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Originally Posted by Pakrz:
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

He's flawed. Misses draft picks. Completely stubborn in his ways.

 

Not a GM I'd rather have in GB than Ted Thompson either. Not even close. Best there is. 

I'd say Mr. Schneider is kicking his ass up and down the street.  Drafting... FA's.  Not even close. 

i want to see where Schneider is after he cycles the roster a couple times through contract extensions and FA before I crown his ass. It's one thing to win early in your GM stint. How you navigate you're way over time is the test of being a great GM. What does Seattle look like after 2015 when Wilson, Thomas, Chancellor and Sherman account for almost 40% of the cap?

 

Im not going to deny he's drafted great. But Okung and Earl Thomas were top 14 picks. GB hasn't been in that region in a long while. Wagner was 2nd round. When that pick was taken Desmond Bishop hadn't torn his hammy off the bone yet. When Cam Chancellor was taken Nick Collins was priming himself for a long run of Pro Bowls. 

 

Schneider is good. Very good. But he's not kicking Teds ass at anything. Let's see where Seattle is in 5 years. Same goes for Balke. 

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Originally Posted by excalibur:
Originally Posted by Dr._Bob:

Excal.... if TT simply got lucky that Rodgers was available, then how was he able to predict it?  Luck suggests chance but TT was prepared for it because it wasn't simply chance.  Now if you're blaming him because he couldn't CONTROL who the other GMs picked, well that's just daft.  But he did expect Rodgers to be available and was prepared to pull the trigger.  Next time you selectively quote someone's post, at least make sure you include the important bits. 

He couldn't predict it, not from the standpoint of a team trading up ahead of the Packers and grabbing AR. There is no way TT could have foreseen such a thing happening, so he sat there in the hopes that AR would fall to him. Lucky for us that that happened. We would not be talking TT now had some team preempted him by trading up. Or are we to believe that no teams needed a QB? Nope, very lucky moment for all involved, TT, MM, fans.

 

And had AR been a failure I doubt TT would be bragging on himself playing Kreskin. TT also stands for toot-toot, as in blowing his own horn.

 

 

 

 

TT deserves all the credit for pulling the trigger on AR but he was also open to moving out of that spot for the right offer. In retrospect, it's pretty clear even he didn't realize how good he would become.

 

His draft and develop philosophy is sound and he's an excellent GM but fans need to be honest- he's overpaid for some pretty marginal talent, he can be slow to recognize a mistake and adjust and his drafting record of late on defense is mediocre, and that's being pretty generous.

Originally Posted by michiganjoe:

TT deserves all the credit for pulling the trigger on AR but he was also open to moving out of that spot for the right offer. In retrospect, it's pretty clear even he didn't realize how good he would become.

 

His draft and develop philosophy is sound and he's an excellent GM but fans need to be honest- he's overpaid for some pretty marginal talent, he can be slow to recognize a mistake and adjust and his drafting record of late on defense is mediocre, and that's being pretty generous.

I agree 100%. I also believe that the Packers organization is satisfied with the team the way it is. Team reached the 1st round of the playoffs for the last 3 years, if memory serves me well, lambeau is full for home games, merchandise sales are good, the league revenue share system is working well and the organization is financialy sound. The organization management is thinking, things are good. So the team does not make the Super Bowl, so what, we are solvent and can continue to exist into the future, we are getting our paychecks, so, where we are is where we are and we are happy with that. We will try to win it all but, hey, if we dont, we dont, sun is still coming up tomorrow.

Originally Posted by El-Ka-Bong:

I think another coach could get more out of the players Ted has assembled on the defensive side of the ball.  Not saying he's drafted perfect, just that I think another guy could get more. 

Who assembles those coaches? 

TT tooting his own horn?!?! Lol..... I have no idea where you read that but it's inaccurate.

