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Buncha spoiled brats.

Other than the Patriots, (maybe the Steelers) there isn't a single franchise that wouldn't trade their last 25 years for Green Bays. 

Everything. Ups, downs & everything that happened. 

And another thing that was never mentioned, Deflategate and Spygate.  The Pats, Bellicheat, Brady and Kraft are cheaters and everybody knows it.  They get the breaks on more calls than any other NFL team (Tuck Rule).  They are worse than the Denver teams of the '90s. 

Let's not forget the foot of Adam Vinatieri. If he pulls a Norwwod on one or more of his game winners, how many rings do they have? 

Between Atlanta blowing it, Seattle not running it, the tuck rule, and Adam's great kicks, they didn't exactly win because of Brady.

 

Through the years outside of the Steelers and Donkeys, Who else has NE had to challenge them in the AFC?  Pack had Bores,Queenies Loins, Pukes, Falcons, Saints, Panthers. Giants,49ers, & Seachickens,

MichiganPacker posted:

At the end of the regular season in 2011, the Packers were defending Super Bowl champions, were 15-1 and had won 26 of their last 27 games in which Rodgers had been able to finish (not counting the concussion that happened in the Lions 2010 game and the following week at New England). To extend that further, they had won 32 of the last 35 games Rodgers had finished going back to the middle of 2009. The three losses were at Pittsburgh by a point on the final play of the game in 2009, the Arizona playoff facemask OT loss, and the 19-14 loss to Kansas City. So, 3 losses in 35 games being outscored by a total of 6 points in regulation.

They were lining up in-their-primes Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, Randall Cobb, and Jermichael Finley and were unstoppable on offense. They scored over 30 points 11 times during the 2011 regular season and over 40 points SIX times.

In 2011, the Patriots had gone 7 years without winning a title (which would extend to a 9 year gap), had a 34 year old QB how wasn't very mobile even when he was younger, and it looked like their window had closed. They didn't capitalize on a 16-0 year and had lost to Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, and Jake Plummer QB'd teams in the playoffs. They had the 3 titles in the early 2000s (and lucked out to get one after winning the "tuck rule" game). but that looked to be it.

The run Belichick has gone on the last 7 years is the best coaching job in NFL history. In 2011, it was clear he was a better coach than MM, but not exponentially so., and if the 2011 Packers win the Super Bowl, MM is in the same conversation as BB at that point.

The difference is that BB adjusted and made another mini-dynasty. MM peaked in 2010-11 and has shown no ability to adjust to allow for a second act.

 

 

This is perfect evidence that Rodgers can go on another run. There were LOTS of folks ready to throw dirt on the grave of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. A decade of no Super Bowls. 

Packers fans- this is not a Packers epitaph. Aaron Rodgers is capable of another run. The Packers are. Maybe it’s with McCarthy, maybe it isn’t. But I don’t think for one damned second that you can count out Aaron Rodgers. Not with this team. He knows it’s his legacy as much at stake as anything. You watch... when this guy buckles down he’s the best to ever to it. The best thing to ever happen to Aaron Rodgers is for someone to say “You can’t do that.”

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Brainwashed Boris posted:

Buncha spoiled brats.

Other than the Patriots, (maybe the Steelers) there isn't a single franchise that wouldn't trade their last 25 years for Green Bays. 

Everything. Ups, downs & everything that happened. 

I couldn't agree more Boris.  Ask fans of almost any fan base and they all say that they would trade anything to have had our run in the last 25 years.  I live in an area where i am surrounded by Bengals, Browns, and Steelers fans and every single one of them says they wish they had a team to root for that has had the success we have had.   To me it has been a fun ride (that isn't over yet) and more often than not our team has been in the thick of things almost every year.  

Music,  I totally agree with Rodgers and the one thing this team has that is so hard to get is a sure fire HOF QB.  A guy that as long as he has the ball in his hands the team has a shot.  LIke you said if it is with MM or without him it really doesn't matter to me really because with talent like that you have a shot.  

 

Reload, win.  

The handful of continual butthurt bitches here will be the first ones to start bitching about a new GM or the next coach.  It has less to do with football and more to do with them.  

It's football, not life.  Here's to McVince and Rodgers going on a tear.  I don't care who the coach or QB is as long as they are doing their damndest.   If it doesn't pan out, call it a wash and move on.  I'm just enjoying the hell out of this defense, warts and all. 

Can't you say any team that didn't win multiple SBs with a HOF QB is a "dynasty that never was"? The Saints with Brees, the Colts with Peyton, the Dolphins with Marino, the Bills with Kelly, etc. You could also say it about franchises with HOF defenses like the 80's Bears, the 2000's Ravens, the 2012 Seahawks, etc. Unless you're planning to completely nuke the future of your franchise like Elway did with the Broncos then it's going to be insanely tough to win a SB. There are tons of teams in NFL history that SHOULD have gone on to be dynasties, but for whatever reasons didn't. The 5 major NFL dynasties, Lombaris Packers, BB Patriots, Noll’s Steelers, Walsh 49ers, and Johnson Cowboys, all had the perfect mixture of HOF coaches, HOF QBs, great personnel guys, and an great to HOF supporting cast of players...and they were able to keep all that intact. I think most SB teams are a victim of their own success with their coaching staffs getting raided, players getting injured or leaving on big contract, personnel guys move up, etc. That formula that won them a SB gets blown up for reasons that aren't anyone's fault. Yeah MM and TT should have done a better job filling out their staffs and the roster after both changed dramatically, but honestly it is what it is. I wish they could have won more, but it's hard to win a SB and save for a couple season without Rodgers and Mike Sherman's final year in there I've had fun watching this team since for the last 25 years. 

