Kind of interesting: Roger Staubach, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady and Nick Foles, all backup QBs who won the SB.
And they missed #12
Considering very few walk in and start day 1, it really isn't a very noteworthy thing
But Rodgers was the starting QB that year. Anyhow, just some mindless fluff, from a true master.... of, you know, that kinda stuff. How goes Bongers?
heyward posted:Trevor Siemien signed for $2 million. I'd take him over Deshon Kizer every day of the week.
Nobody is winning anything of note in the NFL with Siemien or Kizer. This is really spending less for the sake of saying failure didn’t crush cap space.
Trophies posted:Kind of interesting: Roger Staubach, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady and Nick Foles, all backup QBs who won the SB.
Staubach was the best QB in Dallas the day he was drafted. Hostetler had an o-line and run game. And a defense for the ages. Let’s not talk much about Dilfer. We know how that happened. Doug Williams and Warner were the best QBs on the roster when they won SBs. Became starters different ways.
Plunkett started in part because Tom Flores was sick and tired of Pastorini’s drinking and genuine lazy bullshit because he felt slighted over the trade for Stabler. Pastorini snapped his leg and Flores threw a QB replacement win party.
Brady and Foles are all time examples of backups that might not have been the best QB options that went and made the best of an opportunity.
In general. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
Ohhh Geeeez now eh!!!! I wasn't trying to make a point. Seriously. Just tossed the sh!t up der Eh-na.
Henry posted:BrainDed posted:Someone explain to me the logic of keeping 2 turds at backup QB on the roster. Is two turds really better than 1 turd? I don't think so. Just stash that single turd in the corner and hope the rest of the league never sees it.
A turd in the hand? I'll take the Irish turd.
I didn't know Kizer was Irish. Explains why he played for ND. 
Just to toss a match into the coals: What if MM was stuck with Hundley, Kizer, et al because TT refused to go out and get him someone else? If TT had total roster control, he may have stuck MM -- the supposed QB guru -- with these guys.
Skeptical that TT ever saddled MM with players in that manner. The Graham Harrell debacle suggests someone carrying around the mantle of QB guru that clearly wasn't.
Why is that unreasonable to believe? We know there was a major disconnect between the FO and coaching staff, Murphy said as much. MM may have lost the team the last two years, but there was a time where we ran one of the top 3 offenses in the NFL for close to a decade. He knows a little something about offense and I have a hard time believing any coach running any version of a WCO wanted Seneca Wallace, Vince Young, Graham Harrell, or Brett Hundley. Kizer certainly, that was a Gute pickup and Kizer was a well regarded draft pick. Maybe he wanted some of them as practice squad guys, but I doubt he wanted to keep them as the primary backup QBs. Maybe he liked having Harrell or possibly even Wallace there as another voice in the meeting room, certainly Harrell has gone on to a solid coaching career, but at a minimum why didn't TT step in and find a QB when it was clear AR would be out longer than half a game. When Seneca Wallace is your starter, you override your coach and find someone better. That's why I think he was TT's pick and not MM's.
#domcaperssucks
Thinking it was more equal parts, but, Ted failed severely in bringing talent in by all means available to him. His hard stance on FA had me near a stroke... Simply foolish. The Packers had the means, and he never played save for Woodson and maybe a couple other players over more than a decade.
I knew we were F'd when he let Cullen Jenkins go in 2011.
McPizzabox had his own problems. I can't.... I just can't.... Draft & develop? You can draft all you want, but, who brings the "develop?"
I am no TT or MM knob polisher. In fact, I called for both of them to get the boot (Especially MM) long before their respective tenures actually ended in GB.
That said, lets not forget that the Green Bay Packers have been one of the most successful franchises in the NFL over the past two decades. Should we have achieved more than 2 championships during that time? Absolutely... but lets not lose sight of the sustained excellence either.
This ain't Detroit man!
Oh, no. I do get that Pakrz. For sure. Ted made some great picks all through his tenure, except 2015... His last big one was nabbing Clark. Phenomenal pick at that point.
My big thing was TT's imbalance in acquiring talent, and McCarthy's imbalance in play calling, along with his nepotism in hiring Zook, when the top 2 ST's coaches in the NFL were both available.
Ted got some talent but not enough, and for being a draft wizard, he had a ton of misses along the way. I still cannot fathom Spriggs. McCarthy didn't do very well to develop talent. I was a huge supporter of his, of course, after winning the SB. But, as the seasons wore on, he seemed so out of control, as did his team, and I came to think he was more the blind squirrel who found the nut in 2010-11.
Opposing defenses could rush us nearly non stop. Constantly had their ears pinned back in pass rush mode. That could have been avoided with a balanced run/pass offense. No wonder Aaron broke his collar bone twice. That was on McCarthy, whether AR was checking out of run plays or not. He should have done more to protect Rodgers, even if it was from Rodgers himself.
Trophies posted:Thinking it was more equal parts, but, Ted failed severely in bringing talent in by all means available to him. His hard stance on FA had me near a stroke... Simply foolish. The Packers had the means, and he never played save for Woodson and maybe a couple other players over more than a decade.
I knew we were F'd when he let Cullen Jenkins go in 2011.
McPizzabox had his own problems. I can't.... I just can't.... Draft & develop? You can draft all you want, but, who brings the "develop?"
Winston Moss?
Zook?
Slocum?
Grave Digger posted:Why is that unreasonable to believe?
