This exactly, THEY DIDN’T GET ONE PENALTY ALL GAME. 
Just one game, but energy and effort just weren’t there across the board. Tampa seemed to just want it and need it more and GB couldn’t match the intensity. I’d like to dismiss it as an isolated incident, but it’s starting to become a trend. Every game GB has lost over the last 2 years (all 5 of them LOL) has been because the team just can’t match their opponents energy. Seems like when they get behind on momentum they can’t build back up. In the past I’ve blamed it on lack of leadership, losing guys like Woodson, Bishop, Pickett, Raji, etc and not replacing them with vet leaders. I feel like this team has a decent group of vet leaders though with Z, Bakh, Amos, Adams, etc. yet they still can’t elevate their guys to get back in it. Kind of strange IMO. Need a force on defense like Woodson to put them over the top.
@The Crusher posted:I would say Tampa does. Just a hunch.
So lemme get this straight....The Packers have zero chance of getting there. Every other team in the NFC might as well just roll out the red carpet for Tampa, because it's a foregone conclusion.
Is that your stance today?
David and White looked like they were shot out of a cannon. Those two set the tone.
The Bucs played a near perfect game. They wanted to make a statement and did. The Packers need to learn from this and I think they will.
@PA green & gold posted:The issue isn’t GB penalties. The issue is Tampa wasn’t called for any! The most penalized team in the league.
There was at least 1 play that Tampa should have been penalized for, Bucs player was bear hugging a Pack defender plain as day. Bear hugging is as blatant a foul as you can get but the ref missed it.
The second Rodgers pick the defender was hitting and grabbing Davante Adams well before the ball got there. 80-90% of the time that’s a penalty.
@fightphoe93 posted:There was at least 1 play that Tampa should have been penalized for
Ummmm..........Yeah.
How about Rodgers getting smacked on the helmet no call. That's a flag 100 times out of 100.
It's quite obvious the refs were told by the league not to throw any flags on the Buccaneers. 0 penalties for the most penalized team in the league. Give me a f****** break.
Again this isn't the reason the Packers lost but you can see the League's narrative.
@The Heckler posted:... Watching Tampa's defense and how physical and aggressive they are made me wish we had a defense like that. it just seems like the Packers defense is a finesse defense that reacts to the other team instead of being physical and punch the other team in the mouth.
This.
When TB defenders would close in on the runner or receiver, they were bringing the wood with them. Lots of HARD hits yesterday, like drop-'em-in-their-tracks hard, and the play ended right there.
GB defenders close in and are diving at and swinging their arms at opposition's ankles, typically resulting in additional YAC. Or a whiff.
How many Super Bowl champions have lost by 28 and have a defensive coordinator as useless as Pettine? This is not a championship team. Fun though. We’ll win a lot of games. Enjoy the journey.
I'd rather enjoy our journey than be a Browns or, god forbid, a Vikings fan today.
On another note, I'm disappointed that ABM can't figure out a way to get to the QB somehow, someway. No Greene close to the LOS to add pressure. Rarely any stunts. And it seems like opposing OCs have got the guy figured out and know what our D is going to do before we do it.
@Tschmack posted:David and White looked like they were shot out of a cannon. Those two set the tone.
The Bucs played a near perfect game. They wanted to make a statement and did. The Packers need to learn from this and I think they will.
The Yucs did play a perfect game and the obviously had the perfect game plan in place. I am with you I think they will learn from this and I think we will see a different team next Sunday.
I hope we go back to what was working. It seemed like MLF outcoached himself a bit by stepping back to an old MM offense: little to no motion, four-step drops, longer-developing plays, WRs just go beat your guy, run between the tackles. If that was truly his gameplan, I hope he learned to stay true to his game and make the other team adjust to him and not try to outsmart the other guy.
That looks to me to be the biggest takeaway from yesterday.
Hows Bacteria? Any word?
