Super Early 53 Man Roster Prediction

Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked. 

EC Pack posted:

Staaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked. 

A bit concerned with #2 corner.

But, yeah, pretty damn stacked.

Now it makes sense!

Think the organization feels it's too early to give up on the investment in Kizer. See them going with three QBs again. 

Boyle will not be #2.

They will keep more than 5 WR's.  Hell, they might keep 7 depending on talent depth elsewhere.

michiganjoe posted:

Think the organization feels it's too early to give up on the investment in Kizer. See them going with three QBs again. 

Kizer hasn't shown me anything yet.

But Boyle has. Unfortunately, he is experiencing yet another change in offenses.

I kept Trevor Davis as the 6th WR but he's listed PR/KR.

This was just for sh!ts & gigs. I do understand the CB depth is a tad short, but, it is rich with talent. They are working the group pretty much as DBs in general, and I see a lot of opportunities for a few players to bounce back and forth between CB, Slot and S. Pretty smart move by them I think. Makes for a lot more fluidity and understanding/communication being all considered essentially one group. 

Wondering a bit whether Crosby survives the competition this year, simply for cap purposes. Sam Ficken is young, but he was quite good at Penn St, setting school record with a 54 yd. FG. However, his trajectory is low, and had 10 of 75 attempts blocked there. I'd stick with the vet, Crosby.

I get the Kizer thing, but I believe it was a wash getting rid of a locker room cancer who freelanced too much for their liking. Seems Gutey isn't one to hold too dearly to any mistakes, and I think the battle for the #2 QB will be a good one. Maybe they do keep 3.

I'm also starting to wonder a bit about Oren Burks. Rodgers targeted him twice this week and won both throws in his area. I'm hoping he comes around and helps this defense. Will see. This gives me hope though:

https://packerswire.usatoday.c...ckers-lb-oren-burks/

Kept a 10th OL, as keeping Aaron clean is priority one. Not sold on Madison making the 53, but, they did make a big commitment to him, and he wants to return the favor. Just wondering if the year may have been too much time away to win a spot, but I threw him in there.

Funny thing on keeping FB Dan Vitale. I looked up how TEN (MLF) used a FB last season, and Derrick Henry struggled mightily without one through the first 8 games, where he averaged 3.3 ypc. They signed FB Jalston Fowler, and he cruised to 5.88 ypc in their last 8 games. Using their TE group as H-Back wasn't working too well, and a mauler FB got the job done. Plus, Vitale is a great ST player.

Who knows how it shakes, but, it is kind of fun to take a guess. A lot of battling for positions to be had come late July.

TiT Town!

10 blocked kicks???? YIKES!

Goalline posted:

10 blocked kicks???? YIKES!

Right? Just looked that up... uh, no thanks. Unless they coach him up, and I mean up! Also had 30% touchbacks and only a 3.6 second hang time. Leg strength prior to draft was considered a bit less than desired.

I should mention he did improve his FG percentage from 50% freshman year to 82% senior year. Maybe he worked that out. This was first I heard of that.

Offense 25

QB 3
Aaron Rodgers
Deshone Kizer
Tim Boyle

RB 4
Aaron Jones
Jamaal Williams
Dexter Williams
Dan Vitale

TE 4
Jimmy Graham
Mercedes Lewis
Jace Sternberger
Robert Tonyan

WR 6
Davante Adams
MVS
Geronimo Allison
ESB
J'Mon Moore
Trevor Davis

OL 8
David Bakhtiari
Elgton Jenkins
Corey Linsley
Billy Turner
Brian Bulaga
Lane Taylor
Lucas Patrick
Cole Madison

Defense 25

DL 7
Mike Daniels
Kenny Clark
Kingsley Keke
Dean Lowry
Tyler Lancaster
Montravius Adams
Fadol Brown

LB 8
Za’Darius Smith
Preston Smith
Rashan Gary
Kyler Fackrell
Blake Martinez
Ty Summers
James Crawford
Oren Burks

CB 6
Jaire Alexander
Kevin King
Josh Jackson
Tramon Williams
Ka’Dar Hollman
Tony Brown

S 4
Darnell Savage
Adrian Amos
Raven Greene
Mike Tyson

Special Teams 3

K Mason Crosby
P JK Scott
LS Hunter Bradley

Trophies posted:

Goalline posted:

10 blocked kicks???? YIKES!