Because I've never seen any indication whatsoever that that's the case. Plenty of evidence of a split between the two as far as TT's activity in FA but nothing of TT saddling him with players he didn't want, especially at the QB position.
They both deserve blame for going into seasons with stiffs like Wallace, Tolzien, Harrell, and Hundley as backup QBs. Looks like Kizer will soon be added to the list. Let's see how long the new guys keep him around.
Tolzien was an untapped treasure
Scrappy blue collar gym rat type player.
Tolzien threw almost 5 times as many INTs as TDs, but yes, he was scrappy.
Love that play shown above!
Sometimes you can see 'things' watching them, like who is being lazy and not paying attention, and the guys that have their heads in the game. Our #68 had them both covered; standing around but quickly realizes the scramble and makes a great block.
Vikes #98...
never heard a viking fan refer to viking players as "grapes" before.
"grapes" is beyond accurate as it leads to all the whine
Fandame posted:Love the Viking who performs the fly-by!
Yep, he was already thinking of what kind of sack dance he was going to perform, only to go whizzing by at the last second.
Really, it sums up the Vikes history quite nicely.
"We've got it!"
"It's in the bag!"
"What the hell just happened?"
Or, put another way:
I was at that game. Good times. Was a 4 game home stretch where I got to see 4 different starting QB's in person. I hope that never happens again.
Bears - Rodgers leaves early (collarbone) with Wallace in relief.
Eagles - Wallace leaves early (groin) with Tolzien in relief.
Vikings - Ineffective Tolzien (sans sweet TD run) replaced by Flynn. A tie that kind of felt like a win.
Falcons - Flynn for the win.
Grave Digger posted:Scrappy blue collar gym rat type player.
Sounds like a white guy 
Think Dexter Williams is firmly on the bubble and tonight will be big. Does some nice things running but his inability to catch the ball is a real issue in this offense.
JSO has a subscriber only story says 12 spots are still up for grabs.
I think 12 is a lock. JSO really trolling hard with that click-bait.
I was not much of a fan of Davis until this year. I saw him as stuck in STs. Yet as others have said he now gets it and is more ready to contribute in both phases of the game. Good for him. Sheppard looks like a younger version of Cobb. Summers remains a work in progress but has the speed and smarts to eventually become a starter, but Bolton looked better before the injury. I don’t think the team will carry 7 WRs this year. I expect that there will be 4 tight ends, a fullback, a DB and maybe even an extra lineman vying for the 53 and that means fewer WRs. All teams in the NFL will have to cut good players and just because we have fallen in love with a certain player or two does not mean that he will be snatched up by another team before we can put him on the PS.
In a way, it wouldn't surprise me if they keep three TEs and let Lewis go... I don't know if they'd keep seven WRs, but you also have to weigh which has more value in case of injury -- and given Davis' and G-Mo's injury histories, it's a distinct possibility one or the other will go down. Which could you go out and get easier: another serviceable WR or a serviceable TE? Which would you deem more valuable? I think you can never have too many WRs. Or, if you keep a FB, could he become more of an H-back? (Vitale with his ability to catch and run?) That could allow you to keep three TEs... IMHO, you can't have too many WRs, DBs, OL, or DL.
But I'm also playing the GM game without the pressure of millions of fans' expectations and millions of $$$$ at stake.
Well, Josh Jones was just let go. I guess his “injury “ was to his pride. Gutie doesn’t waste time on cutting draft picks.
The WR cut down will be interesting. https://www.espn.com/blog/gree...h-could-make-packers
Timmy! posted:Love that play shown above!
Sometimes you can see 'things' watching them, like who is being lazy and not paying attention, and the guys that have their heads in the game. Our #68 had them both covered; standing around but quickly realizes the scramble and makes a great block.
Vikes #98...
Hahah, OMG I was thinking the same thing! Love offensive lineman, but those big motherf***ers are just running around out there with no idea! Hahaha, yeah #62 just standing there looking around, literally just standing there and then he's like "Whoah, someones coming I better go hit someone!" When he saw the QB coming it almost looked like it startled him!!! #74 whiffs on a block at least twice. Even Bak just starts trotting after the QB when he goes by. That clip is GOLD!!!
Offense (25)
QB's (2)
Rodgers, Boyle
WR (6)
Adams, Allison, MVS, Kumerow, Davis, Sheppard
* St Brown to IR, Lazzard to PS and J'mon cut.
TE (4)
Graham, Lewis, Tonyan, Sternberger
RB (4)
Jones, J Williams, D Williams, Vitale
* Ford or Carson to PS.
OL (9)
Bahk, Bulaga, Linsley, Jenkins, Turner, Taylor, Light, Patrick, Madison
* Nijman to the PS
Defense (24)
DL (5)
Clark, Lowry, Adams, Lancaster, Keke,
OLB (5)
P Smitth, Z Smith, Fackrell, Gary, Gilbert
ILB (4)
Martinez, Summers, FA Signing after cuts, One of the new guys.
* Burks on IR, Bolton on IR
Safety (4)
Amos, Savage, Green, Campbell
CB (6)
Alexander, King, Williams, Brown, Jackson, Hollman
Specialist (3)
Crosby, Scott, Bradley
* Since we are so weak at ILB I expect to see us in nickle 90% of the time. 3-3-6. Maybe we will see Gary at end in some 4-3 alignments against stronger run teams.
* 6 WR is enough for this offense which I assume is going to run a lot more and play out of a traditional 2 back set and double TE sets. Sheppard or Davis, whosoever is not the return guy, will be inactive on game days.