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Pikes Peak posted:

The fumble was a big play, no denying that but there was a whole quarter left, the game was tied.  No reason for a team to completely fall apart.  

Not to mention they hadn't scored yet. Yeah, it sure looked like it was going to be a TD drive when it was done but we know what kind of crap they tend to run when they get inside the 20 yard line. There was probably a 60-70% chance that was going to end in a FG and then it's back to Brady vs our defense. And we saw what they did after the fumble and beyond. 

I'm old enough to remember being excited about going 8-8 a couple of times in the 1980s. It's been a great 25 years.

The thing that has been frustrating (despite the overall success in what's approaching 3 decades) is that several times the Packers have lost chances because they done things to lose the games that shouldn't have happened.

If you go in and play a great game and lose, but the other guys are just as talented or more talented, then you tip your hat to them and you should still feel good. It sucked to lose to the Cowboys in 1993-1995, but those were games where the Packers went in, fought hard, and lost to great teams or at least got beat by great players. The 1997 Broncos were also stacked. The 1998 49ers loss (Jerry Rice fumbled!!) was on a play where a future HOF QB threw a TD to a future HOF WR (Young to TO). Losing to the Falcons in 2016 sucked, but the Falcons were clearly a better team. The Cards OT loss in 2015 (after the Rodgers-Janis Hail Mary's) also fit into that pattern. The Cards were clearly a better team at that point (given who we were starting at WR). Losing to the Rams when they were the Greatest Show on Turf (although it would have been nice for Favre not to throw 6 ints). Losing to the Michael Vick-Falcons when the Packers had lost numerous guys to injuries. Those all made sense, at least in retrospect.

The ones that hurt as a fan are ones where you can tell you have a better team and there is a preventable screwup that costs you. The type of games where if you replayed them 10 times, you probably win 9 of them. That's happened more often to GB in the last 15 years than it should have. Favre throwing two terrible OT interceptions to effectively end games against the Eagles and Giants (after 4th and 26 in one case). Letting Kaepernik run wild and not adjusting. The myriad of errors in the Seattle playoff game. Those are 4 games in the last 15 years that the Packers were the better team and should have won.

There were also the two games bracketing the Super Bowl win that we lost due to factors outside Green Bay's control. The blatant OT face mask on Rodgers in the 2009 playoffs was one. The death of Philbin's son in 2011 was the other.

I am pretty convinced the decision to trade out of the first round in 2017 to select King/Biegel will haunt this team for a long time. Tried to get too cute and didn’t just get the guy they needed. King does not appear to be an NFL player. NFL talent, but that don’t mean much in street clothes. Biegel washing out after 2 seasons says everything else...

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Music City posted:

The best thing to ever happen to Aaron Rodgers is for someone to say “You can’t do that.”

I thought that was part of Philbin's job, to McCarthy too. He had that influence previously... is he neutered this year?

Rodgers was excited to have Joe back, but maybe McCarthy knows what the future holds and has decided to ride this alone? Pittsburgh Macho does not need help with his offensive plans...

King is a talent for sure but that only helps if he’s healthy.  He’s basically a part-time player at this point.  But I’ve beaten that dead horse and won’t waste everyone’s time again. 

The article seems spot on and honestly reminds me a lot of the 1990s and 2000s Atlanta Braves.   Dominant team that won a championship but honestly should have won a few more.  

The 2014 Seattle playoff loss will forever haunt them for so many reasons.   This team has never recovered from that moment and their mediocre record over that span reflects it. 

Packiderm posted:

Through the years outside of the Steelers and Donkeys, Who else has NE had to challenge them in the AFC?  Pack had Bores,Queenies Loins, Pukes, Falcons, Saints, Panthers. Giants,49ers, & Seachickens,

Patriots have had to go through 2 HOF QB's

Colts - Manning
Steelers - Big Ben

Packers have had to go through 0.

Saints - Brees will be HOF but we haven't faced them in playoffs. 

 

 

 

 

Patriots had to go through HOF QBs in the playoffs in 4 out of 5 SB winning seasons: Warner (2001), Manning (2003), and Roethlisberger twice (2004, 2016). In 2014 they only had to go through Flacco, Luck, and Russ Wilson. It's not fair to say the Patriots haven't earned their SB wins, they've consistently beaten good teams. You can argue during the regular season they've benefited from a weak division that improved their record and playoff seed, but when they get in the playoffs they deliver. Brady is 11-6 vs. Manning, 7-2 vs. Big Ben.