Right? Just looked that up... uh, no thanks. Unless they coach him up, and I mean up! Also had 30% touchbacks and only a 3.6 second hang time. Leg strength prior to draft was considered a bit less than desired.

I should mention he did improve his FG percentage from 50% freshman year to 82% senior year. Maybe he worked that out. This was first I heard of that.

Clearly a work in progress. Kickers do improve with time. 

Grave Digger:

You left out Kumerow.

Pistol GB posted:

Grave Digger:

You left out Kumerow.

I have to believe Whitewater Jesus makes it this year.

Grave Digger doesn't have Kumerow. He's looking like a lock, like, a next to Adams lock.

F'ing Kumerow is my wife's new boyfriend...... ha!!! Not sure why. Maybe because they both went to Whitewater, but, so did I for a few months.

Just found out a bit more about Ficken. He missed 7 of his first 11 kicks at Penn St. Robbie Gould pulled him aside and mentored him, and he straightened himself out over the years.... kinda cool.

https://theramswire.usatoday.c...er-sign-replacement/

I think it was an oversight. His roster is short by one player. 

Yeah, has to be. GD is on his game.

The only trouble I have with his 53 is Yosh Nijman will never stick on our PS. Someone will snap him in a heartbeat, and he destroyed Clelin Ferrell, Wilkins and Lawrence from Clemson, and stoned Zach Allen. Great player at Virginia Tech. He must stay on this 53 or he is gone. Too valuable to not keep, with insane athleticism, and he plays both LT and RT. 6-7 340... Fell just short of "elite" category in SPARQ and RAS. Many scouts had him as the highest performer overall in his class at the Combine.

Trophies posted:

F'ing Kumerow is my wife's new boyfriend...... ha!!! Not sure why.

You're married to Goldie?

You forgot the injured reserve.

YATittle posted:

I have to believe Whitewater Jesus makes it this year.

Jesus walked on the water, I know that it's true

Sometimes I think that preacher man would like to do a little walking too

Jesus of Whitewater. Good one Tittle.

grignon posted:

You forgot the injured reserve.

We're not having one this year.  We're on a mission from God.

Trophies posted:

Yeah, has to be. GD is on his game.

The only trouble I have with his 53 is Yosh Nijman will never stick on our PS. Someone will snap him in a heartbeat, and he destroyed Clelin Ferrell, Wilkins and Lawrence from Clemson, and stoned Zach Allen. Great player at Virginia Tech. He must stay on this 53 or he is gone. Too valuable to not keep, with insane athleticism, and he plays both LT and RT. 6-7 340... Fell just short of "elite" category in SPARQ and RAS. Many scouts had him as the highest performer overall in his class at the Combine.

Why wasn't he drafted? 

I concur on that OT, especially if he does OK in preseason. Someone else will sign him.

Hey FLPacker, he had metal rods inserted into his legs after they fractured when he was younger and grew faster than his body could support. I’ll guarantee that was it. 

Did not stop him from playing very well. Gave up just 1 sack and 12 pressures in 2018, over something like 380 snaps. Didn’t stop him from owning the combine. Didn’t stop him from owning Brian Burns either. He played against some top talents at Virginia Tech in ACC. 

Pistol GB posted:

Grave Digger:

You left out Kumerow.

I am not convinced he's a lock. I could see him being unseated by this Teo Redding or even this speedster Jawill Davis. J'Mon Moore could be in the mix also, but this offense seems to covet speed and Moore is not a burner. I think the low guys on the depth chart will need to have a niche...like Trevor Davis' return ability and speed. Kumerow is a well rounded player, but he's not great at anything. Moore has some intriguing qualities, but we've seen nothing that makes him special. 

As for Nijman, it's hard to say right now what would happen if he was sent to the PS. He's a guy I could see making it to the final cut down because of that athleticism, but there's a reason he was a UDFA and it's beyond just injury. He could be a guy that gets stashed, but the way practice is structured now (less full contact, more indy) you don't really find out what you have in OTs until the preseason. 

