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There was a lot of discussion about Bo Ryan a few years back. No one disputed how good he was as a coach. But there was a lot of discussion about the other half of college success- recruiting. He wasn't getting enough talent, and it sure didn't seem like he was trying. What was particularly fruistrating was the inability to land in-state talent (an no, not just Vander Blue). Then came the summers of 2010/2011/2012.

 

That's when they started assembling what has become the core of this team:

 

2010: Ben Brust, Josh Gasser- both considered 3 star recruits, but with Brust he de-committed to Iowa to Join UW. They persisted and found the program's all-time 3 point shooter and the only Badger to ever register a triple double (which Gasser did as a Freshman).

 

2011: George Marshall, Jarod Uthoff, Frank Kaminsky, and Traevon Jackson- From this class, Marshall and Uthoff left the program (2012 and 2013 respectively), but Jackson and Kaminsky were huge. Jackson has developed into the team's primary ball-handler and Kaminsky's star obviously couldn't be brighter. Jackson has been prone to up and down play, but there's no denying what he has meant to the team in the NCAA Tournament this season.

 

2012: Sam Dekker and Zak Showalter- Dekker is the 2012 BT Freshman of the year, has had a fine sophomore campaign, and is on his way to stardom. Showalter red-shirted his sophomore season (after playing some as a freshman), and figures in the plans going forward as a very athletic and high-energy defensive stalwart.

 

2013: Nigel Hayes, Bronson Koenig, Riley Deering, Vitto Brown, and Jordan Hill- Hayes is the BT 6th man of the year as a freshman, Koenig is the obvious heir apparent at PG (was lured to UW from UNC, who had also offered), and while Brown and Hill decided not to redshirt (playing time was limited for both) and Deering did redshirt, Ryan actually went out of his way tonight in the post-game to talk about how all of them are right there, just waiting for their opportunity. This whole class looks very promising, even beyond the obvious of Hayes and Koenig.

 

And this is what we were talking about. The recruitment of no-name, under the radar guys was OK- Ryan was great at developing them and winning. But it was never going to be enough to propel the program to the heights they're achieving now. They needed better and more accomplished athletes, they needed real talent to go further. And with these three classes, it represented a contrast from the early part of Ryan's tenure, where he didn't seem to recruit nearly as hard. Now he's out watching these kids play (Dekker, Koenig) and landing 5 star talents. He's seeing kids in Ohio like Brown and Hayes, who in the past were more likely to go to Xavier or Cincinnati or even Ohio State. He continues to farm Illinois (Kaminsky went to school right down the road from me) for diamonds in the 3 star category (Ethan Happ, a 2014 recruit from NW Illinois, looks an awful lot like Dekker with his style of play, maybe a better shooter). 

 

And this success should finally seal the deal with a few more. The Badgers are going to need to re-load, because they will lose Jackson, Kaminsky, and Gasser next year (Brust of course this year). On the list are Diamond Stone, a 6'10" kid from Dominican HS who is the #1 ranked C in the nation; and Jarvis Johnson, a 4 star PG from Minneapolis. If they continue to fill the pipeline with these kinds of kids, there is absolutely no reason this team cannot start a run of Final Fours (and more). We knew Bo could coach them- now he finally put it all together and got the players, too. And like we have seen from perennially successful programs like UNC, Duke, Kansas, etc., the success should breed more success.

 

This team has finally set the bar higher than just being competitive and winning in the Big Ten. The next few years should be a pretty good ride...

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Getting Dekker and Hayes was important because they are top notch recruits.  I also think when it's all said and done that Koenig might be one of their best PGs they've had.  He's extremely underrated IMO. 

All of this would not be possible though without Kaminsky.  He's the basketball equivalent of Jared Abbrederis or Jim Leonhard.   Somebody that came in that wasn't highly recruited but far exceeded expectations. 

UW has had some pretty highly recruited big men - ie Evan Anderson- but Frank is the anti-Anderson and that's great to see.

great post MC, the future (both near and far) certainly looks bright. I am 65, and this Wisconsin sport scene is something I never thought would happen. Packers 20 yrs of relevancy, Badger football the same and now buckets.

 

Who would have thought back in 85 or so that the Pack would have 2 more SB trophies and were in serious contention for more?  The Badger FB team  have won multiple Rose Bowls and are consistently a good team.  The Badger BB team in 2 final 4s in the last 15 yrs and getting better.

 

Thanks to Bob Harlen, TT, MM, Donna Shalala, Barry Alverez, Bo Ryan and all the others who have provided this lift to our lives.

 

On Wisconsin!   Oh, and lets get the Brewers and Bucks back on track. 

 

 

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2003- #3 C in the country, #67 PG (+Zach Morely)

2004- #7 C, #22 SF (#7 plays in the NBA)

2005- #8 SF, #17 PF

2006- #6 SG, #13 PG, #28 C

2007- #26 and 28 PF, #27 SF (#26 plays in the NBA)

2008- #15 C, #25 SG, #28 C, #30 PG

2009- #42 SG (brutal year for recruiting, Bruiser did contribute)

2010- #16 C, #32 PF, #41 SG (Brust- check out the two names before him when Bo decided to finally start to listen) #44 SG

2011- #22 PF (who bailed), #22 C, #34 PG (who transferred), Trea was unranked.