I don't know how much you can adjust when your team was physically beaten less than schemed. We all thought they'd "learn" from the regular season SF loss too but after it happened again I guess it's "SF knows MLF's O too well". Which doesn't explain our D. Our O will continue to have problems vs. teams like TB that can rush 3 or 4 and drop 7, with really good LB's between. And speed all over. No amount of learning is going to make our guys stronger or faster or more athletic. I don't know how you fix that without replacement.
Yeah, we'll win a lot more games this year but we'll probably hit another NFC brick wall in January. NFC is pretty stacked this year.
The LBers in Tampa are good, really good. GB's defense would look a lot different if they would invest in legitimate MLBers.
I'm leaning more towards personnel as the problem than the DC.
@DH13 posted:I don't know how much you can adjust when your team was physically beaten less than schemed. We all thought they'd "learn" from the regular season SF loss too but after it happened again I guess it's "SF knows MLF's O too well". Which doesn't explain our D. Our O will continue to have problems vs. teams like TB that can rush 3 or 4 and drop 7, with really good LB's between. And speed all over. No amount of learning is going to make our guys stronger or faster or more athletic. I don't know how you fix that without replacement.
Yeah, we'll win a lot more games this year but we'll probably hit another NFC brick wall in January.
Waiting on someone like Khrys Barnes to be a difference-maker is not going to do it. It's no knock on him. He's an overachieving UDFA. They gambled that Kirksey was going to stay healthy.
@Goalline posted:How many Super Bowl champions have lost by 28 and have a defensive coordinator as useless as Pettine? This is not a championship team. Fun though. We’ll win a lot of games. Enjoy the journey.
I can remember a team getting smoked that badly and winning it all, the 1979 Steelers. They went on the road to face an excellent San Diego Chargers team and lost 35-7. I absolutely loved the Chargers in that era so I remember watching that game.
That all said, that Steelers D was way more talented than this Packers D so that was probably more fluky than the Pack’s loss yesterday was.
That was also the waning days of a 70's dynasty.
@DH13 posted:That was also the waning days of a 70's dynasty.
Just for the hell of it, I looked up the box score for that game. Terry Bradshaw had 5 INTs in that game. Dan Fouts, the winning QB was 11-24 with 2 INTs and that was running the most modern state of the art passing offense of that time. Definitely a quite different era than today.
@fightphoe93 posted:I can remember a team getting smoked that badly and winning it all, the 1979 Steelers. They went on the road to face an excellent San Diego Chargers team and lost 35-7. I absolutely loved the Chargers in that era so I remember watching that game.
That all said, that Steelers D was way more talented than this Packers D so that was probably more fluky than the Pack’s loss yesterday was.
Well, that gives me some hope.
Well, they did get A penalty...it was just offset by our intentional grounding.
Point stands though...no team improves that much in 1 week with regard to penalties.
Texans have one of the worst pass and run defenses in the league. If we don't bounce back this week, I'd be surprised.
@Boris posted:So lemme get this straight....The Packers have zero chance of getting there. Every other team in the NFC might as well just roll out the red carpet for Tampa, because it's a foregone conclusion.
Is that your stance today?
You asked me who has more talent. I said Tampa. I have no idea why I would come up with such a conclusion.
@H5 posted:
Yes. Jordan Love who was a turnover machine at a mid-major college is definitely the guy you wnt out there against an opportunistic defense.
Rodgers had a terrible 3 passes out of 5 pass streak yesterday. Even that wasn't a Kirk Cousins fest. The Pick-6 was a good play by the DB who just jumped the route, but it should have never been thrown. The tipped interception was not a bad throw, but it sounded like there was a formation problem that caused a lot of congestion in the middle. It would be interesting to see who lined up wrong. The pass to Lewis was off by about 3 feet on a 30 yard play. I thought Lewis would have had a better chance if he'd have run through the catch rather than put his arms out early, but he's a slow, blocking TE and Rodgers should have made a safer throw to a wide-open guy.
Other than that, the problems were that he was getting hammered, there was no running game, and receivers weren't getting any separation.