Kumerow is the new Cobb. People say ESB is the new Cobb. We shall see.

GD, I just see him gone as quickly as NO snapped Taysom Hill 2 years ago. Monster mistake by Ted. Plus, you can't teach that kind of size/speed. The rook is NFL ready now, for but some work on his hands and feet. He's agile enough. We need a monster backup LT/RT. I would keep him at all costs from the PS. Might as well not even be on the team then....

I understand overvaluing your own, but, this guy was a steal in UDFA.

No one was willing to risk a $75K signing bonus to get Nijman in the 7th round. The lack of a publicly substantive downgrade and yet complete avoidance by the many teams in need of merely adequate tackles suggest there was a medical flag on Nijman raised by the combine physical. Something chronic or developing and litigable if released to the public.

Trophies posted:

Hey FLPacker, he had metal rods inserted into his legs after they fractured when he was younger and grew faster than his body could support. I’ll guarantee that was it. 

Did not stop him from playing very well. Gave up just 1 sack and 12 pressures in 2018, over something like 380 snaps. Didn’t stop him from owning the combine. Didn’t stop him from owning Brian Burns either. He played against some top talents at Virginia Tech in ACC. 

Has to be more than that.... ACC coaches and beat writers did not even name him as honorable mention all-conference. They had at least 11 tackles ahead of him. Here is NFL.com report on him:     https://www.nfl.com/prospects/...86-5ad3-455d5d7e45d9

Grave Digger posted:

Pistol GB posted:

Grave Digger:

You left out Kumerow.

I am not convinced he's a lock. I could see him being unseated by this Teo Redding or even this speedster Jawill Davis. J'Mon Moore could be in the mix also, but this offense seems to covet speed and Moore is not a burner. I think the low guys on the depth chart will need to have a niche...like Trevor Davis' return ability and speed. Kumerow is a well rounded player, but he's not great at anything. Moore has some intriguing qualities, but we've seen nothing that makes him special. 

Decent points but the thread says "prediction."  Pick one hey!  Who's your #6?

The "niche" thing is fine, but they need to be NFL-ready first, right?  Redding and Davis to me look like PS candidates. Kume's ready now and plenty fast.

I think Kumerow is far from a lock. So far he's a really nice story. He will need a really strong TC and show up in preseason to make the team. Lots of competition there. 

PackerHawk posted:

I think Kumerow is far from a lock. So far he's a really nice story. He will need a really strong TC and show up in preseason to make the team. Lots of competition there. 

Agreed- I'm not sure Kumerow makes the team, especially if J'mon starts catching the ball. I like to hear the good news per the link above about Oren Burks. I still remember many had him as a 6th round talent and it seemed like a huge reach to take him in the 3rd round. Hopefully a year in the system makes a big difference for him.

People say EVS is the new Cobb.

MVS or ESB?

Yeah I'm not criticizing the choice of Kumerow, he could make it. Hard to say how anyone will adjust to a new scheme, we're still in camps and everyone looks good in shorts. Right now if I had to guess at the #5 would be Moore and the #6 would be Trevor Davis. Trevor, Kumerow, Redding, and J. Davis are competing for 1 spot IMO. Davis and Kumerow got stashed on IR in 2018 because they had a top 6 with Adams, Cobb, Allison, and the rooks. Cobb is out of the picture now opening the door for 1 of those guys to make it. In my mind Trevor Davis has an edge because of his speed and return experience. The scheme wants speed and there's no other clear returner on the roster. 

Yosh has size, speed, pedigree to become a very solid LT or RT. His record speaks for itself. I do think the only reason why he was not drafted were those two metal rods in his legs, and that his technique is considered "stiff." It has not adversely affected his play at all. He just needs coaching like any rookie.

Pretty rare you get a OT that size with good feet. Add to it, our overall OT depth is highly suspect without a guy that size who could jump right in, 6-7 324, 34" arms, 10" hands... 4.81 40 time...

He was on a bad VT team, and he blocked out of a 2 pt. stance. Yosh said he can't wait to power up into his blocks from a 3 pt. stance.