2012- #4 SF

2013- #27 SG, (Dearing, Brown and Hayes were unranked).

 

So, yeah, the premise of the lead post is pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty damn wrong. 

At a real high level, I really think the big thing is Kaminsky.

 

In fact, against Arizona, on offense no one else could consistently score.  As one example, outside of Kaminsky, Wisconsin had a hard time getting an open 3.  The other starters were a combined 9-31 (29%).

 

I wanted to mention one thing that really bothered me.  Now, Kaminsky finished the game 11-21 and Traevon Jackson 4-14.  I had an extremely hard time with Traevon taking the final shot in regulation and I tend to think he wanted the last shot and knew he was going to take it.

 

He should have at least made an attempt to get the ball to Kaminsky.

Originally Posted by CHEEZE:

I think they are pretty comfortable with Jackson at the end of game. I think he did what they wanted.

 

Agree and if you've ever heard Bo Ryan talk about bball philosophy, 1 of his main items is the PG, on both sides of the ball. He was a PG and believes the PG is "the guy", maybe not main scorer, but is the rudder of the boat. I don't think he had a problem with TJ taking that either.

If was me, in the last 10 seconds I would of had Frank ISO in the post on the same side as TJ/ball and then had Frank jump to the corner for an open 3 possible if the Center helped contain TJ's drive.

Originally Posted by El-Ka-Bong:

2003- #3 C in the country, #67 PG (+Zach Morely)

2004- #7 C, #22 SF (#7 plays in the NBA)

2005- #8 SF, #17 PF

2006- #6 SG, #13 PG, #28 C

2007- #26 and 28 PF, #27 SF (#26 plays in the NBA)

2008- #15 C, #25 SG, #28 C, #30 PG

2009- #42 SG (brutal year for recruiting, Bruiser did contribute)

2010- #16 C, #32 PF, #41 SG (Brust- check out the two names before him when Bo decided to finally start to listen) #44 SG

2011- #22 PF (who bailed), #22 C, #34 PG (who transferred), Trea was unranked.

2012- #4 SF

2013- #27 SG, (Dearing, Brown and Hayes were unranked).

 

So, yeah, the premise of the lead post is pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty damn wrong. 

I read through the post, El- I'll admit, I didn't research every previous recruiting class and I should have- I just didn't do it, I guess I was just being lazy. But after reading what you wrote, I figure3d I needed to do some of my own research to maybe understand why my perception was so off-base.

I don't know which source you were using, but I first  checked out the ESPN top 150. It only goes back to 2007, but here's what I found:

 

- 2007: Keaton Nankivil #83 and Jon Leuer #91

- 2008: none

- 2009: none

- 2010: none

- 2011: Jarrod Uthoff #90 (transferred)

- 2012: Sam Dekker #17

- 2013: Nigel Hayes #83

- 2014: none

 

So I jumped over to Rivals 150, and here are the top 150 rankings (which I think is more indicative of the level of recruit than positional rankings, though I understand your point in using them to compare to what was out there):

 

- 2003: Brian Butch, #9

- 2004: Greg Stiemsma #45

- 2005: Joe Krabbenhoft #23

- 2006: Trevon Hughes #58, Jason Bohannon #88

- 2007: Jon Leuer #82, Keaton Nankivil #92

- 2008: Jared Berggren #74, Jordan Taylor # 124

- 2009: Mike Brusewicz # 118, Diamond Taylor #129

- 2010: none

- 2011: Jarrod Uthoff #149

- 2012: Sam Dekker #13

- 2013: Bronson Koenig #73

- 2014: Ethan Happ #140

 

I should have researched it more, no question. Just poured out my perception but didn't back it up, as you showed. But a few things are interesting about the lists:

 

- ESPN only had 5 players ranked in their top 150 from 07-14, while Rivals had 10 in that time

- in the Rivals team rankings, the Badgers only appeared in the top 25 in 2006 

- of the 15 players listed in the Rivals 150 since 2003, there is 1 C, 10 Fs, and only 4 Gs

- 2 of the players on the Rivals list left the program before or after just 1 year (Uthoff and Taylor)

 

I think what has fed my perception is the lack of quality Gs- and in my memory, it was always G play that seemed to do them in when they would get bounced in the Tourney. It is interesting to note that for the first time in the Bo Ryan era, they have a 3 G starting lineup. IN the past, they have been F heavy- now they have a combo G (Gasser), a PG (Jackson), and a SG (Brust), with a freshman PG getting significant playing time. I don't think they've ever had this many quality Gs in their rotation.

 

My thought process is still the same, though- Ryan has to have changed his approach in the recent years, and that's where I get my "he listened" point of view. As you demonstrated, he has had good recruiting classes. But while he has gotten quality Fs pretty consistently, it's the G play that has seen the biggest improvement.

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