@Pakrz posted:The LBers in Tampa are good, really good. GB's defense would look a lot different if they would invest in legitimate MLBers.
I'm leaning more towards personnel as the problem than the DC.
Their middle linebacker is Devin White. He was the fifth overall pick in the draft in 2019. He's 6 foot, 240 pounds, and runs a 4.42.
Our middle linebacker yesterday was Krys Barnes. He's 6'1', 230 pounds, and runs a 4.79 40.
I love Barnes as a try-hard special teamer, not as an attempt to upgrade over a solid, but pedestrian, Martinez.
@The Crusher posted:You asked me who has more talent. I said Tampa. I have no idea why I would come up with such a conclusion.
Ok that's 1.
DO you have 6 MORE teams with the talent that are going to keep Green Bay out of the playoffs? 7 teams make the playoffs in the NFC
People take 1 regular season loss & really blow it way out of proportion.
I'll hang up & wait for an answer which we both know isn't coming;
The trouble is now for the second consecutive year, the Packers went up against a fast, hard hitting defense and melted. It was a rerun. They need to answer why. Do they have a little “dog” in them? Tampa’s D has a LOT of “dog” in them. So did San Francisco last year.
You have something happening that it’s really hard to deny. Come January, they better have an answer or a promising season will end abruptly... again.
The O did absolutely nothing in about 30 minutes of garbage time.
Cousins has earned a gazzillion dollars in garbage time. We could hardly get a first down.
just stopping in quick to see if the entire staff and team were fired.
no? good. next!
We didn’t have a decent backup option for Ervin yesterday. Shows what a difference a good slot receiver makes and Ervin is not elite. A decent player like Cole Beasley for example who’s playing now just adds another option. Who backs up Ervin?
@Tdog posted:just stopping in quick to see if the entire staff and team were fired.
no? good. next!
Some teams bring back a favorite old player for a one-day contract to let him retire with his old team.
The Packers should bring back Dom Capers on a one-day contract so they can fire him again.
I know changes were made to the scheme, or at least in positional responsibilities because P. Smith doesn't rush the QB this year (a so-called "Coverage LB").
It seems to me it's not working; defensive performance is much the same as it was last year. It certainly hasn't improved and has actually fubar'd what was a very good pass rush tandem. It hasn't benefitted Z. Smith, as well.
So.... can 'major' changes be made? Should they be?
If it's not feasible to change whatever the scheme is to what it was, can PS and Gary switch positions? Roles?
Or how else can we get both Smiths back into rushing the QB together?
@Packy posted:We didn’t have a decent backup option for Ervin yesterday. Shows what a difference a good slot receiver makes and Ervin is not elite. A decent player like Cole Beasley for example who’s playing now just adds another option. Who backs up Ervin?
Perhaps Deebo Samuel? We could have traded down from 12 since there were no impact players there and got him plus another player. But we got more potential than anyone.
This false narrative that Preston is only playing coverage is getting out of hand. He’s still rushing the passer.
Someone asked MiLF today about the "inexplicable passive nature of the defense", and Mr French said "It's something we'll take a good, hard look at going forward."
He sees it. We see it. He's not happy about it. We're not happy about it.
He can do something about it.
All we can do is bitch about it.
Hungry5, it was Nagler, per attached. And related: "Meanwhile, it’s clear that LaFleur was unhappy with his defense’s performance, and one can infer that he is displeased with defensive coordinator Mike Pettine’s game plan. At one point, he answered a question about why the Packers sat back in soft coverage on a third-and-two for the Buccaneers, a play where Tom Brady checked into a quick pass for one of the easiest third-down conversions possible. LaFleur didn’t pull any punches, and it’s hard not to read this as an indictment of Pettine’s approach: “That’s something that, to your point, we need to go back and re-evaluate what we’re trying to get done. We never want to give up easy layups to the offense. I want us to be aggressive and go up and challenge the offense.”
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