Yet, the guy running all things related to personnel and the guy tasked with coaching the team think otherwise. Again, complete head-scratcher.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:I think you better check your context sweet heart. Context is everything even though people want to ignore it. Calling TT a ****ing autocrat? Is that the new narrative?
TT, El Duce, creating terror throughout the organization while systematically executing those who disagree!
Sad ****ing shit.
I think we all know TT really fell off the last 3 years. Look it up.
Calling him an autocrat is moronic, but pretending our current GM is at all to blame for TT’s mistakes is equally moronic. He wasn’t a brutal dictator, but NFL organizations also aren’t run by popular vote.
Please find my statement on this for me. If you're talking about Heyward's statement, take it up with him. With his statement I don't see blame, I see association, you know, because they all worked in the front office. Facts are facts. Calling TT an autocrat is idiotic. Just like any other GM, TT made the calls. Just like any other GM he had a staff to help him make the calls. You guys are seriously reaching if you think the comments have anything to do with absolving TT down the stretch.
If it's a continued feud, leave me out of it.
If someone wants to keep running this ****ing statement into the ground, strap 'em on.
Graham will be in the rear view mirror of this team. Soon. For good reason. He can’t help them. It’s not a head scratcher.
HE WONT ****ING BLOCK ANYONE!
Well you better alert Guternfarter and LaFluffer of this! This simply cannot go on unchallenged!
It might not be efficient but Lewis is on this team as a road grader and Graham as a pass catcher. To be honest, I really hope Lewis gets more involved in the short passing game. He may be more valuable than Graham in that sense when it comes to the short game overall. That guy is a beast of a man. I was hoping to see highlights of him tossing Fackrell around again.
Sounds like Lewis worked really hard in the offseason to rework his body. Might see him used a little in the passing game this year instead of pretty much a 6th OL.
Lewis is the road-grader, but don’t be surprised if Tonyan emerges as the pass-catching TE. He’s a guy who just makes plays. Not great at blocking, but gets open in the middle, which Graham can no longer do. If a guy comes free who Gutenplenty likes, Graham could still be gone.
ChilliJon posted:The very best 11 GB can put on the field and run multiple plays out of that formation is Adams & MVS outside. Kumerow slot. WS TE. Jones @RB.
But the TE has got to be a blocking threat. He has to be someone that can block. This is why Graham is a liability. His ability to get open is easily taken away because he’s not blocking anyone. If he’s on the field it’s pass and if it’s run it’s away from him.
I think MLF wants his TEs to run block. Pass block. I don’t get why Graham is still here. Graham is the singular thing I don’t get about MLF.
100% agree. Hopefully it’s more Lewis and Tonyan. Graham is only good for being split out wide in the red zone and even then, he wasn’t that effective at that last year.
His blocking isn’t just bad, it’s a liability.
Graham doesn't have to block. If he can stay healthy, he's still a pass catching threat. And until proven otherwise, a red zone threat.
PackLandVA posted:Graham doesn't have to block. If he can stay healthy, he's still a pass catching threat. And until proven otherwise, a red zone threat.
It was proven last year that he can’t separate anymore. All he has is the big frame to box out. We have actual WideOuts on the roster that will better serve the offense between the 20’s.
All he is good for is an occasional jump ball these days.
Well, MM didn't really use a TE in his offense. Either that, or AR didn't want to throw to him. Time will tell, but I'll give the new HC's offensive playcalling a shot to rejuvenate Graham's career before writing him off.
PackLandVA posted:Graham doesn't have to block. If he can stay healthy, he's still a pass catching threat. And until proven otherwise, a red zone threat.
Yes. He absolutely does have to block. Or show the ability to block. Or give 1/4 shit about blocking. He put up so much horrible tape of not blocking this preseason. It was HORRIBLE. If he’s on the field it’s a pass. Or a run away from him. Or a screen pass away from him. I’m not kidding. His blocking film this preseason was beyond pathetic. This isn’t 2012 Jimmy Graham we are talking about. This is a beat down & diminished Jimmy Graham that is never getting what what everyone thinks he’s capable unless he puts in a shit load of work and starts blocking people.