AFC scout said: “I am shocked he didn’t get drafted. He’s 6-7, probably 320, ran like 4.8 flat. Kind of new to the game. His family is from Suriname in South America. He’s just a raw ball of clay. Ideal practice-squad guy, probably at worst. Great free-agent signing.”

Dude started at LT and RT for 1844 snaps over 3 years, with similar results to his Senior year's 1 sack, 1 hit, 10 hurries in 639 snaps (334 pass blocking sets), ahead of both Greg Little and Tytus Howard.

https://www.bigblueinteractive...w-offensive-tackles/

Posted "elite" RAS measurements earning a #16 overall in a RAS mock:  https://www.prideofdetroit.com...ck-draft-ras-edition

Nijman simply has gifts, and his technique must be developed further. I'd rather the Packers developed him to fit their needs. Fits an athletic standard that Gutey seems to hold dear to. We will see. Maybe he could become a starter at RT next season? Would hate to just give that away, like we did with another super athletic Tatum Hill.

How many years have we kept Spriggs around? I'd rather give Nijman a shot.

Well said Trophies.

Kumero's biggest knock right now is his age.  Not in a big picture sense but this team has a lot of young talent at WR that it is trying to cultivate and I don't know that a guy with probably only 3 top years left is a great candidate for being a first year starter or even contributor.  If he had been in the offense for years and had a record of success and experience that would be valuable, that would be another story.  The only way he can make the roster is if he develops a unique chemistry with AR that proves more valuable.  That will entail balling out in TC and PS via said chemistry.

At least 3 guys mentioned on these predictions will be injured to start the season

I'm a bit sore just reading these predictions

Just rub some dirt in it.

Grave Digger posted:

Pistol GB posted:

Grave Digger:

You left out Kumerow.

I am not convinced he's a lock. I could see him being unseated by this Teo Redding or even this speedster Jawill Davis. J'Mon Moore could be in the mix also, but this offense seems to covet speed and Moore is not a burner. I think the low guys on the depth chart will need to have a niche...like Trevor Davis' return ability and speed. Kumerow is a well rounded player, but he's not great at anything. Moore has some intriguing qualities, but we've seen nothing that makes him special. 

As for Nijman, it's hard to say right now what would happen if he was sent to the PS. He's a guy I could see making it to the final cut down because of that athleticism, but there's a reason he was a UDFA and it's beyond just injury. He could be a guy that gets stashed, but the way practice is structured now (less full contact, more indy) you don't really find out what you have in OTs until the preseason. 

But Rodgers likes Kumerow. He recently praised his football IQ and his ability to run the correct routes. I think Kumerow makes this team.

Age and lack of any real upside make Kumerow about a 50-50 shot for a roster spot, IMO. The story is better than the player.

Actually, I do think he is a lock, MichiganJoe. Quality WR. Rodgers digs having him around. That speaks volumes. I do believe he has upside. Fast, decent size, good route runner, and he can catch. Think he would excel opposite Adams with MVS in slot. Just my 2 cents.

I really wonder if Moore makes it? Another system for him to learn, and that was his primary struggle last year as a rookie, along with catching the ball. WR battles for positions on the 53 will be fierce.

You know how Rodgers likes his fav outlets...

AR's comments about Kumerow are remarkably similar to those he made about Jared Abbrederis. I don't really think they're all that significant.

Yes those comments were nice to hear but in essence it was that JK had some good skills with toe tapping in the end zone. He said that it looked natural. I think JK has some skills. He can fill the bottom to the middle of the roster in a pinch. Perhaps AR was making the point that the other receivers might want to work on that skill and he always praises good route running. Rodgers messages often seem cryptic with more than one meaning. 

Trophies posted:

 

 TE 4

Jimmy Graham

Mercedes Lewis

Jace Sternberger

Robert Tonyan

 

WR 5

Davante Adams

MVS

Geronimo Allison

ESB

Jake Kumerow

Agree with just about about everything but I think they keep J'mon Moore over Lewis.  Neither contributed much last season but I think they go with the upside.  And Lewis will be there in week 5 when they need an injury replacement.  I doubt Moore would make it through waivers (just based on draft position).