Trophies posted:

Kind of interesting: Roger Staubach, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner, Tom Brady and Nick Foles, all backup QBs who won the SB.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2...super-bowl-tom-brady

Staubach was the best QB in Dallas the day he was drafted. Hostetler had an o-line and run game. And a defense for the ages. Let’s not talk much about Dilfer. We know how that happened. Doug Williams and Warner were the best QBs on the roster when they won SBs. Became starters different ways.  

Plunkett started in part because Tom Flores was sick and tired of Pastorini’s drinking and genuine lazy bullshit because he felt slighted over the trade for Stabler. Pastorini snapped his leg and Flores threw a QB replacement win party. 

Brady and Foles are all time examples of backups that might not have been the best QB options that went and made the best of an opportunity. 

In general. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. 

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BrainDed posted:

Someone explain to me the logic of keeping 2 turds at backup QB on the roster.  Is two turds really better than 1 turd?   I don't think so.    Just stash that single turd in the corner and hope the rest of the league never sees it.

A turd in the hand?  I'll take the Irish turd.

I didn't know Kizer was Irish. Explains why he played for ND.  

Why is that unreasonable to believe? We know there was a major disconnect between the FO and coaching staff, Murphy said as much. MM may have lost the team the last two years, but there was a time where we ran one of the top 3 offenses in the NFL for close to a decade. He knows a little something about offense and I have a hard time believing any coach running any version of a WCO wanted Seneca Wallace, Vince Young, Graham Harrell, or Brett Hundley. Kizer certainly, that was a Gute pickup and Kizer was a well regarded draft pick. Maybe he wanted some of them as practice squad guys, but I doubt he wanted to keep them as the primary backup QBs. Maybe he liked having Harrell or possibly even Wallace there as another voice in the meeting room, certainly Harrell has gone on to a solid coaching career, but at a minimum why didn't TT step in and find a QB when it was clear AR would be out longer than half a game. When Seneca Wallace is your starter, you override your coach and find someone better. That's why I think he was TT's pick and not MM's.   

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Thinking it was more equal parts, but, Ted failed severely in bringing talent in by all means available to him. His hard stance on FA had me near a stroke... Simply foolish. The Packers had the means, and he never played save for Woodson and maybe a couple other players over more than a decade.

I knew we were F'd when he let Cullen Jenkins go in 2011.

McPizzabox had his own problems. I can't.... I just can't.... Draft & develop? You can draft all you want, but, who brings the "develop?"

I am no TT or MM knob polisher.  In fact, I called for both of them to get the boot (Especially MM) long before their respective tenures actually ended in GB.  

That said, lets not forget that the Green Bay Packers have been one of the most successful franchises in the NFL over the past two decades.  Should we have achieved more than 2 championships during that time?  Absolutely... but lets not lose sight of the sustained excellence either.  

This ain't Detroit man!

Oh, no. I do get that Pakrz. For sure. Ted made some great picks all through his tenure, except 2015... His last big one was nabbing Clark. Phenomenal pick at that point.

My big thing was TT's imbalance in acquiring talent, and McCarthy's imbalance in play calling, along with his nepotism in hiring Zook, when the top 2 ST's coaches in the NFL were both available.

Ted got some talent but not enough, and for being a draft wizard, he had a ton of misses along the way. I still cannot fathom Spriggs. McCarthy didn't do very well to develop talent. I was a huge supporter of his, of course, after winning the SB. But, as the seasons wore on, he seemed so out of control, as did his team, and I came to think he was more the blind squirrel who found the nut in 2010-11.

Opposing defenses could rush us nearly non stop. Constantly had their ears pinned back in pass rush mode. That could have been avoided with a balanced run/pass offense. No wonder Aaron broke his collar bone twice. That was on McCarthy, whether AR was checking out of run plays or not. He should have done more to protect Rodgers, even if it was from Rodgers himself.

Trophies posted:

Thinking it was more equal parts, but, Ted failed severely in bringing talent in by all means available to him. His hard stance on FA had me near a stroke... Simply foolish. The Packers had the means, and he never played save for Woodson and maybe a couple other players over more than a decade.

I knew we were F'd when he let Cullen Jenkins go in 2011.

McPizzabox had his own problems. I can't.... I just can't.... Draft & develop? You can draft all you want, but, who brings the "develop?"

Winston Moss?

Zook?

Slocum?

I was at that game. Good times. Was a 4 game home stretch where I got to see 4 different starting QB's in person. I hope that never happens again. 

Bears - Rodgers leaves early (collarbone) with Wallace in relief.
Eagles - Wallace leaves early (groin) with Tolzien in relief.
Vikings - Ineffective Tolzien (sans sweet TD run) replaced by Flynn. A tie that kind of felt like a win. 
Falcons - Flynn for the win.