So you think Jimmy Graham is gonna suddenly start working on his blocking once the season starts?
Or you think the GM made a huge mistake paying the roster bonus in March and not releasing him by today?
Ill give the GM the benefit of the doubt. And I’ll give the new HC’s scheme a chance. And defenses don’t need to see Jimmy Graham on the field to determine its a pass play (or running play away from him, or a screen away from him). It’s a passing league and GB has an elite QB.
I think the GM made a mistake. Wouldn’t be his first. It happens.
It’s not a passing league anymore because everyone thinks it’s a passing league.
Block in 2019 and run the ball. Run and run again. And then run the ball again. And then line up and run it again.
Jonathan Taylor should shut it down tomorrow. Keep the Mileage low. Go 1st round. Lay waste to an NFL landscape with a bunch of defensive hybrids looking to drop into coverage because it’s a passing league.
I’m not kidding. Jimmy Graham is worthless in 2019. Bunch of faster guys with hops that make him an afterthought. But Jimmy is worth something if he can run over and bury a 220lb LB consistently.
Sure, he may have. But I'll take a wait and see. Same with the HC.
Don't understand all the Jimmy Graham blasting...Did those of you that are hating on him watch a single Tennessee game last year?? Obviously not, because if you did, you'd know who Delanie Walker is and how big of a role he played in ML's offense last year. Delanie Walker's role=Jimmy Graham's role this year.
ChilliJon posted:It’s not a passing league anymore because everyone thinks it’s a passing league.
Block in 2019 and run the ball. Run and run again. And then run the ball again. And then line up and run it again.
Jonathan Taylor should shut it down tomorrow. Keep the Mileage low. Go 1st round. Lay waste to an NFL landscape with a bunch of defensive hybrids looking to drop into coverage because it’s a passing league.
I’m not kidding. Jimmy Graham is worthless in 2019. Bunch of faster guys with hops that make him an afterthought. But Jimmy is worth something if he can run over and bury a 220lb LB consistently.
We will have to see how your theory on league going back to running the ball turns out. However, last season, as was the case for the past 7-8 seasons, the two stats that were most predictive of winning are : 1) turnover differential 2) Average yards gained per pass attempt.
All he is good for is an occasional jump ball these days.
So Jimmy Graham 2019 = Jeff Janis!, and Graham is going to be selling tires next year? 
So much Graham hate. 😂
Need someone to hate on now that Capers is gone.
I have to believe something went horribly wrong with Graham last year. Either MM didn’t use him correctly or he was hurt. The dropoff in performance was significant from past years.
Then again, maybe he’s just not close to the player he was. Richard Sherman is a good example of this, but he also had a major injury.
Right or wrong the Packers banked on Graham so they need him to do something this year. No different than guys like Rashaun Gary and the free agent pass rushers and Amos and heck even Aaron Rodgers. If this team has aspirations to make the playoffs they need most of their players to perform at an above average level. The roster is decent but not spectacular so they need guys to play well and hopefully avoid injuries to key positions.
I’m not understanding all the Graham hate. No he’s never been an adequate blocker and he can’t run like he used to but he did catch 55 balls last year in an off year. It’s not like he can’t play at all anymore.
ChilliJon posted:I think Kumerow is going to lead GB in receptions in 2019. From slot WR.
While that would be great I have a hard time seeing this happening. I believe he is the 4th receiver (likely 5th if EQ hadn’t been injured).
im very concerned about our ILBs. Kinda surprised that Bolton was waived instead of being put on IR.
Graham and Rodgers never seemed to mesh as well as I had hoped. That said, both guys had injuries and were not as healthy as you'd like.
At this point, he's not going to beat anyone with speed like say Jared Cook could in 2016. I think he can still be a solid guy for intermediate pass routes and red zone productivity but he needs to work a little bit harder to get at least a little bit more spearation and Rodgers will have to use Graham's height and jumping ability to his advantage. Maybe a new scheme and a cleaner bill of health can help both guys work better together.
The Graham hate is 90% about his blocking. In a MM offense, it didn't matter that much that he blocks worse than Don Beebe. in MLF offense, we need a TE that can road grade.