I've seen some dum posts on x4, but that one is up there. Probably top 10.

would like to see Ted hold back on extending McCarthy. If this team has an early exit from the playoffs again and fails to jettison Capers, then MM is the one that needs to move on. Failing to use the whole field because of Sherman was not MMs finest moment as a coach. I would take Jordy on Sherman any game. Sherman is not Darrel Revis or Deion Sanders.

Originally Posted by Boris:
TT tooting his own horn?!?! Lol..... I have no idea where you read that but it's inaccurate.

I've seen some dum posts on x4, but that one is up there. Probably top 10.

No kidding. He may be the most humble man in the game.

I'm seeing a lot of spoiled fans in this thread. 2/3 of the NFL would kill for the GM and HC we have. They both have their flaws but at the end of the day the Packers consistently have a chance to play for the SB every year...that's not easy. There aren't many HC in NFL history that have multiple SBs in their career and McCarthy may not ever be one, but at least we have a chance every year. 2010 proved that even a team with a crazy amount of injuries and some flaws can still get hot at the right time and go on a run, so just because we have some holes doesn't mean this team is dead. That is because we have one of the best coaches in the NFL, the best QB in the NFL, and one of the best GMs in the NFL.

I give MM and TT all the credit in the world for 2010, but every team since has looked very much like the teams coached and GMed by Mike Sherman. And this team already has that same smell to it.

Originally Posted by Iowacheese:

Trade A-Rod right now while his value is at it's peek.

 

seasons over anyway

 

put in zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz the rest of the way and work towards....

 

Think Bill Cowher would come out of retirement to come coach the GBP?

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
I'm seeing a lot of spoiled fans in this thread. 2/3 of the NFL would kill for the GM and HC we have. They both have their flaws but at the end of the day the Packers consistently have a chance to play for the SB every year...that's not easy. There aren't many HC in NFL history that have multiple SBs in their career and McCarthy may not ever be one, but at least we have a chance every year. 2010 proved that even a team with a crazy amount of injuries and some flaws can still get hot at the right time and go on a run, so just because we have some holes doesn't mean this team is dead. That is because we have one of the best coaches in the NFL, the best QB in the NFL, and one of the best GMs in the NFL.

 

I still believe TT and MM are top of the league and agree with the philosophy.  The thing that bothers me is there is a level of stagnation occurring on both fronts.  The front office may be reeling from losing a lot of talent over the past few years and TT can't handle all the scouting/GM responsibilities.  TT's commitment to his approach is admirable and has solid results but it's possible he needs to be open to input on areas he's missing on.  The coaching staff is suffering from blind loyalty and a over conservative approach to development and implementation.  While TT may not be finding sure fire talent on every level I still truly believe the biggest breakdown is the utter failure of implementation and adapting to the skill sets that are available.  

 

There was an article this preseason about Perry, stating he has a talent for standing up in the face of blockers but wasn't necessarily as shifting for juking out a guy.  Christ, doesn't that sound like a skillset that may be better implemented on the line or ILB?  I'm not saying its even a great fit but it surely is an option.  Granted it's more shuffling and acclimating, which will lead to mistakes but isn't this the **** the coaches are supposed to be recognizing and implementing in TC?  It's this formula approach that is not nimble in the least.  Hell, they decide to try Bradford at ILB after preseason and even then he's likely just a bad fit across the board?

 

What concerns me isn't that there's mistakes but the Front Office/Coaching Staff have stopped learning from or are incapable of adapting and overcoming those mistakes.  

 

I don't want to see this team collectively suffer from Norv/Lovie syndrome.

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Originally Posted by Iowacheese:

       

Trade A-Rod right now while his value is at it's peek.

 

seasons over anyway

 

put in zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz the rest of the way and work towards....

 

Why am I not surprised you like that horrible uniform?

The common denominator in every argument is the Pack crapping the bed in so-called "big games".

This most recent game vs the Seahawks is perhaps the most shocking. They had more time to prepare than any of those other games, IIRC, then crapped the biggest turd yet.

Something needs to change, whether it's "crazy" or not.

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