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MichiganPacker posted:

I'm old enough to remember being excited about going 8-8 a couple of times in the 1980s. It's been a great 25 years.

 

True. Years of misery from 1973 until 1989, with the only highlights being three straight 8-8 seasons in the early 80's (we are just around the corner from being a winning team!) and one fluke season in 1989.  Back then, we were just hoping for a winning record and maybe someday making the playoffs.

Grave Digger posted:

Can't you say any team that didn't win multiple SBs with a HOF QB is a "dynasty that never was"? The Saints with Brees, the Colts with Peyton, the Dolphins with Marino, the Bills with Kelly, etc. You could also say it about franchises with HOF defenses like the 80's Bears, the 2000's Ravens, the 2012 Seahawks, etc. Unless you're planning to completely nuke the future of your franchise like Elway did with the Broncos then it's going to be insanely tough to win a SB. 

Not to mention the fact that I can't even recall anyone in GB claiming the beginning of a dynasty. maybe I'm mistaken but I think most fans of the game understand how hard it is to get back there for a sustained period. So Rodgers isn't Brady. Marino wasn't Montana either. I'll still take AR over anyone. First Packer qb I ever had complete faith in not turning the ball over. His skillset and knowledge rival the best to ever suit up. Just quit letting the play clock run out!

I remember lots of dynasty talk right here.  It was hard not to considering how they won 45.  Getting all those injured players back, etc.  And I don't think people saying that were that far off.  If not for a tragic accident and a series of epic blunders, they should have won 3 in 5 years.

So yeah.  I should have been a dynasty.  But it wasn't.  Didn't do it at crunch time.  That is one of BB's top 3 abilities as a HC, getting it done in crunch time.  He's had failures there but he's had more success.

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Patriots won their championships plain and simple.  This talk about If they shank a FG or blah, blah, blah is the same shit logic defending McVince as the greatest coach ever.  The Patriots didn't shank FG or choke at the least opportune time, they won.  That's what good teams with good coaches do.  I will never say Tom Brady is more talented than Rodgers but that makes those victories even more impressive.  If Belichek had Rodgers they'd have way more than 5 rings. 

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Looking back it’s hard to imagine they only won one title under Favre as well.  They probably could have won another one in 1995 and they really blew a golden opportunity in 1997.   Then there were the missed opportunities in 2003 (4th and 26) and 2007 (Giants ugh) and you see why the topic is relevant.  

Then there’s the last 10 years. 2009 they were rolling and got hosed against Arizona.  2011 it looked like everything lined up perfectly and they screwed the pooch (again) at home against the Giants.  We all know about the debacle in Seattle in 2014.   That game will live in infamy. 

Makes you wonder if BB was head coach how many more they win.  2?  3?  Very possible. 

Good news is they did get a couple in my lifetime but it’s natural to expect more. 

 

ammo posted:

The greatest dynasty that never was was the Vikings of late 70's -80's.  0-4 in Super Bowls.  That is all. 

Oh absolutely and they ware going to wipe the floor with the NFL this year.. Oh wait..

This topic really has me appreciating what the Patriots have done.  I hate that team but you have to give it to them for all they have accomplished.  But, I still say BB sold his soul to the devil.

 

DH13 posted:

I remember lots of dynasty talk right here.  It was hard not to considering how they won 45.  Getting all those injured players back, etc.  And I don't think people saying that were that far off.  If not for a tragic accident and a series of epic blunders, they should have won 3 in 5 years.

So yeah.  I should have been a dynasty.  But it wasn't.  Didn't do it at crunch time.  That is one of BB's top 3 abilities as a HC, getting it done in crunch time.  He's had failures there but he's had more success.

I think there should always be an expectation to win another, especially when you follow a SB with a 15-1 season. Losing Nick Collins may have been one of the biggest backbreakers in Packers history. He accounted for almost 30% of all takeaways the previous two years and our defense allowed passer ratings of 67 and 64 in '09 and '10. Without him in 2011 they allowed a PR of 79 with Peprah AND Burnett starting, who couldn't match Collins' production combined. To me Nick Collins is one of the most underrated Packers of all time, I think he's arguably TT's second best draft pick ever. 

Nick Collins - QB of the defense - making sure everybody lined up right & sticking his nose in there to blow up a run when needed.

Nick allowed the Joker (Woodson) to wreak havoc on opposing offenses. With guys like Raji & Clay getting the "sack" credit

Dom at his finest. 

BrainDed posted:
Packiderm posted:

Through the years outside of the Steelers and Donkeys, Who else has NE had to challenge them in the AFC?  Pack had Bores,Queenies Loins, Pukes, Falcons, Saints, Panthers. Giants,49ers, & Seachickens,

Patriots have had to go through 2 HOF QB's

Colts - Manning
Steelers - Big Ben

Packers have had to go through 0.

Saints - Brees will be HOF but we haven't faced them in playoffs. 

 

 

 

 

Steve Young? Troy Aikman?  Eli Manning? 

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