Fedya posted:So much Graham hate. 😂
Need someone to hate on now that Capers is gone.
Isn't that why you're here?
GB’s ability to find UDFA’s, claim players from other teams, sign players off practice squads, etc... really helped them fill out this 53:
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) September 1, 2019
G-Mo
Boyle
F. Brown
T. Brown
Crawford
Greene
Kumerow
Lancaster
Light
Patrick
Redmond
Shep
Sullivan
Tonyan
Vitale
Impressive use of the scrap heap by the Packers.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Don't understand all the Jimmy Graham blasting...Did those of you that are hating on him watch a single Tennessee game last year?? Obviously not, because if you did, you'd know who Delanie Walker is and how big of a role he played in ML's offense last year. Delanie Walker's role=Jimmy Graham's role this year.
I know I go out of my way to watch Titans games. Since we as Packers fans shockingly didn't catch all the Titans games please expound as to the use of Delanie Walker. Yes, I'm being serious for the most part.
michiganjoe posted:GB’s ability to find UDFA’s, claim players from other teams, sign players off practice squads, etc... really helped them fill out this 53:
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) September 1, 2019
G-Mo
Boyle
F. Brown
T. Brown
Crawford
Greene
Kumerow
Lancaster
Light
Patrick
Redmond
Shep
Sullivan
Tonyan
VitaleImpressive use of the scrap heap by the Packers.
I'll definitely say this, Guteyvonspooty churns the bottom of the roster in a excellent fashion. I love the fact he's as least getting picks or something for guys like Gilbert.
TT was definitely old guard (GM's starting at the beginning of the salary cap era). Seems like Gordy and the newer GMs are actively engaging more and using the trade tools in place. It definitely spices up TC and the offseason a bit more.
Oh, that list needs to be edited though. Any players brought in by TT don't count. I'm not even sure why guys like Allison are on the roster considering they are just TT yes men and everybody hates them.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:Don't understand all the Jimmy Graham blasting...Did those of you that are hating on him watch a single Tennessee game last year?? Obviously not, because if you did, you'd know who Delanie Walker is and how big of a role he played in ML's offense last year. Delanie Walker's role=Jimmy Graham's role this year.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Delanie Walker was injured in Game 1 last year - out for the season. He is a underrated TE and has had multiple good years in Tenn..... none of which were with Matt LeFleur.
Henry posted:Fedya posted:So much Graham hate. 😂
Need someone to hate on now that Capers is gone.
Isn't that why you're here?
God put me here to make your life a living hell. 
Henry posted:OH MY GOD! YOU AUTOCRAT!!!!
YES!
New word for the board. Replaces IDOT.
OH! I'M BEING REPRESSED BY A FAUX PRESIDENT USURPING POWER!!! AUTOCRATING ME INTO SUBMISSION!!!
Somebody better check out back of 1265 for any mass burials or border concentration camps.
I'm sending you to Pol Pot's Reeducation Camp.
Henry posted:michiganjoe posted:GB’s ability to find UDFA’s, claim players from other teams, sign players off practice squads, etc... really helped them fill out this 53:
— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) September 1, 2019
G-Mo
Boyle
F. Brown
T. Brown
Crawford
Greene
Kumerow
Lancaster
Light
Patrick
Redmond
Shep
Sullivan
Tonyan
VitaleImpressive use of the scrap heap by the Packers.
I'll definitely say this, Guteyvonspooty churns the bottom of the roster in a excellent fashion. I love the fact he's as least getting picks or something for guys like Gilbert.
TT was definitely old guard (GM's starting at the beginning of the salary cap era). Seems like Gordy and the newer GMs are actively engaging more and using the trade tools in place. It definitely spices up TC and the offseason a bit more.
Oh, that list needs to be edited though. Any players brought in by TT don't count. I'm not even sure why guys like Allison are on the roster considering they are just TT yes men and everybody hates them.
Gebins to Glutenkrunch for finding the cracker jack diamonds-in-the-rough at the bottom of TT's box of turd puffs.
[I hope I used 'gebins' correctly. ]