much bigger and probably not quite as fast but he is a great physical specimen in his own right.
Those turnarounds can happen, particularly guys from their 1st to 2nd year. Maybe Gary will need an off-season to clear his head and figure things out, but hopefully he can figure it out come playoff time this year.
https://www.packers.com/news/r...provement-from-day-1
On Rashan Gary:
He’s graded out well when he’s been in there. He’s had some good rushes and gotten some pressures. Like Kyler Fackrell, he’s a victim of two other guys in that room playing extremely well and getting production. He’s on a progression, he’s on a path that we feel he’s made improvement from Day 1 and we’re certainly confident that’s going to continue. … He has the ability to play (inside or outside). That’s what I see in his ability, a guy who can rush outside early or bump inside.
Nah. Pretty sure Gary just sucks. I read it on a message board.
We like to refer to that as.....
The Blogosphere
Hot take!!
Pakrz posted:Nah. Pretty sure Gary just sucks. I read it on a message board.
What did you read on a message board after Damarious Randall was drafted? Or Ha Ha? What about after Datone was the pick?
Just curious.
Or Davante Adams being on the roster bubble? Or Fackrell being on the roster bubble? Or Crosby being on the roster bubble? Or Aaron Rodgers being a bust? Or Jeff Janis being a savior? Or Ruvell Martin being a savior? Or Tori Gurley being a savior? Or Breno Giacomini at TE? I’m still waiting for these adamant opinions to materialize.
If you start with the assumption that everything on the Internet is bullshit, you’ll be a lot closer to right than wrong.
Truer words were never spoken - or typed.
Only exception is medical advise. I think that is all 100% spot on.
I'm on blood thinners do you think it's ok to....
Ahhhhh, screw it. Seems like a good plan to me.
Blair Kiel posted:If you start with the assumption that everything on the Internet is bullshit, you’ll be a lot closer to right than wrong.
"Every word she writes is a lie, including 'and' and 'the'." -- Mary McCarthy on Lillian Hellman
